Absolutely agree with tiltz. Turn reraise would be rly lol and u want to allow him to shovel money in there with his bluffs. Once he does I think a lot of value is to be had there even if he doesn't bet call all of his (2p/) set kinda hands.

Then again actually I m not sure he has aaaall that many bluffs on the turn after ur raise that will continue so his range actually is really strong and obv u re crushing that so given that u can click it back. But then again I he has sets and the occasional straight u can as well wait but deffo raise all bricky rivers and the ace is one of those imo (just like any (T J Q K 9)

K, tx a lot for input guys

Couple of hands from a 3 player deep table from Yesterday...

Hand 1: Vs LAGish Reg


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $913.40
SB: $995.20
Hero (BB): $816.80

SB posts SB $2.00, Hero posts BB $4.00, BTN posts ante $0.80, SB posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($8.40) Hero has A Q

BTN raises to $8.00, SB raises to $32.00, Hero raises to $80.00, fold, SB raises to $176.00, Hero calls $96.00

Flop: ($362.40, 2 players) Q 3 J
SB bets $96.00, Hero calls $96.00

Turn: ($554.40, 2 players) 9
SB bets $284.00, Hero raises to $544.00 and is all-in, SB calls $260.00

River: ($1642.40, 2 players) Q




Villain runs on 48-37, aggressive, 17% 4bet after RFI, doesn't fold to 3bet. Kinda happy with the way I played, and it seems to me just UL unless someone thinks differently..?


Hand 2: Vs the other reg, the solid type


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $1,099.59
SB: $1,791.28
Hero (BB): $841.41

SB posts SB $2.00, Hero posts BB $4.00, BTN posts ante $0.80, SB posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($8.40) Hero has 8 6

BTN raises to $8.00, fold, Hero raises to $36.00, BTN raises to $96.00, Hero calls $60.00

Flop: ($196.40, 2 players) 4 3 T
Hero checks, BTN bets $139.00, Hero calls $139.00

Turn: ($474.40, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets $197.00, Hero raises to $605.61 and is all-in, BTN calls $408.61

River: ($1685.62, 2 players) 2




Here I'm less happy with the way I played it It seems to me that I have enough odds + implied odds to flat turn, with the intention of shoving river on hits.


Hand 3: Vs same reg as hand 1


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $400.00
BTN: $813.81
Hero (SB): $1,172.27

Hero posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00, BB posts ante $0.80, BTN posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($8.40) Hero has 7 6

BTN raises to $12.00, Hero calls $10.00, fold

Flop: ($30.40, 2 players) Q 9 7
Hero checks, BTN bets $16.00, Hero raises to $48.34, BTN raises to $104.00, Hero calls $55.66

Turn: ($238.40, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN bets $152.00, Hero calls $152.00

River: ($542.40, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BTN bets $292.00, Hero calls $292.00



Not sure if I were TILTING or can I justify river call here..?

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PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $1,099.59
SB: $1,791.28
Hero (BB): $841.41

SB posts SB $2.00, Hero posts BB $4.00, BTN posts ante $0.80, SB posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($8.40) Hero has 8 6

BTN raises to $8.00, fold, Hero raises to $36.00, BTN raises to $96.00, Hero calls $60.00

Flop: ($196.40, 2 players) 4 3 T
Hero checks, BTN bets $139.00, Hero calls $139.00

Turn: ($474.40, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets $197.00, Hero raises to $605.61 and is all-in, BTN calls $408.61

River: ($1685.62, 2 players) 2



This one has some similarities with a hand i played that i have wanted to discuss with a good player.

http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1823291

I had dynamics with this guy and the chance of him 4-betting light was really high.
I float the flop with two overs and some backdoor outs IP i really see no other way to play it on the flop and preflop?
On the turn i have enough equity for a call again i think (can't calculate this shiat), but was thinking if a shove is better, as he will have alot of Ax hands that's gonna fold to a shove but beats me when i miss, and when the river bricks like it did, i don't know if i can bluff at it because he can have alot of hands that he willl check/call with? Maybe he's even check/calling with AA because he's a NL50 player that's not playing near optimal?

So generally the spot is like this:
We hit enough outs on the turn to call and we have pretty much FE, we still have good implied odds for a call, but if we miss we have to give up, is a turn shove better? Guess this hand is a little different from yours but.

[QUOTE=mattepatte;33913691] Tricky spot.. I think shoving turn is OK, not super, as played I'll prob call turn fold river... best play IMO is folding the flop

Couple of hands from yesterday and today, this time I will try to emphasise how do I tilt people Will focus on a good reg called Pmatt0 , good player, and a Canadian :P

He runs on 32-28, agg, 12% 3bet etc. Hands are in chronological order.


Hand 1: "Tilt - The Beginning"


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $400.00
SB: $425.80
BB: $956.16
UTG: $396.00
CO: $400.00

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has 7 6

fold, fold, Hero raises to $8.80, SB raises to $32.00, fold, Hero calls $23.20

Flop: ($68.00, 2 players) 8 4 5
SB bets $38.00, Hero calls $38.00

Turn: ($144.00, 2 players) J
SB bets $88.00, Hero raises to $330.00 and is all-in, SB calls $242.00

River: ($804.00, 2 players) 3




Hand 2: "Tilt - The making of"


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $166.00
CO: $212.92
BTN: $278.12
Hero (SB): $809.18
BB: $1,052.54
UTG: $481.58

Hero posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has A J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $12.00, BB raises to $34.00, Hero raises to $82.00, BB calls $48.00

Flop: ($164.00, 2 players) 9 8 4
Hero bets $99.94, BB calls $99.94

Turn: ($363.88, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $163.86, BB calls $163.86

River: ($691.60, 2 players) 3
Hero bets $463.38 and is all-in, fold

Hero shows A J (High Card, Ace)
Hero wins $688.80


Hand 3: "Tilt - Afterlife"


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $400.00
BTN: $430.50
SB: $464.90

SB posts SB $2.00, Hero posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has J Q

BTN raises to $8.00, fold, Hero raises to $32.00, BTN calls $24.00

Flop: ($66.00, 2 players) 5 7 5
Hero bets $41.99, BTN calls $41.99

Turn: ($149.98, 2 players) Q
Hero bets $88.05, BTN calls $88.05

River: ($326.08, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets $268.46 and is all-in, Hero calls $237.96 and is all-in



And some more smaller hands...

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Some I-Know-What-You-Have hands... first one vs a reg-fish


PokerStars - $6 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $820.58
UTG: $621.38
Hero (CO): $633.04
BTN: $600.00
SB: $336.00

SB posts SB $3.00, BB posts BB $6.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero has 5 3

UTG raises to $18.00, Hero raises to $51.00, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $33.00

Flop: ($111.00, 2 players) J 9 9
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($111.00, 2 players) 3
UTG bets $60.00, Hero calls $60.00

River: ($231.00, 2 players) 5
UTG bets $149.00, Hero calls $149.00




And second one vs a reg-lag,


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $520.39
MP: $607.63
CO: $461.91
BTN: $125.60
Hero (SB): $482.05
BB: $404.00

Hero posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has T T

fold, MP raises to $12.00, fold, fold, Hero calls $10.00, fold

Flop: ($28.00, 2 players) 2 6 6
Hero checks, MP bets $20.00, Hero raises to $61.37, MP raises to $120.00, Hero raises to $178.63, MP calls $58.63

Turn: ($385.26, 2 players) J
Hero checks, MP bets $201.00, Hero raises to $291.42 and is all-in, MP calls $90.42

River: ($968.10, 2 players) J



That's it for now, will make a big monthly summary, been a heck of a month..

What hands are these ? AQdx-xd/AJdx-xd/JJ-TT/9x ?

At lower limits all you have is a bluff catcher. Bluff catcher that I would call 100% of the time. Here lower Qx checks back a the turn. Ax checks back the river cause it is afraid of trips. Still never ever folding

TBH I never 4bet KQ in this spot. Still wondering which is more +EV ? Are you planning to float oop /cr some flops that you miss ? We cannot entirely rely on the SD value K-high has.

Rather not discuss my full range here, but it's much wider than what u wrote.


Even if it's only bluff catching I think he has tons of bluffs becuase I can't really rep a strong hand with the pre-flop action.


I'm gonna play poker OOP is so over-rated as a weak position...

How can you call flop & turn value bets ? As a bluff vs pocket pairs I would understand. Don't see worse Ax calling alot. Just because he has small some of the time these are value bets ? You have the ace of aswell. OTR he turns more pairs into bluff than calls a river shove ?

I call it value bets not because I'm stronger than him currently, but because he's gonna fold to river shove most of the time, and I get huge value from him calling flop+turn and folding river...

Love your playstyle! ;D

Two nice hands from not-so-nice long Saturday sess (finished after 5.5 hours +600$, expected was +6k )


Hand 1: Vs loose-no-so-good-reg


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $435.12
BTN: $629.56
SB: $978.38
Hero (BB): $738.44
UTG: $418.80
MP: $291.25

SB posts SB $2.00, Hero posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has K Q

UTG raises to $10.00, fold, CO calls $10.00, fold, SB raises to $44.00, Hero raises to $99.00, fold, fold, SB calls $55.00

Flop: ($218.00, 2 players) 8 2 9
SB checks, Hero bets $114.05, SB calls $114.05

Turn: ($446.10, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($446.10, 2 players) T
SB bets $765.33 and is all-in, Hero calls $525.39 and is all-in




Hand 2: Vs the Clawviper guy, is he crushing or just multi-tabling?


PokerStars - $10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $1,000.00
SB: $9,393.05
Hero (BB): $1,646.40
UTG: $430.00
CO: $1,451.08

SB posts SB $5.00, Hero posts BB $10.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has 3 4

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $30.00, Hero calls $20.00

Flop: ($60.00, 2 players) 6 A 5
SB bets $46.41, Hero raises to $135.97, SB calls $89.56

Turn: ($331.94, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero bets $240.12, SB calls $240.12

River: ($812.18, 2 players) 2
SB checks, Hero bets $1,240.31 and is all-in, SB calls $1,240.31

Your plan for the river (last hand) for every card except a deuce? Clubs, total blank, Ace?

Hi GL with your challenge, nice to read the HHs and thoughts. Pokerstars regs play pretty crazy it seems. Much more aggressive preflop especially, not been in a game where I can cold 4b KQ for value!

Hand 1
- How happy are you cbetting here? I'd be tempted to c/ back with equity and a bit of showdown value. Is this too weak? I just think we have so little fold equity when we bet.

Rather not discuss it here, but generally speaking, with my raise flop+bet turn range in this spot, I can easily check behind / bet 4 value / shove 4 value/bluff. Not so informative I guess..

Generally speaking, I think that when u r in a big pot with position, cbetting is kind of a MUST. In this spot I'm more than happy cbetting, because I def see lot's of folds by him+ if board comes brick-brick, I can always bet turn, shove river and mathematically make $$ from his folds on the way.

Your redline goes through the roof ?

Why are we 3betting 8-high vs some one who does not fold to 3bet and 4bets ****loads of hands? He folds too much on some later street ? I would 3bet absurd amount of high card hands plus pocket pairs but would call small suited connectors. Not a great bluff imo but good spot to widen your value range to lot of high card hands.

Probably a valid argument if 100bb deep.

nice thread sir, keep up the good work!

Not really, kinda breakeven+something small (prob 1/2 bb per 100 hands), think I'm pretty balanced in this aspect. Will upload monthly graph soon.

Exactly, we are 200bb deep here... plus, the guy doesn't 4bet too wide, so 3betting my hand is kind of a must. From the other hand, calling his 4bet OOP is def not a MUST

tyty :}

Being deep makes it worst in my eyes. I want people to fold when I 3bet scs. I think it is bad if I 3bet with 100bb someone OOP with 86s who never folds to 3bets. Twice as bad if it is 200bb deep. You count 86s as some super nutty hand post flop when it hits ? That allows you to get in 200bb deep always good post. Or you just own people deep and make them fold too much at some point ?

The flop & turn are again value bets cause villain folds so much one pair hands/missed draws by the river ?