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Old 10-18-2012, 12:31 AM   #326
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

I don't really see him value betting worse. Bet/fold might not be bad though. If you check it seems like you can find a fold to that sizing.
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Old 10-18-2012, 03:01 AM   #327
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

Around half pot blocker bet-fold. Good againts fish that don't know how to turn hands into bluffs and you still get value from worse.
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Old 10-19-2012, 03:14 PM   #328
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

Thanks for replies, regarding last hand I actually put him on some draw / very weak hand OTT, so figured I don't get any value from worse + have to fold vs shove so figured a check-call line would be more profitable.

His sizing on the river is the main point here I guess, def not folding to 63% pot-bet, but this huge has to be flush I guess..?
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Old 10-20-2012, 08:44 AM   #329
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

My general read of fish is that they like to bet whenever you go bet then check OOP also that they do it very depolarized. Fold to Cbet and VPIP are also very usefull in this situation. How fast did het bet is another factor. Its also a bit of a gutfeeling IMO.

If you have no meaningfull stats I think its a call (you only need to be right 30 percent of the times). I like betfolding 1/3 pot waay more.
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Old 10-20-2012, 01:40 PM   #330
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

Weird spot vs a good reg from today... Spew or a good move that ran into a monster..?

PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $212.14
MP: $164.67
Hero (CO): $339.16
BTN: $96.50
SB: $336.57
BB: $337.62

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero has Q A

UTG raises to $6.00, fold, Hero calls $6.00, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($15.00, 2 players) J 9 5
UTG bets $10.02, Hero raises to $29.66, UTG calls $19.64

Turn: ($74.32, 2 players) J
UTG checks, Hero bets $42.05, UTG calls $42.05

River: ($158.42, 2 players) 2
UTG checks, Hero bets $261.45 and is all-in, UTG calls $134.43 and is all-in

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Old 10-22-2012, 12:35 PM   #331
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

that turn card is one of the worst to continue your bluf on

1. Hes not folding anything hes calling with OTF
2. You have no outs left vs his Jx
3. Now hes not shoving sets (now FH) OTT but CC with them making his range stronger

river I like if because you are repping a Flush and he can have almost no flushes because you have the A of hearts. You assume hes good so he could fold a ton of hands

Watched the results after I made the comment. Point 3 applies
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Old 10-29-2012, 07:15 PM   #332
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

2 hands from today...

Hand 1: Vs aggressive reg

PokerStars - €2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (CO): €236.47
BTN: €200.00
SB: €279.55
BB: €231.85
UTG: €431.95
MP: €200.00

SB posts SB €1.00, BB posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (€3.00) Hero has J 8

fold, fold, Hero raises to €4.40, fold, SB raises to €16.00, fold, Hero calls €11.60

Flop: (€34.00, 2 players) 9 A K
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (€34.00, 2 players) T
SB bets €22.00, Hero calls €22.00

River: (€78.00, 2 players) 8
SB bets €52.00, Hero raises to €198.47 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins €179.85

Villain tank-folded, I believe he mucked at least two-pair, maybe-maybe a set.

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Hand 2: Vs reg

PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $200.00
MP: $372.33
CO: $200.00
BTN: $316.36
SB: $220.39
Hero (BB): $203.00

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero has A K

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $4.20, fold, Hero raises to $16.39, BTN raises to $38.00, Hero raises to $68.61, BTN calls $30.61

Flop: ($138.22, 2 players) A 8 Q
Hero bets $134.39 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins $135.42

Villain runs on 25-19, 48% AFQ, 57% BU open, 8% 4bet after facing 3bet, 50/50 fold/shove to 5bet...

Very weird flop for me, wasn't sure what to do, but decided that shoving wouldn't be a big mistake so... What's the optimal play here? bet smallish? check to induce?
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:18 AM   #333
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

In J8s hand, what is your value range for shoveing on this river? And do you ever check back when you have flush draw in this spot on flop?

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Old 10-30-2012, 02:31 AM   #334
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

j8s is sutch a weird spot. i mean its so obvious that villain never has a flush there that you should be bluffing your whole range here cuz he literally never can call :S but then again you checked back the flop too so bleughhhhh
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Old 10-30-2012, 07:01 AM   #335
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

I think villain cbets flop with almost his entire range, except very weak or very strong hands.. Not so sure betting flop when he checks is the best play vs his range..
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Old 10-30-2012, 12:18 PM   #336
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

no i dont mean you should bet flop when checked to. however it kinda eliminates bth the nutstr8 and flushes from ur range meaning u re holding the best hand in ur range there
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:46 PM   #337
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

Couple of hands from crazy-Saturday....

Hand 1: Vs aggro-fish

PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (SB): $312.80
BB: $284.52
UTG: $328.01
MP: $254.51
CO: $234.15
BTN: $200.00

Hero posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to $10.00, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $29.00, fold, UTG calls $19.00

Flop: ($60.00, 2 players) J 6 2
Hero bets $34.94, UTG raises to $102.00, Hero calls $67.06

Turn: ($264.00, 2 players) A
Hero checks, UTG bets $104.00, Hero raises to $181.80 and is all-in, UTG calls $77.80

River: ($627.60, 2 players) K

Spoiler:


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Hand 2: Weird flop spot, all regs except CO

PokerStars - €2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: €227.79
Hero (SB): €342.01
BB: €284.12
UTG: €250.80
CO: €196.32

Hero posts SB €1.00, BB posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (€3.00) Hero has K A

UTG raises to €6.00, CO calls €6.00, BTN calls €6.00, Hero raises to €28.39, fold, UTG calls €22.39, CO calls €22.39, BTN calls €22.39

Flop: (€115.56, 4 players) Q K A
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets €24.00, fold, Hero raises to €313.62 and is all-in, fold, fold

Hero wins €161.41

Not sure what to do here, prob have best hand, don't really see how to extract equity from it if I cbet flop except from running into JT here and there.

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Hand 3+4: Vs passive fish

PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $224.30
BTN: $249.56
SB: $306.82
Hero (BB): $214.48
UTG: $625.21
MP: $426.80

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero has 2 A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $4.00, SB calls $3.00, Hero raises to $20.00, fold, SB calls $16.00

Flop: ($44.00, 2 players) 2 4 6
SB checks, Hero bets $23.47, SB calls $23.47

Turn: ($90.94, 2 players) A
SB checks, Hero bets $47.59, SB calls $47.59

River: ($186.12, 2 players) 4
SB checks, Hero bets $123.42 and is all-in, SB calls $123.42

Spoiler:


Not sure about river shove here on prob the worst card in the deck.

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PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $338.30
BB: $200.00
UTG: $363.71
Hero (MP): $290.47
CO: $287.62
BTN: $609.69

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero has J J

UTG raises to $6.00, Hero raises to $18.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $12.00

Flop: ($39.00, 2 players) 4 9 7
UTG checks, Hero bets $28.81, UTG calls $28.81

Turn: ($96.62, 2 players) T
UTG checks, Hero bets $61.10, UTG calls $61.10

River: ($218.82, 2 players) T
UTG bets $22.00, Hero raises to $182.56 and is all-in, UTG calls $160.56

Spoiler:


Kinda repeating spot, where fish donk smallish on river when board gets scary, so much value here for shoving....
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:01 AM   #338
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:45 AM   #339
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

Interesting spot vs a good reg at the 200nl deep tables.

Table just broke up after fish left, and me and the reg carried on our play to see who sits-out first

Played about 50 hands, until next hand, after which he left his seat.


PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $657.41
Hero (BB): $364.66

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00, SB posts ante $0.40, Hero posts ante $0.40

Pre Flop: ($3.80) Hero has 5 6

SB raises to $4.00, Hero raises to $18.00, SB calls $14.00

Flop: ($36.80, 2 players) 6 9 7
Hero bets $25.86, SB raises to $64.00, Hero calls $38.14

Turn: ($164.80, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, SB checks

River: ($164.80, 2 players) 5
Hero bets $93.50, SB calls $93.50

Spoiler:


Villain runs on 32-25, 37% AFQ, folded 2 of 7 to flop cbet, raised 0 of 7.
I kiinda expected to face a raise on this flop from him with current dynamics, flop and river are interesting spots IMO.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:28 AM   #340
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Villain runs on 32-25, 37% AFQ, folded 2 of 7 to flop cbet, raised 0 of 7.
I kiinda expected to face a raise on this flop from him with current dynamics, flop and river are interesting spots IMO.
were u check/folding turn or check/calling? i guess CRAI is also an option..
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:54 PM   #341
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j8s is sutch a weird spot. i mean its so obvious that villain never has a flush there that you should be bluffing your whole range here cuz he literally never can call :S but then again you checked back the flop too so bleughhhhh
Playing vs a compentent player that knows this, should be able to make a call then?
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:24 PM   #342
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

think villain just fkd up the whole hand by checking turn. rly rly bad check
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Old 11-12-2012, 07:06 PM   #343
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

Tough spot from today, Vs aggressive reg, and after a bit of aggressive dinamycs.

PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $452.35
MP: $79.19
CO: $872.28
BTN: $115.07
SB: $200.00
Hero (BB): $389.00

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero has A A

fold, fold, CO raises to $5.00, fold, fold, Hero raises to $19.00, CO calls $14.00

Flop: ($39.00, 2 players) 8 4 T
Hero bets $26.81, CO raises to $57.00, Hero calls $30.19

Turn: ($153.00, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($153.00, 2 players) 7


In vacuum in this depth and on this smallish sizing on wet board I would ussually go for a 3bet and shove turn, but here I figured my call will look super-weak, and that he'll bet most turns, and I would shove it happily vs his range.

As played, do we bet or check river (to induce a bluff from most of his missed range + some value bets by him), and if we bet, how do we react to a shove (Call/Fold)?
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Old 11-12-2012, 07:45 PM   #344
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Don't think a good player is betting the river in this spot after he checks turn and c/r flop. Looks like he has showdown value or is giving up so bet seems good, not sure on sizing though.

Any plans to start playing higher soon?
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Don't think a good player is betting the river in this spot after he checks turn and c/r flop. Looks like he has showdown value or is giving up so bet seems good, not sure on sizing though.

Any plans to start playing higher soon?
Trying to make 6k from 200NL before moving up to 400NL with 5 BI to burn... Have to make 2 winning months in November+December in order to pay my taxes and not get into a Bank-Roll tilt..

Currently on 2.5K winnings for November, hope it will continue the same..
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:53 PM   #346
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In vacuum in this depth and on this smallish sizing on wet board I would ussually go for a 3bet and shove turn, but here I figured my call will look super-weak, and that he'll bet most turns, and I would shove it happily vs his range.

As played, do we bet or check river (to induce a bluff from most of his missed range + some value bets by him), and if we bet, how do we react to a shove (Call/Fold)?
What about overbet shove the river OOP? Seems like you have a pretty laggy image and would be called by a fairly wide range.
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:57 PM   #347
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How much do you experience the attacks atm in your country? Just wonder how much your life if unfluenced because of it, since you never hear that in the news from a personal experience. Take care man.
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:40 PM   #348
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What about overbet shove the river OOP? Seems like you have a pretty laggy image and would be called by a fairly wide range.
Generally speaking I think his range by the river is somewhere around 70% air / 20% hands that are capable of hero-calling / 10% nuts ,

So over-bet shoving the river seems like a poor idea...
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How much do you experience the attacks atm in your country? Just wonder how much your life if unfluenced because of it, since you never hear that in the news from a personal experience. Take care man.
I live in Tel-Aviv, so missiles are less common around here... Prob something around 1 missile per day, and being the stupid-reasonable-f*ck I am, I'm not even stopping my grind when the alarm goes off...:}

My grandparents, who live in south of Israel, are having more troubles though (600 missiles were fired in 7 days, most of the dangerous ones were dropped-down by the missile-defence-system).

Generally speaking the people in Tel-Aviv didn't change their life-routine, at least the ones with no kids...
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Re: Being a 1000NL reg by the end of 2012 [STASIA42]

Funny hand from today:

PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $207.84
Hero (BB): $226.74
UTG: $211.55
MP: $200.00
CO: $439.28
BTN: $157.00

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero has A T

fold, fold, CO raises to $6.00, BTN calls $6.00, SB raises to $26.00, Hero raises to $53.00, fold, fold, SB calls $27.00

Flop: ($118.00, 2 players) 7 7 4
SB checks, Hero bets $29.20, SB calls $29.20

Turn: ($176.40, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets $144.54 and is all-in, SB calls $125.64 and is all-in

River: ($427.68, 2 players) 4

SB shows 5 6 (Straight, Seven High) (Pre 35%, Flop 50%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows A T (Two Pair, Sevens and Fours) (Pre 65%, Flop 50%, Turn 0%)
SB wins $424.88

Obv vs a fish..

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And is this really a cooler in 250bb deep..? Vs a 28-23 reg.

When they shove I obv think to myself 88/KK, but they do have so many nut-draws/combo-draws, that I can't see them not calling to see turn at least..

PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $524.56
UTG: $495.80
BTN: $435.77
Hero (SB): $627.70

Hero posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00, BB posts ante $0.40, UTG posts ante $0.40, BTN posts ante $0.40, Hero posts ante $0.40

Pre Flop: ($4.60) Hero has 7 7

UTG raises to $6.00, fold, Hero calls $5.00, fold

Flop: ($15.60, 2 players) 8 7 K
Hero checks, UTG bets $10.00, Hero raises to $35.12, UTG raises to $94.00, Hero raises to $221.82, UTG raises to $489.40 and is all-in, Hero calls $267.58

Turn: ($994.40, 2 players) 8

River: ($994.40, 2 players) 2

Hero shows 7 7 (Full House, Sevens full of Eights) (Pre 20%, Flop 9%, Turn 2%)
UTG shows K K (Full House, Kings full of Eights) (Pre 80%, Flop 91%, Turn 98%)
UTG wins $992.90
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