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From 9to5 job to MTT$ ! ==> Building roll for Thailand !! From 9to5 job to MTT$ ! ==> Building roll for Thailand !!

01-28-2016 , 11:13 PM
Welcome to my PG&C Thread everyone

Who am I ?
My name is Vince, I'm 25 y/o french Canadien living in Quebec Montreal and I got enough of the 9 to 5 day job **** that, still young but time is precious!

My poker experience

I got in touch with poker when I was 19 in 2009 and if I could go back in time I would put all my efforts and time in that game.. #Can't

Well.. I started with a couple 25$ deposits like 99.9% and played mainly SnGs 9max and SnGMtts 4.50$ 180 !
Got some nice little scores like

2645$ 1.10$ 3xTurbo 4th/7081
1717$ 1.10$ 3xTurbo 5th/5883
705$ 5.50$ $5K Gtd 3rd/1566
431$ 3.30$R $2K Gtd 2nd/408
349$ 3.30$MM $30K Gtd 7th/13682

Last year I got back in poker and gave a try to Fifty50s at 3.50$ lvl where I had quite a nice succes both due to real life **** I stop and I was negative about the futur in this format. Lost internet for two week, lost my job etc

NOW


I'm living with a friend in a 4 1/2 apartment and my lease agreement is untill 31st of June! My goal till then is to grind a bankroll so I can move to Thailand Dream Big they said!

But first thing first, I need a plan

I will be playing Regular Speed Mtts
With a Bankroll Management of 100BI untill I reach 1K$ roll and then switch to 200BI
I will focus on field of less than 1000 players
Less distractions as possible while playing, that means ; -Cell phone out of reach + I've already closed my facebook account #Useless$h1t
Planning to navigate through HM2 and analyze some situations where I might leak

Ultimate goal is to have 10K$ Roll, I have 5-6 months to do so

All in all, if you guys have any suggestion on what to look for when finding leaks, experiences you want to share or anything, feel free !!!

Starting Bankroll is 364$


Saver :
Spoiler:
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01-28-2016 , 11:36 PM
Sub'd , glgl man!
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01-29-2016 , 05:54 PM
Subbed after that solid saver
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01-29-2016 , 07:44 PM
Quick update
Yesterday right after creating the blog, I started ONE tourney, 1.10$...
..and
..then
....
Spoiler:
1st/958
Shiped it for 161$
Nice bankoll booster
standing at 525$, couple tourneyz running atm

Spoiler:


She's waiting for me in Thailand
NO SHE IS NOT A LADYBOY STOPPP
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02-01-2016 , 04:19 AM
Nice end of the month, thankyou for playing

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Bankroll standing at an healthy 1317.03$

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02-01-2016 , 05:13 AM
Gl on your journey!
gonna sub this

Although I have to ask:
What is it with Thailand these days? Seems like a lot of young guys aim to live there..

Personally I think there are dozens of other incredibly beautiful countries/islands to live in, but hey..maybe thats just me.
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02-01-2016 , 08:14 AM
Poker community in thailand is inifinitely bigger than almost any other country with similar climate/locations etc.
Personally never been to other countries in SEA/SA, and I'm sure theres equally as nice if not nicer places, but the fact that theres a lot of poker players here definitely made it an easy decision.
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02-01-2016 , 04:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by omgwasabi
Gl on your journey!
gonna sub this

Although I have to ask:
What is it with Thailand these days? Seems like a lot of young guys aim to live there..

Personally I think there are dozens of other incredibly beautiful countries/islands to live in, but hey..maybe thats just me.
Well.. There is a couple of reason I must admit

1) Cheap cost of living ( $$$.. enough said )

2) Big Poker Players Community so I'll make friends that have same Passion/Mentality/Age/Hobby as me

3) Thailand is about the farthest I could go from Canada so it's really exciting to me

4) The nightlife look incredible


Making money is my first goal for sure! But also,making some friends there, I'm a really open guy, easygoing, funny, I speak English/French!! Who knows, maybe I'll make some good friend there and study/improve with them, move to another place, travel, etc

But first, LEMME GROW THAT BANKROLL
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02-04-2016 , 09:43 PM
I did not have much time to play lately because of my job. I'm working 9to5.5 Monday to Friday and I have gym 3 times/week and boxing 1-2/week. I'll be 100% free from Friday night 6PM to Sunday night 11PM and lunch are ready so i'll be putting a better volume.


Each day at work I'm like.. One day.. ONE DAY.. I'll be grinding day and night and this is gonna be my income. So I thought about it and I decided that as soon as my bankroll reach the 3K$ mark, I'm quitting my job.

The good thing is that I'll be able to get money from (Chômage?) #Unemployment wich is equal to like 55% of my current salary but with 0 hour of work wich will pay my rent/food/gaz/etc. for like 5 months at least.

I'm already preparing for the Big Day!! I'm doing this in advance mainly for two reasons; 1- To be as prepared as I can! 2- So I won't change my mind and get a Plan B so in some way it is officializing all of this

I received my passport wich is good for 10 years!!

I also bought some usefull things online like :

The thing that will contain all the things I will own, the ultimate backpack
http://www.tortugabackpacks.com/prod...ravel-backpack
Also bought 3 packing cubes with that for a total of 300$ USD !!!!!!!
I cashed out 300$ from my roll for it

Reusable earplugs

2 x USA to EUR adaptor

As soon as I'm not working during a weekday (So it don't harm my weekend grinding) I'll be going to SAIL for some Merino Wool stuff
Socks
T-shirts
A rain Jacket
Padlock
Spoon/Fork/Knife kit

Bankroll standing around 1055$ I think
GL on the tables to everyone who follow me
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03-08-2016 , 06:44 AM
hope its been going well, just thought I'll offer some advice since I've been pretty much in the same situation as you are.

Im a 21 y/o guy from toronto and have been playing pro now since winter 2014. In toronto I lived alone, I was also financially independent so it wasnt too easy to save up if you know what I mean, I had the ****tiest job (I know everyone says that but believe me mine was UP there) and I wanted out really quick so as soon I had a 3.5k roll and saw that according to my ev poker pays better then my crappy job I just quit going to work bought a plane ticket and jetted off to eastern europe (jftr I play cash games so the variance isnt as bad but my roll was still super small). Even at that point I was a bit insecure with my roll but I hated my job so much and really just wanted to get poker going already so I went out on a whim and hoped for the best. Spent a good few months in eastern europe building my roll at 25nl/50nl and luckily I did pretty well eventually getting up to 200nl and building a solid roll, I ended up moving to thailand 5 months ago and have been living here ever since.

Back in 2014 I pictured myself where I am now and I've actually exceeded my expectations and although Im happier now than I was working my ****ty job back in toronto it didnt turn out to be all milk and honey like I expected. So before I continue I just wanna point out Im not one of those pessimistic 2p2 regs who go around preaching "the bitter reality of poker" cause they weren't able to make it pro, this is honest advice I wish I would have been able to tell myself + some stuff for you to really take into consideration.

Playing poker as a sole income is EXTREMELY stressful, I know youve heard this one before but you gotta realize that once you go pro its no longer just a game to you, its your source of income. I was aware of this also but until you actually experience it you cant fully understand what thats like. And the smaller your roll the bigger the stress.

"I would compare the stress level of playing high stakes poker for a living to being an air traffic controller with an anxiety disorder", this is a quote from an article by a former highstakes pro 5 years ago but its applicable to the majority of pros due to the fact that if youre playing pro your stakes are generally gonna be fairly relative to your standards.Also dont forget its 2016, online poker is dying by the month meaning edges are getting lower which increases the variance for you if youre not improving. This leads to the next point,

The passion fades away. Believe me it really does, I used to love poker before going pro now I can hardly sit my ass down for a session thats longer than 4 hours. Poker is pretty exciting when youre rapidly learning the game, moving up stakes and proudly watching as your roll grows.

Once your playing pro you need to establish yourself at a certain stake and your shot taking strategy has to be much more conservative than you may currently be using. Idk about you but I know before going pro I would make calculations like "if I play "x" amount of hours "y" days per week I'll end up with "z" profit by the end of the month", but have you actually followed through with said schedule for a straight month? If not then believe me when I say its much harder than you expect. This + the fact that youre now making monthly withdrawals makes it much more difficult to move up meaning your probably gonna spend a good amount of time at certain stakes.

Now picture doing this day in and day out 5-6 days a week for months on end. The days of climbing your way to highstakes with some hard work and study have nearly all but caved in, I personally dont know anyone whos gone from micros to highstakes in the past 4-5 years. It becomes an actual job and no longer feels like a game. The excitement of upswings turns into more of a relief type of feel and dowswings start to feel worse (especially given a small br). Also youre in for some SICK runbad, the previous ones were nothing compared to what youre about to get hit with, this is due the fact that youre gonna be playing much more hands than you have in the past+making regular withdrawals so youre gonna be hit with some gross variance.

You start to devalue money/poorly manage your finances From all my poker friends/roommates and pros I've met all of them are terrible at money management, myself included. This is due to the fact that if youre hourly ev is say $30 youre experiencing daily swings that reach into the 4 digits. So when you have a 4 digit+ upswing youre not gonna second guess spending like $100 for example. And vice versa when youre down a lot whats another $100 to you? This is the type of subconscious mentality poker players are cursed with. A poker player who makes $30 an hour is almost always gonna have worse money management skills to that of someone who earns a similar wage at a conventional job. This is something too really be cautious with and keep to your budget. This leads into more of a side topic


Travel/living abroad, ik this isnt poker related but I feel its worth mentioning. Travelling is super expensive, even if it is in a poor country. Youre in some cool new place, you may want to go sightseeing, hang out with girls/guys you met, go for drinks, do some tourist **** ect... all that really adds up. I personally spent more living abroad than i did at home and thailand is the worst, its full of distractions and fun stuff to do. For the first 3 months i was in thailand i was spending like 3x what i wouldve been back home. People think poker players live in thailand to live a cheaper lifestyle but its actually to live a better lifestyle, nearly all poker players I know here are spending more money than they would back home its just that here you get more bang for your buck. You gotta account for stuff like border runs, medical insurance, renting a scooter, paying bribes if you get caught doing something you shouldnt be, taxis into town can be just as high as toronto taxi prices depending on where you live. Also there are gold diggers everywhere and they feed on bankrolls haha.

So yea sorry for the long rant lol I'm currently on ritalin . I dont want to discourage you but I want you to be fully aware of all the cons and dont just concentrate on the positives like i did, there are also a lot of pros. I know a guy whos been playing professionally for over 10 years now and he tells me he started wishing early on that he had a normal job so it really just depends on the person if it suits them or not. You just gotta be fully aware of all the negatives before just diving into it. I personally still prefer this over any other job at the moment but I think of it as a short term thing and in 2016 thats the only way you should be approaching it.

so yea the tldr; I HIGHLY recommend you keep your 9-5 until you reach a five figure roll because thats gonna be +ev for you and will prevent the heaps of stress youre going to face if you take off with a 3k roll, i would tell myself the same thing if I could go back in time.

Also if you do end up coming to thailand I recommend chiang mai, its where I've been the past 3 months, it super cheap compared to some of the other cities, safer than montreal, awesome scenery, girls are easy to pick up, has a huge poker community and its pretty laidback. I'd avoid phuket if I were you its expensive and its pretty dead imo, and if you go to bangkok dont go for more than a 2 days if you dont wanna go busto. Anyways all the best and swing me a pm if you end up making it out here, GL with the grind and hope to see more updates
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01-11-2024 , 07:52 AM
YO 7 years later, I'm back!

♤Broke my hand during summer and deposited 20$ on the Quebec Poker Site "LotoQuébec", won the FIRST mtt I played ��

♡Passion is back along maturity, finacial comfort too so no "need" to make money, i just want to play good.

◇The dream is still alive, I'd say more than ever.

♧I subscribed to RYE Tournament Masterclass and worked on my game.

♤Also went to Playground Poker Club in Montreal ONCE this summer and played a 200$ mtt 102players that I binked? Wth is wrong with the poker gods for 3.9k CAD EasyGame .

♡So, bankroll is at 13k (cad) (not counting the live 3.9k wich is liferoll money.

��Here is my graph :

♧I hired a coach to improve even more, sessions will start in february.

��I am still working fulltime.
I will try to post once a week and update.

PS: Last post sas insane thankyou for your answer, I am on cellphone and did not learn how to quote yet. GL on the tables ��
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01-12-2024 , 02:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Play4Keeps
hope its been going well, just thought I'll offer some advice since I've been pretty much in the same situation as you are.

Im a 21 y/o guy from toronto and have been playing pro now since winter 2014. In toronto I lived alone, I was also financially independent so it wasnt too easy to save up if you know what I mean, I had the ****tiest job (I know everyone says that but believe me mine was UP there) and I wanted out really quick so as soon I had a 3.5k roll and saw that according to my ev poker pays better then my crappy job I just quit going to work bought a plane ticket and jetted off to eastern europe (jftr I play cash games so the variance isnt as bad but my roll was still super small). Even at that point I was a bit insecure with my roll but I hated my job so much and really just wanted to get poker going already so I went out on a whim and hoped for the best. Spent a good few months in eastern europe building my roll at 25nl/50nl and luckily I did pretty well eventually getting up to 200nl and building a solid roll, I ended up moving to thailand 5 months ago and have been living here ever since.

Back in 2014 I pictured myself where I am now and I've actually exceeded my expectations and although Im happier now than I was working my ****ty job back in toronto it didnt turn out to be all milk and honey like I expected. So before I continue I just wanna point out Im not one of those pessimistic 2p2 regs who go around preaching "the bitter reality of poker" cause they weren't able to make it pro, this is honest advice I wish I would have been able to tell myself + some stuff for you to really take into consideration.

Playing poker as a sole income is EXTREMELY stressful, I know youve heard this one before but you gotta realize that once you go pro its no longer just a game to you, its your source of income. I was aware of this also but until you actually experience it you cant fully understand what thats like. And the smaller your roll the bigger the stress.

"I would compare the stress level of playing high stakes poker for a living to being an air traffic controller with an anxiety disorder", this is a quote from an article by a former highstakes pro 5 years ago but its applicable to the majority of pros due to the fact that if youre playing pro your stakes are generally gonna be fairly relative to your standards.Also dont forget its 2016, online poker is dying by the month meaning edges are getting lower which increases the variance for you if youre not improving. This leads to the next point,

The passion fades away. Believe me it really does, I used to love poker before going pro now I can hardly sit my ass down for a session thats longer than 4 hours. Poker is pretty exciting when youre rapidly learning the game, moving up stakes and proudly watching as your roll grows.

Once your playing pro you need to establish yourself at a certain stake and your shot taking strategy has to be much more conservative than you may currently be using. Idk about you but I know before going pro I would make calculations like "if I play "x" amount of hours "y" days per week I'll end up with "z" profit by the end of the month", but have you actually followed through with said schedule for a straight month? If not then believe me when I say its much harder than you expect. This + the fact that youre now making monthly withdrawals makes it much more difficult to move up meaning your probably gonna spend a good amount of time at certain stakes.

Now picture doing this day in and day out 5-6 days a week for months on end. The days of climbing your way to highstakes with some hard work and study have nearly all but caved in, I personally dont know anyone whos gone from micros to highstakes in the past 4-5 years. It becomes an actual job and no longer feels like a game. The excitement of upswings turns into more of a relief type of feel and dowswings start to feel worse (especially given a small br). Also youre in for some SICK runbad, the previous ones were nothing compared to what youre about to get hit with, this is due the fact that youre gonna be playing much more hands than you have in the past+making regular withdrawals so youre gonna be hit with some gross variance.

You start to devalue money/poorly manage your finances From all my poker friends/roommates and pros I've met all of them are terrible at money management, myself included. This is due to the fact that if youre hourly ev is say $30 youre experiencing daily swings that reach into the 4 digits. So when you have a 4 digit+ upswing youre not gonna second guess spending like $100 for example. And vice versa when youre down a lot whats another $100 to you? This is the type of subconscious mentality poker players are cursed with. A poker player who makes $30 an hour is almost always gonna have worse money management skills to that of someone who earns a similar wage at a conventional job. This is something too really be cautious with and keep to your budget. This leads into more of a side topic


Travel/living abroad, ik this isnt poker related but I feel its worth mentioning. Travelling is super expensive, even if it is in a poor country. Youre in some cool new place, you may want to go sightseeing, hang out with girls/guys you met, go for drinks, do some tourist **** ect... all that really adds up. I personally spent more living abroad than i did at home and thailand is the worst, its full of distractions and fun stuff to do. For the first 3 months i was in thailand i was spending like 3x what i wouldve been back home. People think poker players live in thailand to live a cheaper lifestyle but its actually to live a better lifestyle, nearly all poker players I know here are spending more money than they would back home its just that here you get more bang for your buck. You gotta account for stuff like border runs, medical insurance, renting a scooter, paying bribes if you get caught doing something you shouldnt be, taxis into town can be just as high as toronto taxi prices depending on where you live. Also there are gold diggers everywhere and they feed on bankrolls haha.

So yea sorry for the long rant lol I'm currently on ritalin . I dont want to discourage you but I want you to be fully aware of all the cons and dont just concentrate on the positives like i did, there are also a lot of pros. I know a guy whos been playing professionally for over 10 years now and he tells me he started wishing early on that he had a normal job so it really just depends on the person if it suits them or not. You just gotta be fully aware of all the negatives before just diving into it. I personally still prefer this over any other job at the moment but I think of it as a short term thing and in 2016 thats the only way you should be approaching it.

so yea the tldr; I HIGHLY recommend you keep your 9-5 until you reach a five figure roll because thats gonna be +ev for you and will prevent the heaps of stress youre going to face if you take off with a 3k roll, i would tell myself the same thing if I could go back in time.

Also if you do end up coming to thailand I recommend chiang mai, its where I've been the past 3 months, it super cheap compared to some of the other cities, safer than montreal, awesome scenery, girls are easy to pick up, has a huge poker community and its pretty laidback. I'd avoid phuket if I were you its expensive and its pretty dead imo, and if you go to bangkok dont go for more than a 2 days if you dont wanna go busto. Anyways all the best and swing me a pm if you end up making it out here, GL with the grind and hope to see more updates
You went pro with less than 3k Bankroll?????

Personally I don't know if I will feel safe under 100k :/

This is really me goal now. But I bought a Condo so I have expenses obviously and want to continue to go to the gym, go on dates, activities with my friends, go fishing during summer and drink Jack Daniels so, lets say 2.5K CAD$ would be my monthly expenses.

Sure the ultimate goal would be to travel but I would have to sell wich is okay too.
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01-12-2024 , 03:24 AM
Really?
Easy game!
Played on MTT on PS tonight. Happy
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01-12-2024 , 09:17 PM
easy 150% average ROI on 750 MTTs without a onetime, lol thats so sick, at least ur crushing the micros
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01-13-2024 , 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by leanPocketPair
easy 150% average ROI on 750 MTTs without a onetime, lol thats so sick, at least ur crushing the micros
English is my second language, can you explain what a ''onetime'' is ?
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01-14-2024 , 11:23 AM
Subbed, more thread savers.
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01-15-2024 , 10:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bibonow
English is my second language, can you explain what a ''onetime'' is ?
its when you win a very big score, call it one time because its the kind of score you only win once in long time.
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01-15-2024 , 10:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by leanPocketPair
its when you win a very big score, call it one time because its the kind of score you only win once in long time.
Oh yeah I see! Well I consider I had 2 of them since I sattellited my way in a 55$ for 5$ ended yp finisbing 2nd for 1500$ early on and same thing around 3/5th of the way.

I work fulltime alternating Day/Night 12h shifts too. Right now it is very part time but I study too around it.

I am playing without a HUD too since software does not allow it.
Work will be less shifts in about a month too. I started playing on Stars to add bigger fields and have more opportunities with the HUD (HM2)

Volume and ABI$ is very low but I am slowly getting it higher and feeling less pressure when playing 13r or 24fo now. Soon enough the higher buy-ins will come! 👌
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01-21-2024 , 05:59 PM
Found this thread when I was looking for opinions about where to go in Thailand for a 3 month poker grind. Funny enough I am in Montreal as well right now at university playing micro stakes cash games trying to build a roll to go professional soon. I've been looking for people to create a grindhouse in Thailand if your dreams still alive...

let me know. Discord: eliasxax
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01-21-2024 , 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcslasha
Found this thread when I was looking for opinions about where to go in Thailand for a 3 month poker grind. Funny enough I am in Montreal as well right now at university playing micro stakes cash games trying to build a roll to go professional soon. I've been looking for people to create a grindhouse in Thailand if your dreams still alive...

let me know. Discord: eliasxax
Added on discord!

Earlier this week I binked the same tournament 2 days in a row for a total of 2.1K but currently on a 400ish downswing and I am feeling terrible? You giys know the drill, nothing holds and its painfull.. i feel like hurting someone so I will take a break
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01-22-2024 , 04:00 AM
Hi!

I find myself in same kind of situation as you. Fulltime job and the dream is alive Playing mostly NLHE cash and MTTs these days.

GL! Subbed thread
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01-22-2024 , 10:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bibonow
Added on discord!

Earlier this week I binked the same tournament 2 days in a row for a total of 2.1K but currently on a 400ish downswing and I am feeling terrible? You giys know the drill, nothing holds and its painfull.. i feel like hurting someone so I will take a break
I obviously managed to finish 3rd in my last one and make it a profitable day, wich is a miracle, will post weekly graph or at least the follow up from last graph soon! 👌🫡
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01-22-2024 , 10:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moneyball33
Hi!

I find myself in same kind of situation as you. Fulltime job and the dream is alive Playing mostly NLHE cash and MTTs these days.

GL! Subbed thread
Where you from? I hope to motivate you 🙋*♂️ GL on the journey! In fact **** luck, work hard!
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01-22-2024 , 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moneyball33
Hi!

I find myself in same kind of situation as you. Fulltime job and the dream is alive Playing mostly NLHE cash and MTTs these days.

GL! Subbed thread
Where you from? I hope to motivate you 🙋*♂️ GL on the journey! In fact **** luck, work hard!
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01-22-2024 , 02:21 PM
I know you guys scrolling until you see some picture of a graph so lets F@CK1N G0

Year to Date stats:

Total Bankroll Stands @14 134$

So untill the end of the month, I will have 5 sessions max to play.

Bankroll @ 14134$
Goal 15 200$

Weight @162lb
Goal 165lb

# of Coaching Session Goal
Goal 2x
[]
GL ALL ♥

Spoiler:

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