I like ch calling river. Hard for him to have a pair. That raised flop and checked back turn. I would give him one last chance to bet his air.

Forgat to post results for the hand... I went for a bet-call line, with bigger sizing because I figured It would look more bluffy and will have extra-dead-aggressive-money for him to take a shot with a shove, as he did, and turned out to be a rivered-straight

PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $452.35
MP: $79.19
CO: $872.28
BTN: $115.07
SB: $200.00
Hero (BB): $389.00

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero has A A

fold, fold, CO raises to $5.00, fold, fold, Hero raises to $19.00, CO calls $14.00

Flop: ($39.00, 2 players) 8 4 T
Hero bets $26.81, CO raises to $57.00, Hero calls $30.19

Turn: ($153.00, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($153.00, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $102.14, CO raises to $456.62, Hero calls $210.86 and is all-in

CO shows 5 6 (Straight, Eight High) (Pre 23%, Flop 24%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 77%, Flop 76%, Turn 82%)
CO wins $776.20

My idea for hand 1 is that his CR value-range should be mostly QQ/AQ, sometimes 44/A4. I think that after I flat, I look like AA/QQ/AQ/AK sometimes KK and JTs.

His check on the turn should be made with most of his value range and most of his bluff range (IMO...) and by betting turn I prob make all of his bluff range to fold, and most of his value range (that is weaker than me currently) to fold as well. Hands that crush me are prob gonna just flat and not CR, so don't see any value in betting turn, and prefer check turn to call a river-bet (think most of the hands that crush me would go for a river bet + big chunk of his bluffs) , and bet river if checked too, in order to take some value from A4/AQ/ weird KQ.

When facing a check-shove on river it's a gross spot.. I mean, don't think his 44/QQ goes for this line because it's really hard to see hands that I call with that are weaker (prob AK is the bottom of my calling range here, which includes AA, KK, QQ, JT) , so the river shove is kinda polarized towards straights/air/weaker hands than mine that turn themselves into a bluff.

It seems to me that his JT goes for another bet on the turn, and if not, then for a river bet.

Hand 2, as mentioned, he prob doesn't have KK in his range, so his value range here should be 33/99/K9, and it seems to me that 33/99 would go mostly for a flat on the flop because my range for betting there is kinda wide and weak, and pot is bigger than the standard (4 people in), and flop texture is sooo dry... I mean, CR in this spot (and he has high CR stat) seems more bluffy to me than for value (I'm folding there prob 90% of my bet-flop range), plus my blocker to 33 + runner-runner fd....

Plan was to commit suicide on any turn (might get him to fold K9 and anything that is not a set), and the fd on turn just gave me more equity..

Again, as in H1, the question here is his value/bluff ratio on the flop CR, e.g. is he really going for bluffs here in this spot, and would he carry on with them on turn after I flat flop...

Thanks for detailed response...

In both hands of "disagreement", I already accepted the criticism and think that AK hand should be a cbet+shove turn, and A2 hand def check-behind vs fish.

What happens in May...?

I would check back because of balance. I have ridiculous number of weak Ax and even Qx hands OTT that I am unable to bet fold to a single raise ( maybe I should, but feels really dirty to bet fold A2s OTF ). Because of this I would be checking back 60%-70% of the time here with weak tps and mps. To balance that out I check my super strong hands aswell.

My river betting range would be KQ/A4/A5/AQ/AK/QQ/KK/AA/JT. Yeah bet call AK it is nicely in the middle of the range . And maybe turn KJ/Qx into bluff if I was unable to fold them OTF. That way AK goes higher in my betting range. Easier to bet call

Thanks for replies guys, results are:

Hand 1:

PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $384.33
BB: $205.00
UTG: $468.74
MP: $360.97
CO: $592.40
Hero (BTN): $430.68

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00, SB posts ante $0.40, BB posts ante $0.40, UTG posts ante $0.40, MP posts ante $0.40, CO posts ante $0.40, Hero posts ante $0.40

Pre Flop: ($5.40) Hero has A K

fold, fold, CO raises to $6.00, Hero raises to $19.00, fold, fold, CO calls $13.00

Flop: ($43.40, 2 players) 4 Q A
CO checks, Hero bets $28.11, CO raises to $68.00, Hero calls $39.89

Turn: ($179.40, 2 players) K
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($179.40, 2 players) 5
CO checks, Hero bets $98.25, CO raises to $505.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $245.03 and is all-in

CO shows 3 2 (Straight, Five High) (Pre 36%, Flop 21%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows A K (Two Pair, Aces and Kings) (Pre 64%, Flop 79%, Turn 91%)
CO wins $863.16

I actually really like the way he played it, prob folding enough on the flop to make it at least BE move.

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Hand 2:

PokerStars - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $512.37
MP: $653.08
CO: $219.19
Hero (BTN): $315.80
SB: $535.35
BB: $473.91

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00, UTG posts ante $0.40, MP posts ante $0.40, CO posts ante $0.40, Hero posts ante $0.40, SB posts ante $0.40, BB posts ante $0.40

Pre Flop: ($5.40) Hero has A 3

UTG raises to $6.00, fold, fold, Hero calls $6.00, SB calls $5.00, BB calls $4.00

Flop: ($26.40, 4 players) 3 K 9
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $15.88, SB raises to $48.95, fold, fold, Hero calls $33.07

Turn: ($124.30, 2 players) 6
SB bets $74.00, Hero raises to $260.45 and is all-in, SB calls $186.45

River: ($645.20, 2 players) Q

SB shows 3 3 (Three of a Kind, Threes) (Pre 63%, Flop 96%, Turn 82%)
Hero shows A 3 (One Pair, Threes) (Pre 37%, Flop 4%, Turn 18%)
SB wins $642.40


Wasn't sure if I spazzed after previous hand, but still think it's a good move vs a good-thinking-aggressive-reg in vacuum (esp after hand 1 where he showed capability of CR light).

Been playing 500NL zoom lately, couple of interesting spots..

Hand 1:

PokerStars - $5 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $500.00
SB: $586.70
Hero (BB): $500.00
UTG: $500.00
MP: $1,213.12
CO: $371.89

SB posts SB $2.50, Hero posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: ($7.50) Hero has Q A

UTG raises to $12.50, MP calls $12.50, fold, fold, SB calls $10.00, Hero raises to $61.00, UTG calls $48.50, fold, SB calls $48.50

Flop: ($195.50, 3 players) T A 4
SB checks, Hero bets $104.05, UTG calls $104.05, fold

Turn: ($403.60, 2 players) K
Hero checks, UTG bets $334.95 and is all-in, Hero calls $334.95 and is all-in

UTG is very good, aggressive, loose reg, SB is fishy, pre+flop seems kinda standard IMO, thought about line on turn?

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Hand 2:

PokerStars - $5 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $500.00
SB: $796.11
BB: $505.81
UTG: $470.39
MP: $500.00
Hero (CO): $1,454.96

SB posts SB $2.50, BB posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: ($7.50) Hero has K T

fold, MP raises to $15.00, Hero calls $15.00, BTN calls $15.00, fold, fold

Flop: ($52.50, 3 players) 2 6 4
MP checks, Hero bets $31.58, fold, MP calls $31.58

Turn: ($115.66, 2 players) 4
MP checks, Hero bets $119.25, MP calls $119.25

River: ($354.16, 2 players) 8
MP checks, Hero bets $1,289.13 and is all-in, MP calls $334.17 and is all-in

Hero shows K T (Flush, King High) (Pre 32%, Flop 17%, Turn 25%)
MP shows J J (Two Pair, Jacks and Fours) (Pre 68%, Flop 83%, Turn 75%)
Hero wins $1,019.70

Vs not aggressive reg.

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Hand 3:

PokerStars - $5 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $652.42
SB: $576.35
Hero (BB): $500.00
UTG: $563.24
MP: $811.05
CO: $500.00

SB posts SB $2.50, Hero posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: ($7.50) Hero has 8 8

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $10.00, fold, Hero calls $5.00

Flop: ($22.50, 2 players) T 4 K
Hero checks, BTN bets $15.00, Hero raises to $47.95, BTN calls $32.95

Turn: ($118.40, 2 players) T
Hero bets $71.98, BTN calls $71.98

River: ($262.36, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets $195.00, Hero calls $195.00

Vs reg-fish, not aggressive, very loose. Thoughs on the hand?

AQ: i think once you get to that turn as played, checkcalling probably is much better than jamming yourself and given that ur description sounds like he s a guy capable of turning hands into bluffs i guess its fine, esp with the amount of equity you have there. HOWEVER with the fish in the hand i dont see te reg floating the flop too wide so i would still think you re behind his range here a bunch but not far enough to fold.

JJ: I like the sizings you took overall but the guy just looks like someone you shouldnt bluff much against, ever ? not sure if u had seen him be that stationy before tho so looking at the hand from a vacuum standpoint, the turn big bet lets you jam the river and gives you a bunch of fold equity a std bet likely wouldnt. the problem is that the 4 pairing the turn jsut wont fold out almost any of his flop checkcalling range. and i think ppl in general get a lot more sticky when the board pairs on the turn. so i think turn you re probly better off checking behind and overbetting rivers that improve you given txture and villain.

88: as on the flop our only options are checkfold and checkraise, i guess checkraise can have better expectation given that villain will cbet his entire range on this flop and despite him knowing we can be on a draw here a bunch he just cant continue with A9 and j8 and tons and tons of trash in his BTN opening range. turn is tricky... on the one hand we kinda have to bet or we will always lose vs his draws but on the other we re valueowning ourselves vs all of his Kx/ he can jam his draws on this turn and he could rep it pretty well too so i think we d have to betfold. again i can see the bet being better than a check but its very close (much more so than on the flop).
as played river is a check snapcall. given that villain wont even be valuebetting most of his Kx and would probly have jammed many Tx on the turn he has busted draws here easily often enough for us to snap that off. i think turn is the closest of all three decisions here.

h1 nd 2 look fine to me, h3 looks fine bcos ull c/f a decent amount of missed draws on such a runout and blakkman pretty much sums up my thoughts on why river is a call

all imo ofc, i dont play anywhere near the stakes you do

The AQ is fine imo, not sure how often you cbet any air 3 way on the flop so maybe you can check there.
Actually just saw sb was a fish so definitely not checking.

The 88 if you're saying this guy is bad loose passive won't adjust etc then yeah we can x/r this flop 88 but don't really see any reason to bet turn, not like he's folding anything and it's probably a good card for his range, unless you are semi valuebetting vs draws and planning to x/c a ton of rivers. to me even vs a fairly bad reg taking this line with 88 just seems super unbalanced and kinda bad.

But yeah play 100nl so take my opinions with a pinch of salt.

Think the first two are fine, but the 88 hand is spewy imo, but need stat's on the guy really.

Agree with most of what's written except the Over-Bet part... Without going too deep on my thought process on over-bets, it's more a "psychological tool" than a "math/poker" tool, ofc villain knows that the 4 on the turn is a blank to his check-calling range, and he knows that we know, and so on... generally speaking, people know and use "leverage sizings" on 3/4/5 bet pots, but rarely do they think about it in 2bet pots...

This.

Generally speaking if we understand that turn is a "blank" to most of villain/hero range, the question is whether we were ahead or behind on flop, which IMO is way-ahead.

Guy's stats are 29-22, 44% afq, 70% cbet flop from BU.

How about steal % from BU?

About 60%...

Funny hand from today, vs so-called-reg..

PokerStars - $5 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $512.74
SB: $744.60
BB: $1,562.04
UTG: $1,568.55
MP: $235.00
CO: $500.00

SB posts SB $2.50, BB posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: ($7.50) Hero has A K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $11.00, SB raises to $45.00, fold, Hero raises to $98.00, SB calls $53.00

Flop: ($201.00, 2 players) J K 6
SB checks, Hero bets $97.02, SB calls $97.02

Turn: ($395.04, 2 players) 4
SB checks, Hero bets $317.72 and is all-in, SB calls $317.72

River: ($1030.48, 2 players) K

I put his range as AQ/AJ/TT and rule out others. A/K of spades are out. Other flush combos should fold pre. Just like QJ/AT/KT/A4. AA/KK/AK 4bets. KQ/KJ folds or 4bet folds pre. All in all I think I am looking at AQ/AJ/TT close to 100% of the time. If he shows up with something else then boohoo. I want to shove for value and freeroll vs other AQ.

i think it really doesnt matter whether we jam or checksnap here. if we jam AJ/AQ folds some of the time. if we check, AQ/AJ checks back some of the time, TT gets it in in both scenarios obv. question is whether its bad if he checks back as he likely pays us off on all bricks

Main question here is what's his weak hand ratio, in the turn spot. It's varies hugley between types of players, but if we are looking at a loose-agg player, then usually a shove will make him to fold all of his air-hands, where a check can easily induce a bluff from at least 30% of his air+some-weird-draw range... I think by shoving we never have those here.

Two semi-weird river spots from today..

Hand 1: Vs easy to fold to a 3bet reg

PokerStars - $5 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $500.00
SB: $846.18
Hero (BB): $976.31
UTG: $230.77
MP: $948.89
CO: $1,314.90

SB posts SB $2.50, Hero posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: ($7.50) Hero has 7 9

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $10.00, fold, Hero raises to $41.00, BTN calls $31.00

Flop: ($84.50, 2 players) K T 6
Hero bets $54.47, BTN calls $54.47

Turn: ($193.44, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($193.44, 2 players) K
Hero checks, BTN bets $170.00, Hero raises to $880.84 and is all-in,



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Hand 2: Vs aggro fish

PokerStars - $5 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $907.61
Hero (SB): $1,341.76
BB: $515.70
UTG: $500.00
MP: $1,132.66
CO: $596.30

Hero posts SB $2.50, BB posts BB $5.00

Pre Flop: ($7.50) Hero has A A

fold, MP raises to $10.00, fold, fold, Hero raises to $45.00, fold, MP calls $35.00

Flop: ($95.00, 2 players) 8 2 3
Hero bets $64.38, MP calls $64.38

Turn: ($223.76, 2 players) A
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($223.76, 2 players) K
Hero checks, MP bets $152.50, Hero raises to $1,232.38 and is all-in, MP calls $870.78 and is all-in

hand1: wp. he s so ridiculously empty taking that line

hand2: i think i prefer an underbet on the turn vs a guy that is capable of spazz. as played... i guess a shove is best as any raise basically looks like spazz or nuts but when he decides to look u up u max ur value. just feels like u get more overall by underbetting turn

h1 is not wp lol.