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05-25-2017 , 10:20 AM
Well, i have not played a lot of 6 max cash zoom. What i can tell just by this betting pattern, i have seen couple of 5x hands here as well, not talking about an instant full house.

I really mean just this pattern looks like someone who hit his pair xD and wants to get the money in. An interesting approach for you would be not to OVERthink on a constant basis like you do 'no offense.
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05-25-2017 , 10:53 AM
we have like 38 combos of Tx+ and need to defend like <5% and 26% opening range is like 350 combos

prob dont even need to defend all KT here 3way

i don't really see the point in posting hands like this as you're just asking what to do exploitatively vs population (in this case population being goldstars with 200bb at 10nlz)

i prob call QT+ but its not like theres any concrete analysis u can get on it other than factoring in him doing it with enough worse Tx for value combined with some random spazz to be about 50% equity
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05-25-2017 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by KingOkris
Well, i have not played a lot of 6 max cash zoom. What i can tell just by this betting pattern, i have seen couple of 5x hands here as well, not talking about an instant full house.

I really mean just this pattern looks like someone who hit his pair xD and wants to get the money in. An interesting approach for you would be not to OVERthink on a constant basis like you do 'no offense.
No reads on V were assumed. So I have created a scenario to think about. At the end of the day it's about the assumption then the assessment of that assumption. I made the assumption very clear. You have a different assumption..

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05-25-2017 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AceYoFace
Why do you mention 88s? Any reads on V? Let's assume he's a very aggressive TAG and count the combos. It's MORE likely he is doing this with full house or a set rather than a FD. But as example say his range is a nut FD A2s-AJs, 55, JT-AT and maybe include couple of JJ combos and 1 99 combo. Is a call profitable here? The guy is going all in against 2 people which suggests he is doing this way more for value than semi bluff or spazzing an overpair.

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Can´t really give him a range, because this play is completely out of line by him. But looks like I should only call with 88s, AT and maybe KT here. So it was a huge mistake by me to call there.
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05-25-2017 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by KingOkris
Well, i have not played a lot of 6 max cash zoom. What i can tell just by this betting pattern, i have seen couple of 5x hands here as well, not talking about an instant full house.

I really mean just this pattern looks like someone who hit his pair xD and wants to get the money in. An interesting approach for you would be not to OVERthink on a constant basis like you do 'no offense.
The overthinking part is right. Most of the time I think at lvl 2 or 3 against most players, but the problem is, they think 1 lvl below all the time, so my assumptions are bad. So it looks like, I should think always on lvl 1 against bet or raise lines.
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05-25-2017 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by valuecutting
we have like 38 combos of Tx+ and need to defend like <5% and 26% opening range is like 350 combos

prob dont even need to defend all KT here 3way

i don't really see the point in posting hands like this as you're just asking what to do exploitatively vs population (in this case population being goldstars with 200bb at 10nlz)

i prob call QT+ but its not like theres any concrete analysis u can get on it other than factoring in him doing it with enough worse Tx for value combined with some random spazz to be about 50% equity
The point why I post hands like this is because these hands are the reason for my low EV at the moment.

Limit exploits are the only way to go at limits like NL10, because close to all players play poorly and think at lvl 1 or some few at lvl 2. So it´s pretty useless in a lot of spots to play gto based, especially the passive lines, because most players, just play their hand and most of the time massively unbalanced towards value.

My biggest mistakes are because of leveling myself against worse players preflop and postflop.
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05-25-2017 , 11:34 AM
Take a look at this hand. I mean wtf is he doing? So they really think just at lvl 1. They don´t care about their own range or my range.

So enough crying. It will change soon, I´m sure. Working hard on my SB and 3betting game and trying to minimize mistakes in the longrun.

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $35.24 (352.4 bb)
    Hero (BB): $10.77 (107.7 bb)
    UTG: $10.35 (103.5 bb)
    MP: $12.02 (120.2 bb)
    CO: $20.36 (203.6 bb)
    BTN: $10 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K A
    UTG raises to $0.25, MP folds, CO calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, UTG calls $1, CO calls $1

    Flop: ($3.80) K 6 7 (3 players)
    Hero bets $1.07, UTG folds, CO raises to $2.14, Hero calls $1.07

    Turn: ($8.08) 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $16.97 and is all-in, Hero calls $7.38 and is all-in

    River: ($22.84) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $22.84 pot ($1.03 rake)
    Final Board: K 6 7 4 2
    Hero showed K A and lost (-$10.77 net)
    CO showed 7 7 and won $21.81 ($11.04 net)
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    05-25-2017 , 11:45 AM
    yeah i mean its a lot easier to make pool adjustments vs regs than vs unknown button mashers that have a high volatility factor - i'm not advocating a theory based approach

    i meant when u post something like that idk if ur expecting for someone to come in and be confident about what randoms are shoving 20x pot with there - you're just going to get a lot of guesses and baseless assumptions and people constructing their ranges on that (like how I gave mine)
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    05-25-2017 , 11:59 AM
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    Originally Posted by valuecutting
    yeah i mean its a lot easier to make pool adjustments vs regs than vs unknown button mashers that have a high volatility factor - i'm not advocating a theory based approach

    i meant when u post something like that idk if ur expecting for someone to come in and be confident about what randoms are shoving 20x pot with there - you're just going to get a lot of guesses and baseless assumptions and people constructing their ranges on that (like how I gave mine)
    Yes I know. It´s hard to get an answer to most handhistories, because the limitexploits play a huge role in a lot of spots. Range constructions at NL10 or NL200 are so different.

    I know these exploits in theory pretty well, but I´m not able to follow these ingame all the time. And whenever I play differently, because of higher level thinking, overadaptions or something else, I get crushed.

    As said 90% of my missing winrate are bad calls in general or most of them bad calls, because of the limit playstyle.
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    05-29-2017 , 04:41 PM
    Hey Ravious, have some serious advices to you. Maybe this will help you crush this game. Post a more detailed Fap-Counter, because anyone here is interested in it. How is your Challenge working, it seems really interesting anyway

    No porn/fap counter: 19/100 days success // 12 days failed .

    Does it mean your goal is to reach 100 success days of not faping? So your Challenge is running 31 days now, you made it 19 days why you failed 12 days? Really impressing results tbh. When do you use to fap? Do you do it after good or bad sessions?

    Next Tipp is to post more Threadsaver and tits, because that will bring you more skilled people here in your blog. And dont give up your dreams, someday you can **** a girl like this.

    And now seriously. What the hell came into your head to share this challenge here? I followed your blog on BPC and came here after you mentioned to blog here. But on fact is true, you are just babble and babble the same and the same again, your rhytmn is always the same, after an little upswing you realize that you pay out to light (in other words you are a regfish).

    But on the other side respect for your motivation and your grinding skills. I think you are on the right way, work harder and start to do the things you already realized LOL. Fix that leaks and your WR will come automaticly.

    Look when you restarted and where you are standing now. I hope you do not burn out and the last days did not bring you back to NL5
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    05-29-2017 , 05:09 PM
    Hey interesting thread. I´m also german and i think to get back into playing poker soon.

    Have you ever thought about switching to party? I think with your volume you could earn way more than on stars at nl10/25 with the new rakeback system.
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    05-29-2017 , 05:21 PM
    Thx guys, will answer your posts at 01. June with my monthly update.

    Edit: And Gorilla, I really like your sarcasm. I´m a very sarcastic person too and love black humor.

    Last edited by Ravious; 05-29-2017 at 05:26 PM.
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    05-29-2017 , 06:03 PM
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    Originally Posted by Gorilla#1
    Hey Ravious, have some serious advices to you. Maybe this will help you crush this game. Post a more detailed Fap-Counter, because anyone here is interested in it. How is your Challenge working, it seems really interesting anyway

    No porn/fap counter: 19/100 days success // 12 days failed .

    Does it mean your goal is to reach 100 success days of not faping? So your Challenge is running 31 days now, you made it 19 days why you failed 12 days? Really impressing results tbh. When do you use to fap? Do you do it after good or bad sessions?

    Next Tipp is to post more Threadsaver and tits, because that will bring you more skilled people here in your blog. And dont give up your dreams, someday you can **** a girl like this.

    And now seriously. What the hell came into your head to share this challenge here? I followed your blog on BPC and came here after you mentioned to blog here. But on fact is true, you are just babble and babble the same and the same again, your rhytmn is always the same, after an little upswing you realize that you pay out to light (in other words you are a regfish).

    But on the other side respect for your motivation and your grinding skills. I think you are on the right way, work harder and start to do the things you already realized LOL. Fix that leaks and your WR will come automaticly.

    Look when you restarted and where you are standing now. I hope you do not burn out and the last days did not bring you back to NL5
    Wtf are you talking about? I for one enjoy discussing the challenges of no fap and the consequent binge-jerks at the end of a 5 day stretch.
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    05-31-2017 , 12:14 AM
    I think you have some unrealistic ideas, regarding to your possible winrates. My experience over years is, that a very good player can make 1-2bb more as the average Reg. I have no actual nl10 datas to make an evaluation, but I think the average Reg makes under 1bb/100 there, because the rake is high and on some positions like sb or utg its no big diffent between the limits, even if the Villians are a little bet weaker, nevertheless its difficult to make big money from this positions...(rough estination: nl10 zoom is like nl25 zoom for 3 years and there the average Regs were under 1bb, link. If you have enough datas, then you can make in hm2 an Alias-Nick for example with the 20-30 Player with the most hands and then look to their winrate.

    But ok, lets say the average Reg make 1bb, then you can expect something around 2-3bb/100. But to calculate and make plans with expectations of 7,5-10bb winrates is just crazy. And I think with this realistic 2-3bb Winrate on nl10 a hourly of 3-4$ is possible. Let us take 3,50$ then you can make 700$/Month if you grind 200 hours. You have written, that your monthly fix-costs are around 500$, so you can boost your bankroll with 200$, but 200$ is nothing, with this way you need many many months to get back a roll for nl50. I think it would be better and much faster for you to work a few months in a regular job and earn there the money for a new roll.

    And your no-fap-counter is a joke, isnt it? If you fail then you have to set your counter to zero again, thats the penalty! And have you ever hear about people with alcohol or drug problems, who make a list like 10 days success, 4 days failed and who are still proud of this 10 days-success?

    Last edited by Santalino; 05-31-2017 at 12:24 AM.
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    06-01-2017 , 12:56 PM
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    Originally Posted by Gorilla#1
    Hey Ravious, have some serious advices to you. Maybe this will help you crush this game. Post a more detailed Fap-Counter, because anyone here is interested in it. How is your Challenge working, it seems really interesting anyway

    No porn/fap counter: 19/100 days success // 12 days failed .

    Does it mean your goal is to reach 100 success days of not faping? So your Challenge is running 31 days now, you made it 19 days why you failed 12 days? Really impressing results tbh. When do you use to fap? Do you do it after good or bad sessions?

    Next Tipp is to post more Threadsaver and tits, because that will bring you more skilled people here in your blog. And dont give up your dreams, someday you can **** a girl like this.

    And now seriously. What the hell came into your head to share this challenge here? I followed your blog on BPC and came here after you mentioned to blog here. But on fact is true, you are just babble and babble the same and the same again, your rhytmn is always the same, after an little upswing you realize that you pay out to light (in other words you are a regfish).

    But on the other side respect for your motivation and your grinding skills. I think you are on the right way, work harder and start to do the things you already realized LOL. Fix that leaks and your WR will come automaticly.

    Look when you restarted and where you are standing now. I hope you do not burn out and the last days did not bring you back to NL5
    Ok man, I will make it short. I recognize your sarcasm and like it. Quick answer for my challenge was/is that I get extremely tired and unmotivated after fapping/watching porn.

    Yes ofc I failed. But it was still an improvement and I never did something like this before.

    I don´t know if your other questions about it was sarcasm too or not, so I will not answer.

    Obv. I try to post more tits and asses, because this is the reason most people join my thread.

    I know I´m a regfish, because I know my leaks for so long, but can´t handle to get rid of it. And I know a ton of people with the same leak, so maybe I can motivate them to fight against their known leaks like me.

    And thx for the respect.
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    06-01-2017 , 12:57 PM
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    Originally Posted by nl5pro
    Hey interesting thread. I´m also german and i think to get back into playing poker soon.

    Have you ever thought about switching to party? I think with your volume you could earn way more than on stars at nl10/25 with the new rakeback system.
    Didn´t thought about party at this point. Was only thinking about americas cardroom in the future.

    Currently I´m not in the state of bankroll to split it or cash it out for another site.
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    06-01-2017 , 01:06 PM
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    Originally Posted by Santalino
    I think you have some unrealistic ideas, regarding to your possible winrates. My experience over years is, that a very good player can make 1-2bb more as the average Reg. I have no actual nl10 datas to make an evaluation, but I think the average Reg makes under 1bb/100 there, because the rake is high and on some positions like sb or utg its no big diffent between the limits, even if the Villians are a little bet weaker, nevertheless its difficult to make big money from this positions...(rough estination: nl10 zoom is like nl25 zoom for 3 years and there the average Regs were under 1bb, link. If you have enough datas, then you can make in hm2 an Alias-Nick for example with the 20-30 Player with the most hands and then look to their winrate.

    But ok, lets say the average Reg make 1bb, then you can expect something around 2-3bb/100. But to calculate and make plans with expectations of 7,5-10bb winrates is just crazy. And I think with this realistic 2-3bb Winrate on nl10 a hourly of 3-4$ is possible. Let us take 3,50$ then you can make 700$/Month if you grind 200 hours. You have written, that your monthly fix-costs are around 500$, so you can boost your bankroll with 200$, but 200$ is nothing, with this way you need many many months to get back a roll for nl50. I think it would be better and much faster for you to work a few months in a regular job and earn there the money for a new roll.

    And your no-fap-counter is a joke, isnt it? If you fail then you have to set your counter to zero again, thats the penalty! And have you ever hear about people with alcohol or drug problems, who make a list like 10 days success, 4 days failed and who are still proud of this 10 days-success?
    Hey man thanks for the long post.

    Hm goals are not unrealistic in first place. Yes you are right that the regs are all in all at a winrate of under 1bb/100 at each stake up to NL100. There are only a few crushers and rest is slightly up, even or slightly down.

    As said I know my mistakes but can´t drop of the bad habits, especially when variance begin to kick in.

    So for me it´s like go big or go home. If I would start working parttime I think poker would be done. That´s why I said this is my last year to make it happen or let it go.

    But I found a nice solution for my monthly expenses. I will talk a bit in detail in the May recap.

    Hm yes I know how the challenge looks like. But I´m happy I could improve anyway. I restarted it few days ago and aim for 30 days and more. So far on day 4 today.
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    06-01-2017 , 04:11 PM
    May Recap

    Fap challenge didn´t went well, but it was still an extrem improvement to before. I try to get even better with it.

    Didn´t reach the sample I wanted to play, just because I made so much content/review, so I had no time to grind.

    Still know my mistakes and still do it again and again and again. Hard to get rid of bad habits. Try to focus on June and forget about May. Play always a+ game, avoid mistakes and grind the **** up.

    Results of May



    Overall NL10z

    I´m still close to 4bb/EV even with that massive even phase. Sad story bro.



    As said I found a solution for my cashouts. In Germany as a student you can get a cheap credit for studying with a maximum of 650€/month. So today I made the contract for the max rate starting with the first payment at 01.07.2017. Till then I can pay all my bills without cashing out and I´m able to rebuild my bankroll.

    I will go to another city in October to study there. If I like the new course I will study part/fulltime and play poker beside, not sure about this yet.

    When I´m back at NL50 and earn enough every month and save some money I will cancel the contract and just pay for the months until this.

    It´s just to hard to get out of NL10 with $500 monthly expenses and some debts, so this way will work way better. I can focus more on quality of play, because I don´t have the financial pressure.

    (I would never recommend this for new players, I just do this, because I played for a really long time as a winning player or slightly winning and I earned enough playing poker, just spend to much money idiotically. So don´t do this at home. )

    Goals for June

    Don´t look at daily results, just look at the monthly results, because longterm matters

    Play around 120k hands
    Avoid mistake by all means
    Move up to NL25z
    Study and review on a daily basis
    Spend more time outside the house
    Eat cleaner (no chocolate or energy drinks)
    Do a freeletic program at home to get leaner
    Quit completely with porn/fapping
    Read the book Relentless: From Good to Great to Unstoppable
    Develop the new sleep schedule

    Somebody missed my threadsavers the last couple days?



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    06-02-2017 , 12:24 AM
    Don't listen to everyone making fun of you for the nofap challenge. Fapping is not a dangerous drug that requires intermediate intervention. It's ok to taper off lmao. Trying to go cold turkey with addiction as strong as fapping is fighting an tortuous battle for very little gain. Yes there are probably benefits to nofap, but you will kill yourself trying to go cold turkey. Try to go for like every two days, then progress gradually. Not everything has to be taken on full force, it's like you saying earlier that you will be aiming for a 10bb wr or whatever. Start with 3bb first and take it from there. Gl lad
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    06-02-2017 , 01:13 AM
    have i read it right that you are intending to enrol in university to pay off bills/debt so you can move up to 50z and once you have moved up to 50z you are then going to leave university and play poker full time again?

    I hope im mistaken in my assumption.
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    06-02-2017 , 08:52 AM
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    Don't listen to everyone making fun of you for the nofap challenge. Fapping is not a dangerous drug that requires intermediate intervention. It's ok to taper off lmao. Trying to go cold turkey with addiction as strong as fapping is fighting an tortuous battle for very little gain. Yes there are probably benefits to nofap, but you will kill yourself trying to go cold turkey. Try to go for like every two days, then progress gradually. Not everything has to be taken on full force, it's like you saying earlier that you will be aiming for a 10bb wr or whatever. Start with 3bb first and take it from there. Gl lad
    Thx man, as always really appreciate your posts. Last month was a good first attempt for the challenge, so now I think I could get it in the second run.

    Haha I´m not a person of small goals and I will never be. When I set a goal for whatever I give 200% until it is completely unreachable.

    Still think 10bb are doable at NL10 by only dropping the mistakes to zero. I´m still at 4bb/EV over 300k hands regardless of the even phase.

    Started the month by playing 3tabling and marking every player, try to focus on not making mistakes at all. Will keep this up for a few days and see what happen.
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    06-02-2017 , 08:58 AM
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    have i read it right that you are intending to enrol in university to pay off bills/debt so you can move up to 50z and once you have moved up to 50z you are then going to leave university and play poker full time again?

    I hope im mistaken in my assumption.
    First of all I´m in university for 7 month so far. I made the contract to get even with the monthly expenses. If poker doesn´t work I study fulltime. Plan is to only use the credit until I have some savings and be back at NL50 with a steady income.

    If I reach a good monthly income by end of the year I will play continue playing fulltime, beside if I like my study so much, that this would be more worth it for me. Got a real plan B too, which I will start doing next summer, so far the plans for it.

    And move up to NL50z is wrong. It´s moving back up to NL50z, where I played a really long time before and was slightly winning.
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    06-02-2017 , 09:01 AM
    First session results of the month and it started well. If somebody is still interested in the no fap counter, I could update it. If not I will tell you guys how it went after end of June.

    Ah btw. I will never take a look again at daily graphs for this months, so I will upload only monthly graphs close to everyday.

    01.06.2017

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    06-02-2017 , 12:28 PM
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    Still know my mistakes and still do it again and again and again. Hard to get rid of bad habits. Try to focus on June and forget about May. Play always a+ game, avoid mistakes and grind the **** up.
    Playing 120k h/month and 'play always A+ game' just won't happen, plus you should think twice wrt your thoughts on achievable bb/100 results. I think you'll do better once you realize/accept stuff like that. gogo
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    06-02-2017 , 06:22 PM
    ^^ +1
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