I know of four (WildHungarian, Galadria, 0ivika, CourtieBee) and of that quartet I'd say CourtieBee is far and away the best, as she's a former $200 (?) HU Hyper Cartel Member.

Unfortunately these situations with horses are inevitable and sadly you cant do much.
Dont forget to post in the section of scums so another backer can be informed and not take him as a horse. I wish you to be healthy and have loads of run good in new year.

I don't think he refers to horses owning him money and that are dodging, that would be just makeup and is all part of the deal. It seems he has lend money to other pokerplayers who he is friends with. I guess when it's obvious they have the money to pay you back, but are dodging you and they clearly choose to not pay you back, you might want to consider outing them. Anyway GL with the grind and getting you money back including your EV

Thanks!

Aside from one individual, the group is entirely non horses.

Yup, it's friends/fellow regs/acquaintances/etc. Will be giving them a week to make some sort of effort, otherwise I'll be posting in the Negative Feedback subforum.

If I were you I'd limit the people I would give money to just a few. I think trusting people that they would think like you and make everything possible to return their loans is a giant mistake. And before you say I am a nit, be as generous as you want, just make sure it's a very close circle of people you trust with money. Nothing more tilting than someone who you thought is a legit good person turning out pos with some money involved.

Hope you get a reasonable amount of your money back dude, wish you all the best for 2017. I'm sure you will smash.

Can I borrow $20?

There is only 3 people that I would send anything over 1k, and most of them are IRL friends. Hopefully you ll get everything back and bink a nice multiplier. Merry Christmas .

Yeah, the majority of $$ owed is from last year. I wised up a bit in 2017, but still did loan a small amount (sub $5k) when I was liquid enough to afford it.

Thanks man, excited to hear what's next for you as well. Pretty jealous that you can legitimately say you're a male model.

Being in the poker world numbs you a bit to the exchanging of money, most of my IRL friends, even close ones, would never think to ask me to borrow $1000-$2000. But in poker, it's almost commonplace.

Still waiting for that bink, now $15k below for December.


I was going to, but then everyone told me to stop doing loaning out money, so blame them.

Had some swingy cEV last two days.

Yesterday, was -13 chips/game over 250 games.
Today, was +110 chips/game through 175 games.

Don't think I'm alone in feeling this way, but I've started to haaaaaaaate Spins. Seems like 99% of regs I talk to agree with me. I've been chatting with a few in game, and aside from the crushers, no one seems to be happy. Everyone's struggling in some regard, whether it be cEV or real money. The variance involved in a 25 BB winner-take-all format is annoying enough, adding the 'Spin' multiplier is just icing on top of a **** flavored cake. And things are only going to get worse in three days when RB drops to 28%.

Sorry to be a debbie downer, it's just not an amazing time to be a professional Spin and Go grinder, so it baffles me to see all of the stables popping up and people eagerly signing long contracts when even the end bosses are starting to look elsewhere for value.

Those numbers are very high for a single day of grind. Have you tried lowering the total number of games to 100-120 per day? That might improve your roi AND your quality of life (less tilt and stress).

^I think he's trying to take advantage of the last days of SNE rb.


Never played anywhere near your stakes, but of all the formats I've played only 2 have the power to tilt me: HU hypers and spins. It's a horrible game to grind and I'm glad I quit. I'm sure you'd be successful at most if not all other formats, so if it's weighing on you this heavily,you should try grinding some other formats and see what works for you not only financially, but for your own peace of mind.
You should also probably not loan out any more money given how much of a mental strain those can be, with almost no upside.
imo

maybe 15$ on demand 27man+ are something for you?

If you think hu hyper format has variance you should try 6 max hypers

everyone gonna be forced to be a mtt grinder soon

I get in about 35 games/hour, so the numbers aren't that high for me. Was averaging 3500-4500 games per month before I dedicated a lot of time to the stable, and even more so when I was grinding for SNE last year. ROI still decent, like 42 cEV for the month (3%) and 47 for the year.

I did, however, have a stretch of 1-2 sessions where I YOLO'd it and 10+ tabled. That might have been a mistake.

Agreed on all fronts -- Losing in HU/Spins feels much more 'personal' and frusrating, loans offer me little else but mental anguish, and I'm looking into other formats. MTTs sound the most appealing (and I run a MTT stable, so there's that!) but I'm not a fan of the time constraints and think my hourly will be much worse.

Sadly, this. Until they increase the rake in MTTs. And then we can just grind live poker/be sad people.

If it gets to that point, I'm taking a 9-5 job.

In terms of variance, I'd rank them as:

Spins > 6m Hypers > HU Hypers

hu hypers didnt have any variance until battles for lobby became intense

like i think i had mayyyybe one or two losing months at high stakes for a 2-3 year period.

Used to grind fullring hypers and ran 200BI under EV before they finally fried my brain so yeah 'm aware

In HU hypers it's not so much the variance, more just the format that tilts me.

Do you have any kind of exit plan for poker?

Fair, the constant reg vs reg play is something that would definitely hurt my edge/increase variance.

Awww, I looooooved full ring hypers.

Not exactly.

Owning/operating the MTT stable should help me ultimately transition from player to coach/investor, it's already lead to me cutting down on the total number of hours played. In 2015/2016 I think I played 2000+ hours, but this year it was closer to 1200.

I haven't been able to find a secondary passion, so for now poker will remain my focus. Not even sure what I'm qualified to do at this point, my undergraduate degree (Communications) is barely worth the paper it's printed on so I'd likely have to go back to school to get some secondary degree (Education, MBA, etc).

my mum always said don't lend money you can't afford to lose, its always a risk the lender takes for no profitability, only to break even or lose the money.

Charging interest solves this issue or having the services of a proficient and professional debt collector can have its advantages.

Haha thanks, moms in general have solid advice. Would be interested in hiring a professional debt collector, leg breaking is optional.

Going to do a monthly recap now and a yearly one sometime soon (Maybe tomorrow!) but it's a lot more work, and I still don't have internet in my new apartment yet as I'm typing this from the old one.

December wasn't great. Let's start with the positives though:

Put in solid volume/hours

Ended up playing 4500+ Spins, all of which are 100s except for a handful (32, to be exact) of $15s which came after I prognosticated that the $15s could be beaten for 100 cEV. Ended up putting in one session, running at about 200 cEV, so obviously I'm right. Might do a prop on that in 2017, but most likely won't because of the time commitment required.

Really happy with my effort in regards to the grind, I played 130+ hours which is the most I've done since July. For a while there, I was struggling to find balance between the stable, grind, and my personal life but I felt December was the perfect mix.

Respectable cEV

With Spinlyzer down and Sharkscope not tracking correctly, I'm unsure what a 'good' chipEV in $100s is these days. Not concerned too much with that though as I don't consider myself elite, but it'd be good to know where my 42 cEV (46 for the year) stands. Based on Max Cut's SpinEV ROI calculator, it comes out to roughly 3%, meaning my EV + Rakeback was ~$24,000.

Annnnnnd now for the not-so-fun part. Despite putting in a lot of hours, my results weren't great. Part of that is my own fault, I had a two day stretch and for parts of it I tried 9-12 tabling. Those two days happened to be my worst cEV days of the month, and I dropped a fair chunk during them as well. I definitely feel a bit of a tilt problem at times and I need to work on capping myself at 6-tables.


Still, cEV was good enough overall to warrant a 3% ROI and I should have made $24,000. Unfortunately, I ran terribly.



Ended the month $16,000 under expectation and it sucked more than usual because my stable suffered a big downer in December as well, making my liquid money a lot tighter than before. I'm still fine by nearly anyone's standards, but if you've followed my story you should know that I'm a giant nit at heart, and not having six figs+ of 'dead bank money' makes me uneasy.

In total, I made about $8,000 in December. All of the profits came from that final month of 45% RB, so now I'm a bit scurred that the variance will hurt even more with only 28%, but I'm still going to be grinding Spins until I come up with a better option. Heck, I only need to win about 7-8 more chips per game to make up the lost rakeback, so maybe I'll just get better at the game and there won't be any problems.

Abarone you are a very good player.
I agree with you when you say you should drop to 6 tables maximum. I feel that'll improve your cEV quite a bit.
As of now, what advice would you give to someone wanting to grind spins? Recommended study subjects and nethod?

If I took out the two days I tried 8+ tabling, cEV jumps to like 50. But part of why I loaded 8+ was because I was running poorly, so something like 45 is what I'm hoping for.

Advice for grinding Spins? Erm, first off, why? You better love the format. You better learn to embrace variance. Probably would reccomend learning cash or MTTs, but if you're dead set on becoming a decent Spin reg I'd say finding a stable is probably your best bet. All the video packs are kinda meh and outdated, but some of the stables out will really help you improve your game, and most of them can do so without cheating.

#bangbang

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