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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
There is interesting hand I played in Party 5k today, lets discuss a bit of strategy.
Villain 3bets me pre flop, on the flop he checks.
Best strategy?
check flop, check turn unimproved
check flop, bet turn vs double check
bet flop, check turn
bet flop, bet turn shove river
bet flop, shove turn
shove flop
open fold flop
And why... Will give my opinion after a few others.
Ok, so this hand is kind of the way you can think tournament vs cash game theory.
This exact hand exploitatively works super well as bet flop/jam turn in MTT's because
- MTT population checking range is less likely to be JJ/QQ/KK
- MTT population ott will think of hand in vacuum OTT
Betting flop/shoving turn will likely get called by AA/TT/KK
Betting flop/shoving turn will likely get folds from hands such as A2/A5s, the other A4s, AK/AQ/99
My assumptions are that population will likely bet QQ/JJ at super high frequency, x/r KK at some kind of frequency vs a large sizing. We do block AK/AQ, but they have all combos with these positions, we also block one of the hands that calls/calls, AA.
In tournament poker especially, I think its massively important to exploit spots where villains will be calling flop/folding turn with high frequencies, or the opposite, never folding turns after they x/c flop.
In terms of actually theory about how to think about the hand, Kangal made really good post:
"Blocking the As is pretty important here, as it pretty significantly narrows the range of hands that villain will be x/f turns and rivers unimproved (assume this is a flop that gets x/f by a regular at close to 0% frequency.)
We've got a high density of 1 street value/protection bets that want to bet 30-50% pot and get to showdown on this texture (66-99, Tx). If we assume that the above is true (V never x/f flop) then I prefer betting turns facing double check to flop check with our single street bluffs/value and don't think it's close at all. We can overbet certain rivers with this line using rivered sets/2p/trips to balance.
We also have a narrow density of multi street value hands (22, 55, TT, AA), though the broadness of this range depends a lot on whether we raise/call all pairs pre. We want to put some of our high equity bluffs in this range for obvious reasons, and can go like 42% geometric all in over 3 streets.
In short; flop stab is pretty bad imo as a single street bluff. This exact combo works pretty well in both the above ranges (x flop, stab turn or 3 street AI) and I doubt the EVs are hugely different as our raw equity is so so high."
I'm going to leave one last potential opinion about the hand..
What do you think about open shoving the flop? If villain calls KK we have 55%, if he has a hand like T9s god knows if he actually calls, if he does we have 55%, he for sure folds all the AK/AQ, suited broadways bdfds, a5, a2, a4.
I'm not saying this is the best line, but when we play against the MTT population, we should always think of all different lines and think outside the box vs how we expect them to be playing potentially poorly (in this case we're assuming checking range is going to be relatively weakfish.