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08-28-2023 , 05:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by larry the legend
You said you had higher level thinking players who would bluff into any weakness at all.
The higher than that level thinking player would be checking all his good hands vs these players and bluff with more of the bad ones. .


Hand 1. 3b. Check the turn too.
Hand 2. Turn fold. Thats a almost pot size bet and you are like 5 to 1 against making your hand. When the onliner does come in you rarely get paid.
Hand 3 Fold flop. If she is straightforward what does an old lady donk betting a psb on the flop mean? AK is the worst hand i would expect her to donk this much with
Thank you for the opinions. I agree with all of them. I am pretty embarrassed at hand 3. What a big glaring mistake at the table! You are correct at ranging the lady's donking range here as crushing my range.
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08-28-2023 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
14.1 JJ

I'm either/or preflop, really depends on how wide we think he's opening, but I might lean to a 3bet preflop (although I don't think a flat is horrible). I also bet turn. I read spoiler, and I just think we have to check (to induce against busted hands) and call here.
I mean, he's never checking QQ+ on this drawy flop multiway, so he's just FOS a bunch.

-I havent been 3 betting JJ out of the blinds much. Consensus is that i should be 3 betting here. Happened a few times over last few sessions and it will be corrected.

14.2 88

Man your game plays so differently than mine with reasonable sized raises getting things HU in position. I think I would prefer a bet on the flop. We charge draws. Our hand could be good but is extremely vulnerable and we're going to hate most turn cards. Slight chance we actually get better to fold. I'd more check KK here. I'm ok with a turn call (could be good, have OESD, could perhaps rep backdoor flush). Think I just check back the river (we have showdown value, repping the flopped flush draw makes no sense).

At the time I was thinking small hand small pot. I did not want to bloat the pot where I had some show down equity. I would be any Ax for value here and charge draws, bluff some flush draws. There isnt much for medium strength hands where I would check here. I thought TT-88 would fit the bill

14.3 KQhh

I probably nit fold the flop against an ABC old lady. I probably check back the turn and evaluate whether a river bet is in order if checked to again; obviously easy fold to the check/raise. Older players show up with preflop monsters in limped / non-3bet pots all the time, so just exit ASAP postflop as soon as ABC ones voluntarily drive the action.

GcluelessNLnoobG
- This hand I played terribly. Why did I bet turn? I thought her checking turn was a sense of weakness but I have no fold equity here. the C raise was all I needed to fold. YOu make a good argument for folding flop. What hands is she betting that I beat? This is a hand I want to take back and play differently.
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08-28-2023 , 10:20 PM
Session 15. 9 hours . Up a buyin.

Started out today playing very poorly. Was in a mood not to get pushed around. After losing this first hand I took a walk and got my head screwed back on straight and played much much better. I tightened up and thought about each decision, taking the time to plan the hands out. I felt much more in control. I did a lot of hand reading in between hands and put in some good reads about what opponents were playing. Table changed after a bit due to table tightening up with no action and several short stacks. New table had several thinking players and a aggressive bad younger reg and few recs who loved to limp. I played lots with the loose Vil (Hand 2 and 3) and was put in good spots. I did not play them perfectly but felt I had an edge at the new table. I am glad I was able to shake off early poor play and then grind my way back to profit through patience and good play. Now some hands:


Hand 1 (shame!) i know this is a clear fold especially after getting min raised pre flop by older guy.

Vil is older gentleman. Not being too active, conservative in nature, haven’t seen any bluffs in a hour that he’s been at table.

$215 effective. Hero covers

Hero in Highjack raises TT to $15. Vil on button raises to $30 (min raise). Hero calls?
Pot $60

Flop: 952 Hero checks. Vil bets $30. hero calls.

Pot $120

Turn 8. Hero checks. Vil bets $50 Hero calls. . Can easily fold here. or flop.

Pot $220.

River: 9. Hero checks. Vil bets AI $125. Hero calls. Vil has QQ. I lose.


Hand 2. - missed value?

Loose Vil raises to 10 in MP. hero button JJ calls. - I need to 3 bet this! Vil is loose and bad and I want to get in big pots in position with him.
Pot $23
Flop QJ2
Vil checks. hero bets $10. Vil calls. (Should size this up to $15 given how strong my hand to get value)

Pot $43

Turn K. C. Hero 30. Vil check raises to $70. Hero calls?

Pot $185.

River 2. No flush. Vil checks. Hero bets $200. Vil tanks for a long time and folds. Yells at me for not trying to get value for my hand asks if I have 99 or 88?

Got greedy and shouldn’t have bet so large. $100?

Hand 3:

Same Vil as hand number 2. Vil has been limping some very weak hands. Saw 45o, T7s. Plan to isolate and get involved with my stronger range in position. Really regretting not 3 betting jacks for value in hand 1. Vil busted vs AA getting money in on turn. He didn’t show his hand.

$300 effective.

Vil limps MP. Hero button Q T raise to $15. Vil calls.
Pot $34
Flop: 9 7 6 Vil leads $20. No need to slow play this one. Hero raises to $60. Vil calls instantly.
Pot $154.
Turn: 9. Vil leads $70. Hero?

Spoiler:
Hero goes AI . Vil turbo calls 97. I don’t hit the 8 and I lose.
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08-29-2023 , 11:36 AM
15.1 TT

I think it's ~ok calling the 3bet since his hand is so face up and we're getting ~14:1 due to the lol minraise. The SPR will be ~3 so we're going to stack him on T high flops most times, although there will be times we don't on ATx flops where he has KK-, or he whiffs AKs, and of course we'll also lose some of the time with sets too. But I think it's ~ok... so long as we learn to fold postflop (I think flop is a sigh fold, but turn/river calldowns were really bad against this player type, imo).

15.2 JJ

With no one else in the pot, us already on the Button, no other dead money, etc., I'm more fine with a flat here than most (depending on stack sizes) but I'm more passive like that preflop. Stack sizes will determine a lot of my betting sizes, but I think I'd be sizing up on the flop to build as big as pot as possible as quickly as possible. And again stack sizes really determine how I react to this turn check/raise (the smaller they are the more I'm fine going busto here, the larger they are the more I'm playing cautiously). I'm fine with the large river bet given his action, and again depending on stacks I might overbet shove; he's going to have a hard time getting away from straights / two pear (which is kinda what he is repping on the turn).

15.3

I'm fine with preflop. SPR is about 8 and against a lose villain I think we are probably fine attempting to play for stacks, so I would plan to make solid flop/turn bets to setup a river shove on a clean runout. So I'm cool with flop play. Ug spot on the turn. I think I just call and evaluate what happens on the river. Although with only 1/2 PSB left if we call, I actually can get behind a shove-and-live-with-results.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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08-29-2023 , 04:21 PM
Hand 1. Call the preflop for that small. These old guys once they minraise its QQ plus and occasionally AKs that they wont bet often when it misses. You can fold out flop or make one call if you have ever seen him bet without top pair. Once he bets turn again its a trivial fold. Hand reading. You had him pegged perfectly and knew he did not bluff in an hour. Go with your hand reading it is the most important skill you have at the table other than your image.

Hand 2. 3b loose villains as much as possible in position with a better linear range. Do not go polar with these guys until they start folding to 3bs. River I like $75. Player this loose might call with second pair. And think he rarely ever folds top pair to that price.

Hand 3. I like the flop raise vs this player. Generally Im just calling vs tight players. Call the turn, no raise. I think river is a nit fold for me even against a guy this loose pre. I think you beat like a few smaller flushes 45, 43, 52, 42 and that is it once he jams. The only other hands I see a guy like this jamming are AA and KK and QQ but you used your hand reading to exclude those hands.


Nice job staying patient and booking a win. Im on a 17 session win streak and not a single session have I not been down moeny to start the session. Last session I got down $500 in a 1/2 game losing a stack QQ vs KK when I should have folded to a 60 yr old newish to the table 3b, instead called, saw a flop without an A or K he instajams and I snap like an idiot because SPR, pot odds, solver says, blah blah blah. Shoud have folded QQ to the 3b after seeing him play and that is a popluation fold for me usually before seeing him, but dont trust your hand and population readis and pay the price. then having guys at top of their range tank three minute before calling a couple of largeish bluffs. Ended up getting it all back plus $150. The longer you sit at a table and hand read every hand, the easier it becomes to figure out what everyone is playing. A lot of times I will watch the players in the action as Im already sure what they hold mostly, but want to see what they act like. If you are sitting at a table and make a couple hand reading mistakes no big deal. you hopefully werent involved in the pot anyways when you made the mistakes. The best population read is if someone comes in fun and drunk to the table or fun and loud, assume he is loose as hell pre, you need to 3b and 4b moreÂ…..but also then these player types rarely ever stack off without a big hand. If you are sitting at a table and have no idea what anyone holds and are only playing your cards like you seemed to slightly be when you first started posting, that is the time to get up and call it a session. It seems like you are improving and learning some lessons.

Me and GG and anyone else posting should help you out. But everyone has a different style. GG has a unique profitable system based on low SPR, low stack depths etc. Solver guys focus on being unexploitable and hard to range and profit from that. I like games that are loose playing 500bb deep and focus on hand reading, my image and population reads. And usually when I make a mistake, its because of one of those three things went wrong. Either I wasnt hand reading properly and missed some combos, did not consider my image, or ignored a population read when I had no other info.

Cliff notes: you are improving, not many guys who post in here have put up 15 sessions with hand questions so quickly. You are doing the two most important things you can. Playing a lot and posting hands that gave you problems in game.
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08-29-2023 , 09:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by larry the legend
Hand 1. Call the preflop for that small. These old guys once they minraise its QQ plus and occasionally AKs that they wont bet often when it misses. You can fold out flop or make one call if you have ever seen him bet without top pair. Once he bets turn again its a trivial fold. Hand reading. You had him pegged perfectly and knew he did not bluff in an hour. Go with your hand reading it is the most important skill you have at the table other than your image.

Hand 2. 3b loose villains as much as possible in position with a better linear range. Do not go polar with these guys until they start folding to 3bs. River I like $75. Player this loose might call with second pair. And think he rarely ever folds top pair to that price.

Hand 3. I like the flop raise vs this player. Generally Im just calling vs tight players. Call the turn, no raise. I think river is a nit fold for me even against a guy this loose pre. I think you beat like a few smaller flushes 45, 43, 52, 42 and that is it once he jams. The only other hands I see a guy like this jamming are AA and KK and QQ but you used your hand reading to exclude those hands.


Nice job staying patient and booking a win. Im on a 17 session win streak and not a single session have I not been down moeny to start the session. Last session I got down $500 in a 1/2 game losing a stack QQ vs KK when I should have folded to a 60 yr old newish to the table 3b, instead called, saw a flop without an A or K he instajams and I snap like an idiot because SPR, pot odds, solver says, blah blah blah. Shoud have folded QQ to the 3b after seeing him play and that is a popluation fold for me usually before seeing him, but dont trust your hand and population readis and pay the price. then having guys at top of their range tank three minute before calling a couple of largeish bluffs. Ended up getting it all back plus $150. The longer you sit at a table and hand read every hand, the easier it becomes to figure out what everyone is playing. A lot of times I will watch the players in the action as Im already sure what they hold mostly, but want to see what they act like. If you are sitting at a table and make a couple hand reading mistakes no big deal. you hopefully werent involved in the pot anyways when you made the mistakes. The best population read is if someone comes in fun and drunk to the table or fun and loud, assume he is loose as hell pre, you need to 3b and 4b moreÂ…..but also then these player types rarely ever stack off without a big hand. If you are sitting at a table and have no idea what anyone holds and are only playing your cards like you seemed to slightly be when you first started posting, that is the time to get up and call it a session. It seems like you are improving and learning some lessons.

Me and GG and anyone else posting should help you out. But everyone has a different style. GG has a unique profitable system based on low SPR, low stack depths etc. Solver guys focus on being unexploitable and hard to range and profit from that. I like games that are loose playing 500bb deep and focus on hand reading, my image and population reads. And usually when I make a mistake, its because of one of those three things went wrong. Either I wasnt hand reading properly and missed some combos, did not consider my image, or ignored a population read when I had no other info.

Cliff notes: you are improving, not many guys who post in here have put up 15 sessions with hand questions so quickly. You are doing the two most important things you can. Playing a lot and posting hands that gave you problems in game.
I appreciate you and GG taking the time to critique my play. It is very helpful!

I am still beating the game this year, but I am hoping for a better win rate with improvement. The good news is I see plenty of hands to improve on, especially the ones posted. I do need to do more hand reading and combo work, I have a few workbooks to work through by Splitsuit in that regard. Right now I am focusing on hand reading at the table, basic poker strategy (my 3 betting needs work) and playing a proper tight range preflop. Over time I will continue to improve! As for a style, I am still finding mine.
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08-29-2023 , 10:40 PM
Session 16. 4.5 hours. A win! 1/3 NL

Shorter session today, I did not get to play until later and it cut my time short. However I made use of my time in a productive manner. I found myself on a good table where I was comfortable with how the players were playing, my image, and how to best make money at the table. The table had several recreational players who loved to limp. i raised lots of hands in position especially the button and highjack. This resulted in lots of hands being taken down preflop, or on the flop.

I was not able to be a loose as I wanted to play due to the short stack. A couple of players were at 100-200 stacks and a raise would make an undesirable spr with many situations and lower my fold equity should i get called. I am happy with my taking the time to make a plan preflop of how I thought things would go to make future actions easier. I have not always taken the time to do this and I need to in the future to play my A game.

Onto some hands.

Hand 1:

Vil is a middle aged guy who hasnt been too out of line. A recreational player. $165 effective. hero covers.

Hero opens T T to $10. Looser high jack calls. Button raises to $55 with $105 behind. Hero?

Results:
Spoiler:
Hero folds. This is near the cusp of where I would want to commit AI preflop. I think I would commit preflop with QQ+ AQs+ Thoughts?



Hand 2:

SB is a loose recreational player who is on second buyin $60. Big Blind is a older guy who is new to table He normally plays 2/5 NL. He has $250. Hero covers. Hero has a good tight image if not a little aggressive.
SB $60.
BB $250

3 players limp. Hero button K Q raise to $20. Small blind and Big blind call.

Pot $60.

Flop K Q 7
Small blind checks. Big Blind Leads $50. Hero?

Spoiler:
This is a good spot to be in. Big blind has a flush draw, combo draw, Kx, two pair and rarely a set here. With this raise size I dont think Vil is folding here. I am committed against SB no matter what he has. I decide best to raise.

Hero raises to $200. SB calls AI. BB goes AI. SB has K J Big Blind has A A I did not put Vil on Aces here. Seems suicide to not 3 bet pre here in blinds. Hero wins pot.


Hand 3:

6 handed. Vil is a regular who can play solid or gambly depending on mood He is studied and plays lots of poker. Today he is thinking. Other Vil is tilting from losing 3 buyins and is very loose.

$200 effective. hero covers.

Solid reg UTG $12. Hero BB call J J . Tilting Vil calls BB. I feel like I need to 3 bet this but I want to keep tilting Vil in BB. Im trying to balance being OOP also. If i raise I feel like Ill get 4 bet quite a bit from the UTG player both as a bluff and value. I did not want to 3 bet and be forced with a all in preflop.
Pot $36

Flop: Q 8 2
Hero checks. BB blinds. UTG bets $20. Hero calls. BB calls.

Pot $96

Turn 2 Hero checks. Big Blind leads $80. UTG folds. Hero folds?
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08-29-2023 , 11:20 PM
Hand 1. Good fold. You can comfortably fold JJ and AQs as well vs old guy 5.5x 3b. And Id population fold everything but KK and AA. It sucks to pick up a top 5% hand and fold, but 95% of the time when these old guys make a massive preflop 3b its KK or AA and nothing else.

Hand 2. Id go a little smaller pre because of stack sizes. Id jam flop instead of leaving $50 back, but I think it all works out in the end.

Hand 3. What is his range from UTG? Does his frequency of opens change based on his position? How aggressive is he postflop? With only the brief description you gave I lean towards 3b. The only thing that gives pause is him being UTG and opening. If I have ever seen him UTG open with KJs or 77 or anything worse than that, I am 3b this every time vs this player. As played Im folding the flop. BB is still to act behind us and we are going to be in a terrible spot the rest of the hand as well. This guy is the type to put some hard decisions on you, especially OOP. Unless he triple barrels vs any check, Say sinora to the $10 and focus more on future hands in position vs this player.
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08-30-2023 , 01:00 PM
16.1 TT

Against a rec who isn't getting out of line, I would fold here pretty easily to the 3bet as we're mostly crushed versus flipping (and rarely crushing ourselves). I would probably even fold AQs here (as we're like never up against AJ-). But heavily dependent on reads, especially at this short stack size which some can go nutso with.

16.2 KQdd

I'm ok with preflop. SPR is 4 and we've got top two on a drawy board, so we're committed; if he has 77 or a tricky KK/QQ, nice hand sir / cooler. I would just ship the flop at this stack depth facing this size bet.

16.3 JJ

I'm perfectly fine with preflop. If there was a crapload of callers then much more reason to risk a squeeze, but with no other dead money, facing a solid player EP open, and fine with inviting a moran along, I'm cool with flatting here. With the moran in the hand there is less incentive for the UTG to cbet air, so I think we could make a nitty fold on the flop (although I don't hate a call/evaluate). I'm giving up on the turn to this action.

Nice job on taking the time to plan your hand from preflop. One of my a-ha moments was PNLHE (likely an outdated book, one that introduced SPR, whatever, I got a lot of good ideas out of it), where the key point was to plan our hand from preflop and that preflop was intrinsically linked to postflop (which is especially true in games where stacks are on the smaller side and we'll be facing handcuffing commitment decisions ASAP postflop a lot). Put yourself in good spots preflop (however you feel is best to do that) and that's half the battle right there.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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09-01-2023 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

Nice job on taking the time to plan your hand from preflop. One of my a-ha moments was PNLHE (likely an outdated book, one that introduced SPR, whatever, I got a lot of good ideas out of it), where the key point was to plan our hand from preflop and that preflop was intrinsically linked to postflop (which is especially true in games where stacks are on the smaller side and we'll be facing handcuffing commitment decisions ASAP postflop a lot). Put yourself in good spots preflop (however you feel is best to do that) and that's half the battle right there.

GcluelessNLnoobG


I love the concept of SPR. Very important in cash games especially when shallow stacks. Ill have to add PNLHE to a re-read and brush up on Stack to Pot ratio and other concepts. I am continually humbled by how much there is to learn about poker
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09-01-2023 , 11:04 PM
Session 17

Session went ok, lost under a buyin today. Made a blunder with a set and had a good chance to make some money but i logic - ed my way to making the minimum. Table was very good. Decent action. I did lots and lots of folding. Had only one premium pair (QQ) and one other pair. (22) I did have a blunder or two to share and learn from as always. See hands below:



Newer to table. Table seems to play ABC post and looser / stationy lumpy pre flop.

Hand 1 1/3 $300 effective with button. $183 small blind.

older guy limp button. older guy SB calls. hero checks A6 debated on stealing here with a suited ace.
pot $9

k 4 2. small blind checks. Hero bets $10. button calls. Sb check raises to $30. Hero calls? button folds.

Pot $79 - I take a stab here with decent equity and get a call and raised. Stack sizes were a bit awkward. Get it in here? The check raise should be fairly strong here by older guy in blinds. If i called i thought button would come along and help out odds

Turn: 7. Small blind goes AI for $150. Hero folds.


Hand 2 1/3NL $300 Effective

.Vil in this hand has been barreling almost every hand to weakness.

Hero UTG QQ $15. 3 calls including vil in big blind.
Pot $60
flop:
k73 rainbow.

checks around.
Pot $60

Turn: 8 two hearts on board. sb checks. big blind bets $15. Hero calls. SB calls.

Pot $105.

River 7. SB checks. BB bets $65. Hero calls? SB folds.

Big Blind mucks. hero wins pot.


Hand 3: $300 effective 1/3 NL

Get money in on flop? Hate the limped pots here.

Vil is loose pre but haven’t seen him bluff post flop.

3 limps. hero limps 22 . BB checks. (5 players).
Pot $15
Flop T 9 2

4 checks. Hero bets $15. 3 folds. limper check raises me to $45. hero? Hero calls. ranged him here on T9, 92, T2, TT, 99, i dont think many QJ type hands would check raise. Same with just Tx

Pot $105

Turn: 9 . check/ i check not a great card.

River: 3. He checks. I bet $50.

Spoiler:
He shows T2o and folds.
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09-03-2023 , 01:06 PM
Session 18. 6 hours 1/3 NL

Played very patient today. Stole the blinds a few times. Didn’t win any large hands, just kept around even. Had a couple of spots to think about though. See below:


Hand 1: $400 effective1/3 NL

Loose action gamble table.
2 limps. Hero J J raise to 20. I pick up 4 callers.

Pot $100. SPR under 4

Flop 7 5 4. 3 checks. Hero knows button behind him is betting 100% so i check. Button bets $50. One player calls. 2 folds. Hero?

Results:
Spoiler:
( Hero nit folds. Turn is a 7 and both players get AI TT vs 76o) Given how wide the players were I felt this is a bad board for me. I didn’t think I wanted to put my stack in here given I hate almost every turn card. I could never call here Its shove or fold. Too nitty? I am not worried about facing over pairs here. In retrospect I think this is a shove and ride the variance train? )


Hand 2: $300 Effective

Table looser pre flop lots of recreational players and regulars. Vil is middle aged guy, just sat down no real reads.

Hero 88 EP raise to $10. 4 callers.

Pot $50

Flop 8 5 4

check. Hero bets $35. late position limper calls. rest fold.

Pot $120

Turn Q

Hero bets $70.

Results:
Spoiler:
Vil folds and says he had 86o. Sizing to try and make it easy to get it in on a decent river card here.



Hand 3:

Vil is a 40’s male thinks about the game. Doesn’t limp often. Tighter. Can fold. Hero has good image.$400 effective

Hero opens UTG $10. 55 Vil on button 3 bets to $25. folds to me who calls.

Pot $53.

Flop 89T. Hero checks. Vil bets $25. Feels like an auto C bet. Debate on raising here or calling and then C raise turn.

Results:
Spoiler:
Hero folds . My hand has very little equity here. Felt like a good spot at the time to bluff but let it go.
.
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09-03-2023 , 01:41 PM
Session 18.

Hand 1 is close to a call on the flop. Don’t hate the fold after the other player calls. Turn is a bad card and folding comfortably to any bet there.

Hand 2. Looks fine. If you know Vs are folding top pair to 2/3ish sizing then I would size down on the turn to $55 or 1/2 pot to see where he starts calling down. With no previous knowledge he is kind of nitty, think the hand is played fine.

Hand 3. Fold that preflop all day long until the LJ. Sounds like the type of villain who folds to aggression. I would be check raising him frequently. His small three bet sizing though it is tough to know how wide he is and could have all the sets and all the QJs. If you call flop he should be checking a lot of turns unless he is really nutted. So I think this is a CR flop to $85 or fold flop hand. I prefer fold without having a better read on his range.
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09-05-2023 , 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by larry the legend
Session 18.

Hand 1 is close to a call on the flop. Don’t hate the fold after the other player calls. Turn is a bad card and folding comfortably to any bet there.

Hand 2. Looks fine. If you know Vs are folding top pair to 2/3ish sizing then I would size down on the turn to $55 or 1/2 pot to see where he starts calling down. With no previous knowledge he is kind of nitty, think the hand is played fine.

Hand 3. Fold that preflop all day long until the LJ. Sounds like the type of villain who folds to aggression. I would be check raising him frequently. His small three bet sizing though it is tough to know how wide he is and could have all the sets and all the QJs. If you call flop he should be checking a lot of turns unless he is really nutted. So I think this is a CR flop to $85 or fold flop hand. I prefer fold without having a better read on his range.

Hand 1 was tough for me. Seems really nitty to fold an overpair. But I am working hard on thinking hands through and seeing other options in addition to future streets. Thanks for the opinions.


I see the vil in hand 3 often in the poker room. I'm sure this situation will come up again where i have opportunity to check raise if he is raising wide preflop from the button.
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09-05-2023 , 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8877Bruno
Hand 1 was tough for me. Seems really nitty to fold an overpair. But I am working hard on thinking hands through and seeing other options in addition to future streets. Thanks for the opinions.


I see the vil in hand 3 often in the poker room. I'm sure this situation will come up again where i have opportunity to check raise if he is raising wide preflop from the button.
Hand 1 is such a meh EV spot no matter what you do on the flop. Some people subscribe to the grab every last bit of EV you can theory that if its probably +0.5bb EV to call off your stack you should do it. I prefer less variance as its almost like flipping a coin at best to make such a play. Because really you dont know if that JJ hand is -50.0 EV or +0.5 EV if you barely know the players. So folding on the flop is at worst a minor mistake. And you can still be a huge winner at 1/3 if you avoid making any major mistakes.
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09-05-2023 , 09:52 PM
session 19 6 hours

Had another swingy session. I got buried early, down two buyins in the first hour of play. Managed to pick up some medium pots and get back to even. Got involved with another large stack at the table and get paid with middle set, putting me up for the day. (see hand 3). As always I tried to play tight but aggressive and think through spots while planning ahead. Table had some good action and I had a good image through this session. Several players commented how *tight* I was playing. Which gave me green light to do some more aggressive plays like check raising obvious C betting spots, play draws strongly etc that allowed me to get away with more fold equity than I should have actually had.



Hand 1: 1/3 NL $300 effective

Vil is a looser older male. Seems to play hands fast including draws. He splits his limping and raising range. Hero has a tight image.

Vil limps mid position $3. SB calls. Hero checks Big Blind QdTs.

Flop: Q T 9

SB checks. Hero leads $10 for value. Vil in MP raises to $25. SB folds. Hero calls? I range vil here some Qx (KQ,QJ) two pair, QT, Q9, T9, sets TT,99. Straights KJ, J8, some Jx with flush draw, some AK. Debated on Getting money in here. Is that correct? I had a hard time getting another raise in as there are many straights in range here that crush my hand. I need to run my hand vs range i gave. I should know these numbers for future spots.

Pot $59

Turn: A . Hero checks? Vil bets $30. hero calls.

Pot $119

River: 7. Hero checks. Vil checks.

Results:
Spoiler:
MHIG vs Q9o. I feel like i missed lots of value here.




Hand 2: 1/3 NL $300 effective

Table is very limp happy.

two limps. Hero raises to $20 button A J. big blind call. Both limpers call.

Pot $80

Flop; Q T. 8. All check I didn’t think i Had much fold equity here with a draw heavy board.

Turn: 4. Loose big blind leads $20. One limper call. Hero calls? Considered raising here felt like a feeler bet.

Pot $140.

River: 2 2 checks. Hero? good bluff spot here?

Results:
Spoiler:
I check. Big blind has JTo and rest of us muck.



Hand 3: 1/3 NL.

$670 effective with pro. Vil 2: Short stack (vil from hand 1 has $200)
Table is short handed and going through changing players. 6 handed.

Vil is a middle aged white guy. He is talking about how he is a traveling Pro, playing in big circuit events.

1 limp mp . Vil 2 limps MP. Pro in SB raises to $20. Hero BB TT calls. One limper folds. Vil 2 calls.

Pros range here is fairly tight raising OOP. He hasn’t gotten too out of line. Debated on 3 bet here but given how deep stacks are and the stronger range I held off in position.
Pot $63

Flop: J T 2

Vil leads $30. Hero calls?. Limper calls.

Little dangerous calling here with some potential straight draws, AK, KQ, Q9. But I don’t know if Vil will commit over pairs on this board if he is that strong. Of course I lose to JJ but I am way up in value range here. I plan on raising turn and getting some money in pot so we can play for stacks on river.

Pot $150.

Turn: 5. SB leads $85. Hero raises to $200. Short stack calls AI. SB raises AI. He looks uncomfortable. I call.

Results:
Spoiler:
limper has 22 for bottom set. Pro SB has QQ.
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09-05-2023 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
Hand 1 is such a meh EV spot no matter what you do on the flop. Some people subscribe to the grab every last bit of EV you can theory that if its probably +0.5bb EV to call off your stack you should do it. I prefer less variance as its almost like flipping a coin at best to make such a play. Because really you dont know if that JJ hand is -50.0 EV or +0.5 EV if you barely know the players. So folding on the flop is at worst a minor mistake. And you can still be a huge winner at 1/3 if you avoid making any major mistakes.

The JJ felt like a very close spot no matter what I did.

I am all for making the most expected value plays that I can. But I am ok with passing on small small edges due to the effects on my mental game. Its not worth the tiny EV if it puts me out of balance and increases my variance like you note above.
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09-05-2023 , 10:09 PM
Hand 1. Playing out of position is tough. Once he raises you and you have him ranged like that you can either take the high variance or low variance play. Not sure Im ever 3b the flop with all the KJ and 99 out there. I think you can donk fold for $80 on the river as an exploit at these stakes because almost no one will raise you without the nuts who is over 50 years old on the river. And you are calling almost any bet under 125 and he is checking back hands like this.

Hand 2. Your tight image might get you through with a turn raise occasionally, but the flop check after being the preflop raiser, not sure you ever do that with any sets or two pair on such a wet board. And the 4 on the turn makes no sense as a card that helps you. So what hand are you representing with a flop check and turn raise? I think most villains are going to look you up if you raise there. Id go bet, bet, bet if my image was really nitty or play it like you did.

Hand 3. Think you played it well. If you raise the flop and the short stack jams QQ is folding out. I probably 3b that vs most players but you had a nice read on his range and played it better than I would have vs an unknown.


Where are the hands that got you stuck two buyins in an hour?
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09-09-2023 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend


Where are the hands that got you stuck two buyins in an hour?

Here is the hand. Other buyin was missing sets, raising PF and missing and getting led into a few times.

Vil is a older male that is wealthy. He loves to gamble. he is waiting for a seat at a bigger game.

This is heros first hand at table.

$300 Eff. 1/3 NL

Hero UTG A A

Hero limps. Vil raises to $15 EP. Yg on button calls. Hero back raises to $65. Vil calls button folds. - I know limping is not normal here with AA utg. I looked at the vils and knew I was going to be raised 75% plus. I should have raised larger OOP 75 - 80

Pot $146 SPR under 2

Flop Kh6hKs.

Hero leads $90. Vil moves AI. Hero calls.

Results:
Spoiler:
Vil shows KQ. Turn is a K and hero loses to quads





Pot$146
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09-09-2023 , 11:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 8877Bruno
Here is the hand. Other buyin was missing sets, raising PF and missing and getting led into a few times.

Vil is a older male that is wealthy. He loves to gamble. he is waiting for a seat at a bigger game.

This is heros first hand at table.

$300 Eff. 1/3 NL

Hero UTG A A

Hero limps. Vil raises to $15 EP. Yg on button calls. Hero back raises to $65. Vil calls button folds. - I know limping is not normal here with AA utg. I looked at the vils and knew I was going to be raised 75% plus. I should have raised larger OOP 75 - 80

Pot $146 SPR under 2

Flop Kh6hKs.

Hero leads $90. Vil moves AI. Hero calls.

Results:
Spoiler:
Vil shows KQ. Turn is a K and hero loses to quads





Pot$146
Check the flop. Keep his bluffs in.
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09-11-2023 , 09:46 AM
Session 20 8 hours break-even

Very interesting table with dynamics changing over the whole 8 hours. Table started out loose with lots of limping. I played pretty tight and disciplined.

Had a couple hands like the following:
UTG limps. 4 callers. Hero limps button 7c7h. SB calls. BB min raises to $6. 5 callers.

Hero strongly debates raising here but just calls.

Flop is over cards and I fold to action ahead of me. Seems to be a good spot if i had a good image to raise here and get heads up or win pre flop with all the dead money in pot. I passed due to the strong potential of people limping AK and big broadway hands that would not fold to raise.

I had many broadway cards like AJ, KQ etc where I would raise pre, get two or more callers, miss the flop and fold when getting led into. A little frustrating but thats how it goes sometimes.


Hand 1:

UTG $300 Vil is a younger player. Seems somewhat studied. Haven’t seen him go crazy but don’t think he is a nit either.
Short stack $90 just moved from another table. Middle aged male no reads

1/3 NL. $280 effective. UTG straddles. UTG raises to $10. Short stack in middle position raises to $30. Hero highjack QQ raise to $90 to isolate short stack.

UTG calls. Short stack folds.

Pot $214

Flop:
J 7 4

UTG checks. Hero bets $100. UTG check raises AI 190. Hero calls.

Results:
Spoiler:
Vil has JJ I lose.



Hand 2 $300 effective 1/3 NL

VIl has been very active. Showing down lots of suited hands J8ss, J4hh. He’s been caught bluffing a few times with air but playing his strong hands the same as his air.

Straddle is on UTG $6. Hero raises to $20 KK in middle position. two calls. BB short stack calls AI for $4.

Pot $70.

flop: 9 8 5

Hero leads $35. Loose player raises to $80. one player folds. Hero?

Results:
Spoiler:
Hero folds. Feels like another close spot where I should check flop as its bad for me and go from there especially OOP. Can make a strong arguement for checking flop here and that is my default. Want to play this hand over.
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09-11-2023 , 11:37 AM
Hand 1 - im confused if you 3b a straddle or if you are 4b after someone 3b a minraise of the straddle. Vs UTG this can be a call pre occasionally. But overall hand looks to be played fine
Hand 2 - check flop like you said vs this V. Keep all his bluffs in, he is aggressive. And obviously a good flop for the cards he has been playing. Not sure I could fold to the raise vs this V, might play for stacks if he bluffs as often as you said. He can have every pair plus gutshot in his range he is raising. Or complete air. Or 67.
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09-11-2023 , 04:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by larry the legend
Hand 1 - im confused if you 3b a straddle or if you are 4b after someone 3b a minraise of the straddle. Vs UTG this can be a call pre occasionally. But overall hand looks to be played fine
Hand 2 - check flop like you said vs this V. Keep all his bluffs in, he is aggressive. And obviously a good flop for the cards he has been playing. Not sure I could fold to the raise vs this V, might play for stacks if he bluffs as often as you said. He can have every pair plus gutshot in his range he is raising. Or complete air. Or 67.

Hand 1: UTG straddles to $6. Next to act (UTG+1) raises to $10. Short stack raised to $30. Hero 4 bets to $90 with QQ. I can see the confusion with my writing!




Hand 2: I didnt know how I should proceed. If I call flop I feel committed on many runouts and just have to ride the variance train when their range is so wide. Easy for him to have the nuts or air here or draw. I didnt know how much equity I had against a wide range here. (study time!)

Thanks for the thoughts.
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09-13-2023 , 11:00 AM
Ive been losing a fair amount of hands from Early position. It was time to revise my opening range.

My current opening range:
AA-22 = 78 combos
AT-AK =64 combos
KQ= 16 combos
KJs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 78s, 76s, A5s = 32 combos

190 combos total. 14.3 %


Upswing Poker advises a tighter range
AA-77 = 48 combos
AK, AQ 32 combos
AJs-ATs 8 combos
KQs-KTs 12 combos
QJs-QTs 8 combos
JTs 4 combos
T9s 4 combos
= 116 combos = 8.7%


Small Stakes No Limit Holdem by Miller, Mehta, and Flynn

Tough online game range
AA-TT AK
30+16 = 46 combos = 3.5%


Wider range UTG
AA-22 = 78
AK-AJ 48
KQ =16 = 142 combos = 10.7%


I agree with critiques of posted hands that I open too wide in early position. Its hurting my win rate.

I like the idea of having all pocket pairs in my range for board coverage. If the board is all low cards I want some strong hands in my range besides overpairs. But im having trouble deciding between the wider range UTG from SSNLH 10.7% (easier to remember) and the Upswing range 8.7% (wider board coverage more suited hands )
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09-13-2023 , 11:18 AM
A lot of our range in various positions will be decided by our skill advantage against the table (not even necessarily the particular table, but an "average" one will do too). So, the higher relative skill advantage we have, perhaps the more wider we can be. The point being it won't be a one-size-fits-all answer, so you'll have to find your own way a bit.

Prior to 2017, my EP playing range was 22+ / AQo+ / Axs+ / any suited broadway / and once in a blue moon I'd even get a little adventurous and add smaller stuff and KQo. But after going thru a tough ~1300 hour stretch, I re-evaluated this range, and began playing what I call my Super Nit style. My EP playing range is now 77+ / AQo+ / ATs+ / KQs, and I never play wider (and at some tables I'll play even slightly tighter).

For those with some real skillz, that might be far too tight. For the majority of poker players, who are losing at poker, that is likely far too loose. But for me and my skillz, it seems to have righted the ship a little bit.

Ggoodluck!G
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