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Old 11-03-2011, 08:58 PM   #101
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Re: BEATING DAMN MICROS!!! Thats a goal i believe..

Hand above really made me to stop for today, sick sick sick, i made a right call only knowing this idiot had underpair, nevermind in long term they all pay back anyway.

Just to say, 5 days since i restarted playing at NL5, doing on avrg 1k hands per day, can do more and will do at least 2k hands, so here is the graph for the past 5 days, first 2k hands still tilting, then wake myself up a bit, comment plz...

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BR +$164.02

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Old 11-03-2011, 09:30 PM   #102
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Here is a sreenshot by position, not so happy with BTN so far, but it's only 1k hands, soon as i get at least 5k hands from BTN i will see need to change something or not:

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Old 11-03-2011, 11:06 PM   #103
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Woah, your WTSD is ultra high, the normal is around 29-32. You seem to be getting to showdown too loose! But keep doing it if the money is coming from there $$, YII HAA!!
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:18 PM   #104
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Woah, your WTSD is ultra high, the normal is around 29-32. You seem to be getting to showdown too loose! But keep doing it if the money is coming from there $$, YII HAA!!
Yeah somehow i get value, or give value.. fishcalls lol .. Cheers!
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:09 AM   #105
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Op, you're running very good! I don't mean to put a downer on things here - but don't get too down if you breakeven for a few sessions. Winning out the of the BB is near impossible..Just remember variance works two ways


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Old 11-04-2011, 12:25 AM   #106
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Op, you're running very good! I don't mean to put a downer on things here - but don't get too down if you breakeven for a few sessions. Winning out the of the BB is near impossible..Just remember variance works two ways


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Old 11-04-2011, 12:38 PM   #107
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Weeeeeee

Just got $10 VIP stellar rewards bonus, sweet, + won another 2 bi last night, no poker today, maay be lazy late night session though.

BR update: +$183.05
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:03 AM   #108
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Your results from the BB are impressive. The BTN being negative is probably just some negative variance.
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Old 11-05-2011, 12:01 PM   #109
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Your results from the BB are impressive. The BTN being negative is probably just some negative variance.
Thanks m8, yeah probably variance, need more hands though
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Old 11-05-2011, 12:58 PM   #110
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How come u have such a big gap between VPIP and PRF?
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Old 11-05-2011, 01:38 PM   #111
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How come u have such a big gap between VPIP and PRF?
I am calling more on bb then 3betting, thats why, if u see PFR on BB it's actually means 3bet
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Old 11-05-2011, 02:19 PM   #112
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U should open more on a btn imho ;p
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Old 11-05-2011, 02:26 PM   #113
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U should open more on a btn imho ;p
it's not about openning from BTN, it's variance i think, only 1k hands though, this can change big like i think, and bb can go down btn can go up in example, etc, need like 50k hands overall to see..
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Old 11-06-2011, 01:46 AM   #114
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Nice hand though

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $6.03
MP: $2.93
CO: $5.00
BTN: $4.73
SB: $5.02
Hero (BB): $5.38

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has 5 5

fold, MP raises to $0.12, CO calls $0.12, BTN raises to $0.19, fold, Hero calls $0.14, MP calls $0.07, CO calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.78, 4 players) 5 4 5
Hero checks, MP bets $0.15, CO raises to $0.40, BTN raises to $0.65, Hero calls $0.65, fold, fold

Turn: ($2.63, 2 players) K
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.89 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.89

River: ($10.41, 2 players) 8

Hero shows 5 5 (Four of a Kind, Fives) (PreFlop 20%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
BTN shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Fives) (PreFlop 80%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $9.90
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Old 11-06-2011, 03:32 AM   #115
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Re: BEATING DAMN MICROS!!! Thats a goal i believe..

haha, what a dumb raise by the button! no one was gonna fold for an extra 7c, and you dont want AA 4 ways!!! nice flop for you though! i flopped quads Qs earlier, but didnt get paid much, because turn paired the board
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Old 11-06-2011, 01:38 PM   #116
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haha, what a dumb raise by the button! no one was gonna fold for an extra 7c, and you dont want AA 4 ways!!! nice flop for you though! i flopped quads Qs earlier, but didnt get paid much, because turn paired the board
Yeah i was laughing with his 3bet as well though, he really made me smile at the showdown, obviosly he told me to **** off and left the table himself
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Old 11-07-2011, 02:14 AM   #117
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Not much to update, only played like 1k hands over the weekend, here is few hands:

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $5.44
BTN: $4.93
SB: $5.02
BB: $5.62
Hero (UTG): $9.70

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has A Q

Hero raises to $0.15, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.55, fold, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.15, 2 players) 5 3 5
SB bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10

Turn: ($3.35, 2 players) A
SB checks, Hero bets $2.39, SB calls $2.39

River: ($8.13, 2 players) 8
SB checks, Hero bets $5.66 and is all-in, SB calls $0.98 and is all-in

Hero shows A Q (Flush, Ace High) (PreFlop 31%, Flop 41%, Turn 95%)
SB shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Fives) (PreFlop 69%, Flop 59%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins $9.61

...


PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
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BB: $1.32
Hero (UTG): $5.45
MP: $6.22
CO: $6.70
BTN: $4.02
SB: $3.74

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has 7 7

Hero raises to $0.15, fold, CO calls $0.15, fold, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60, 4 players) 2 2 8
SB bets $0.10, BB calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, CO raises to $2.65, fold, fold, fold

CO wins $0.96

I am sure he had something like A2 K2 Q2, all i know he is a massive fish calls with any this hands.

....

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
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BB: $2.96
UTG: $5.16
CO: $5.15
BTN: $5.87
Hero (SB): $5.08

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has A A

fold, CO raises to $0.17, fold, Hero raises to $0.55, fold, CO raises to $5.15 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.53 and is all-in

Flop: ($10.21, 2 players) T T 2

Turn: ($10.21, 2 players) 4

River: ($10.21, 2 players) 9

Hero shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Tens) (PreFlop 88%, Flop 94%, Turn 100%)
CO shows A K (One Pair, Tens) (PreFlop 12%, Flop 6%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $9.70

...

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $5.66
SB: $6.71
BB: $3.80
Hero (UTG): $6.91
CO: $6.57

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has K K

Hero raises to $0.15, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32, 2 players) J K T
BB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.82, 2 players) 3
BB bets $0.60, Hero raises to $6.01 and is all-in, BB calls $2.30 and is all-in

River: ($7.62, 2 players) 5

BB shows Q J (One Pair, Jacks) (PreFlop 13%, Flop 26%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (PreFlop 87%, Flop 74%, Turn 82%)
Hero wins $7.25
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:04 PM   #118
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Anyone still looking here? Discuss some hands please, i will update graph tomorrow.

Current BR: +$200.47

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $9.39
CO: $4.93
BTN: $2.93
Hero (SB): $4.95
BB: $3.02
UTG: $2.34

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has Q Q

fold, MP raises to $0.15, fold, BTN calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.55, fold, MP calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.70, 3 players) 3 J 5
Hero bets $1.25, MP raises to $8.84 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $3.15 and is all-in

Turn: ($10.50, 2 players) 8

River: ($10.50, 2 players) 2

Hero shows Q Q (One Pair, Queens) (PreFlop 72%, Flop 78%, Turn 89%)
MP shows A J (One Pair, Jacks) (PreFlop 28%, Flop 22%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins $9.98
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:05 PM   #119
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sqz more,post std
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:11 PM   #120
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what do u mean?
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:35 PM   #121
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Why do you post 90% winning hands? You should be posting hands you lost and asking for advice.

Looking at your position chart, you seem to not understand position very well.

20/18 utg, 20/16 otb. This tells me you are not opening your range on CO and Button when you have the huge advantage of position. You are also opening too wide utg even for 6-max.

UTG opening range should be in the area of 12% or:
22+,A8s+,KJs+,AJo+,KQo and NEVER open limping.

Button opening range should be in the area of 36-38%:
22+,A2s+,K3s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A2o+,K7o+,Q9 o+,J9o+,T9o

I am by no means a baller, but I have been using these ranges (and adjusting to the table) on merge for the past couple months with decent success.

And stop shoving 3x the pot instead of betting for value! I'd be willing to bet your getting alot of folds your not showing us.
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:55 PM   #122
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Why do you post 90% winning hands? You should be posting hands you lost and asking for advice.

Looking at your position chart, you seem to not understand position very well.

20/18 utg, 20/16 otb. This tells me you are not opening your range on CO and Button when you have the huge advantage of position. You are also opening too wide utg even for 6-max.

UTG opening range should be in the area of 12% or:
22+,A8s+,KJs+,AJo+,KQo and NEVER open limping.

Button opening range should be in the area of 36-38%:
22+,A2s+,K3s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A2o+,K7o+,Q9 o+,J9o+,T9o

I am by no means a baller, but I have been using these ranges (and adjusting to the table) on merge for the past couple months with decent success.

And stop shoving 3x the pot instead of betting for value! I'd be willing to bet your getting alot of folds your not showing us.
LOL! How can u say all this, when i got chart hands opening by position, about UTG yes +KJs + QJs, NO to A8s+ only ATs+, BTN exactly but K7s+ no K5s- ro K7o+ only KTo+, i am not that loose, what hands did i post that you are saying i am not understand the position? Also show me any limp i post here, i never limp in!!! About shoves 3bet i am not doing it, only did it few times with the fish i lost to before and 100% sure he calls(tilt it's called).

I still dont understand how can u say i opening too wide when my range actually is not wider then yours

"Looking at your position chart, you seem to not understand position very well."

- I do my friend, and better then you think. About losing hands, there is not much to post last 5k hands, because i am not losing any big to post. Plus if any hand is on my position is not means i will call with it it to a raise, for example UTG raises i fold AT on BTN and only play from BB with it. Anyway
when i need advice i post hands like this i posted before, tell me how would you play this better:

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $4.08
BB: $7.42
UTG: $4.98
Hero (CO): $11.35
BTN: $4.18

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has K A

UTG raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.45, fold, SB calls $0.43, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.10, 2 players) 4 K 5
SB checks, Hero bets $0.75, SB calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.60, 2 players) 9
SB bets $2.88 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.88

River: ($8.36, 2 players) 3

SB shows 3 4 (Two Pair, Fours and Threes) (PreFlop 39%, Flop 25%, Turn 11%)
Hero shows K A (One Pair, Kings) (PreFlop 61%, Flop 75%, Turn 89%)
SB wins $7.95

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Old 11-08-2011, 05:03 PM   #123
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OK i got 20 bi for NL10 now, but i will stay with NL5 for longer, didnt play weekend, hit like 2k hands till today, planning to play another 3k hands tonight, i will stay with NL5 till i get $400 = 40 bi to NL10, i hope i will do it this month, anyway is a must before christmas to me, here is the graph since restart 9 days ago, only 7k hands, i play 4-6 tables, most of the time 4.

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Don't hate, just trying to help. Open your mind a bit instead of loling at me.

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about UTG yes +KJs + QJs, NO to A8s+ only ATs+
Nothing wrong with that, but I don't understand how your utg stats are 20/18 then. If the above is your range, wouldn't it be 12/12.

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BTN exactly but K7s+ no K5s- ro K7o+ only KTo+, i am not that loose
Ranges aside, you should not think about your cards at all times when on the button. It is very opponent specific. If villains in the blinds are not defending I would open any 2 cards. If the villains are calling all your opens, I would tighten up. Stealing blinds over thousands of hands adds up. It's also real real easy to get away from junk hands.

If your not comfortable stealing, that is fine, but your UTG opening range and BUT opening range should be vastly different and based on the position chart you posted, they are not. Yes, 5k is a super small sample, but your actually wider utg than on the button. (utg pfr=18.36, but pfr=16.45)

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what hands did i post that you are saying i am not understand the position?
Non specifically. I am saying that based on your position stats. Your vpip should get higher by position like the example below. These are not concrete ranges, but an example.

utg 12/12
utg+1 16/14
CO 22/19
But 36/28 (These are my actual button stats @4-10NL over the last 15k hands with a bb/100 of 7.1)

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Also show me any limp i post here, i never limp in!
Nit picking, but your utg stats are 20/18 meaning you limped in 2% of the time. (That's 19 times in your 946 utg deals)

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I still dont understand how can u say i opening too wide when my range actually is not wider then yours
Again, your utg stats are 20/18 meaning your opening 18% of all hands utg.

That range in poker stove is: 22+,A8s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+. Perhaps the sample is so small, you just ran well utg to this point.

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Old 11-08-2011, 05:52 PM   #125
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Don't hate, just trying to help.



Nothing wrong with that, but I don't understand how your utg stats are 20/18 then. If the above is your range, wouldn't it be 12/12.



Ranges aside, you should not think about your cards at all times when on the button. It is very opponent specific. If villains in the blinds are not defending I would open any 2 cards. If the villains are calling all your opens, I would tighten up. Stealing blinds over thousands of hands adds up. It's also real real easy to get away from junk hands.

If your not comfortable stealing, that is fine, but your UTG opening range and BUT opening range should be vastly different and based on the position chart you posted, they are not. Yes, 5k is a super small sample, but your actually wider utg than on the button. (utg pfr=18.36, but pfr=16.45)



Non specifically. I am saying that based on your position stats. Your vpip should get higher by position like the example below. These are not concrete ranges, but an example.

utg 12/12
utg+1 16/14
CO 22/19
But 36/28 (These are my actual button stats @4-10NL over the last 15k hands with a bb/100 of 7.1)



Nit picking, but your utg stats are 20/18 meaning you limped in 2% of the time.



Again, your utg stats are 20/18 meaning your opening 18% of all hands utg.

That range in poker stove is: 22+,A8s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QTo+. Perhaps the sample is so small, you just ran well utg to this point.
I dont hate, just not right to say something which is wrong, i just checked is 19/17 right now, i would say it's a variance, why there is 2% diffrence god damn i dont know, but i never limp or may be i did like 2 hands by missclick, mayyy be, it's 2 hands over 1k hands, so defo something wrong. About stilling blinds with any 2 you are right i do this as well but only with really tight passive players.

About why UTG wider then BTN, think this way, 5k hands, may be there is many raises before i reach BTN, and fold more, can be.

"Again, your utg stats are 20/18 meaning your opening 18% of all hands utg." - Why dont you think it's a variance? Over 5k hands sample again, i got many times a hand to play with from UTG, this is also explains the diffrence between BTN at some point + like i said above, this is not a sample yet to talk about position really.

i dont play JT,AT,KT,QT from UTG simple, i know what i am doing.


and have a look again, how dramatically things can change in next 2k hands:

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So what u see actually i did limp 2 hands from UTG, probably a missclick like i said, also u see MP is less opening then UTG it does not mean i opening from UTG more then MP, so my UTG range is wider then MP, in this sample i can only say it's variance, or say CO position really looks like UTG by numbers, but may be i fold more to a raise, say if in my range on CO KTo hand, it means i fold it to a raise from UTG or MP, you will never say exactly what hand ranges player plays looking on this numbers, it's depends what other players doing as well and variance.
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