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02-14-2017 , 11:35 AM
Great thread but you can't beat mums home cooked roast! **** all that £100 baller rubbish
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02-14-2017 , 06:15 PM
£50 for a Sunday Roast Jesus, did the Chicken travel 1,400 light-years in hibernation from Kepler-452b?

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02-15-2017 , 01:43 AM
A lot of the places that charge crazy prices for roasts get away with it because of the demand. Some places are known to have great roasts and are full every weekend so they can afford to put up the prices.


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02-15-2017 , 02:11 AM
id want a soapy tit wank on the side of my roast, thats insane! pics or u never ate it, tell me there was some sort of incred gravy?
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02-15-2017 , 05:49 AM
Hey Pads

I remember you talked about the online sats on pokerstars to live events. You said they were unbeatable iirc. Do your horses from top tiers play some of those on stakes? Maybe by game selecting? Or are those really just -ev?

Can you go a bit in depth about this? I can't find your post where you talked about it back then.
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02-15-2017 , 08:50 AM
Thank you very much for this video.

Haha my first Message on a poker forum (except PT4....), even after 7 years playing )))

(I realised one week ago that I need to share and talk more about poker to feel better , more confident and increase my level)

So thank you Mr.Pads!
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02-15-2017 , 09:41 AM
Awesome thread and great stable. Subbed glgl
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02-15-2017 , 10:15 AM
v good video that last hand is so interesting.... £100 for a roast dinner is scandalous.
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02-15-2017 , 10:51 AM
That AK hand... I actually ran it in a solver a while back, and your hand was mostly betting small on the river (and 100% call it off), but obv preflop ranges might be different (I gave you small amounts of 98s 87s A4s A5s and he doesn't have AK, both of you have some KK+, he has also some small amount of 99-QQ and various suited playable hands as well). So, well play I guess. You can also bet turn a lot with AK (either nai or ai).

His hand was never a bluff tho (but can call given you have some 98s 87s and getting a great price+blocking ur thin value hands like AK AQ), and especially bad with KQdd as AKdd was folding the most on rivers.

Interestingly he doesn't have much AQ in his range as he should jam flop with most of them along with 99 and some A5s A4s just as a "take his ev and go home" play.
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02-15-2017 , 11:07 AM
I used to play for this stable, so figured I would leave a few comments here. All this applies to 2015, don't have a clue about poker environment these days.

Pros:
- Worldclass Coaching: As part of development stable was literally drowning in input. There was coaching almost every day and could always do work on the side with forum, group chat etc.
- Actual Improvement: I went from 9 bb/100 to 12 bb/100+ winner at small stakes. Could tell that coaches put great emphasis on current trends as well as general GTO approach. Was constantly winning and profit chopping.
- Community: Feels good to have all these great players sending GLs in chat, when you are deep in a MTT. Played by far my best and most confident poker at the time.

Cons:
- General: Some good points have been made in this thread already. Should definitely choose poker as a career before joining IMO. Giving away half of winnings at stakes you are beating and rolled for anyway not making sense otherwise.
- BITB specific: Think I didn't talk to OP personally a single time in 6 months. He only texted me once, when I was at final 4 tables in SM
Definitely adds to the feeling of "being an employee". This is probably just down to size of the stable, which has grown a lot since.

Side note: Always found it funny, how this stable was seen as the best and most professional in the business. It only took a quick message to get handed thousands of $. Can only imagine, how other stables get scammed constantly, if this is the benchmark in poker. Probably makes sense given the way stables are printing off of players, but can't imagine many fields in which this would be sustainable.
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02-15-2017 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sirin
Thanks for sharing the video.

I have a question about one of the spots - 18 minutes in, we've defended the BB with 87, there's a short stack all in for less than 2bbs.

The flop is Q54, we check/call a 1/3 pot bet, turn J goes checkcheck, river 6, you go for the check raise. You say that you're not going to be value betting this run out much, so for example you say you're not going to be value betting QT/QK here. But you also said that you expect his range to have a lot of showdown hands. Surely if he has a lot of hands that he's trying to get to showdown we should be trying to valuebet our top pairs?
Hey, in this spot I imagine he continues betting good Qx / sets ott so on the river his range is very weak, lots of "perceived" showdown value hands where when it goes check check he could win, but in reality when I bet river almost all of his hands will fold. It's a spot he's probably overfolding, but it's fine. When I'm at the top of my range like this, I get value in X/r and I don't block any potential bluffs like weak 4x/a5, ak/A/at that could bet the flop for some form of protection.

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Originally Posted by ratio946
Great thread but you can't beat mums home cooked roast! **** all that £100 baller rubbish
For sure!!!

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Originally Posted by SCOOOOP23
£50 for a Sunday Roast Jesus, did the Chicken travel 1,400 light-years in hibernation from Kepler-452b?

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I think it was pretty small quantity, so we ordered extra beef etc, but because it's in an Argentinian place they basically are serving you expensive steak rather than roasted beef.
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02-15-2017 , 06:22 PM
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Hey Pads

I remember you talked about the online sats on pokerstars to live events. You said they were unbeatable iirc. Do your horses from top tiers play some of those on stakes? Maybe by game selecting? Or are those really just -ev?

Can you go a bit in depth about this? I can't find your post where you talked about it back then.
Hey, I posted this on Twitter. But Elmerixx created a sharkscope group with basically best 50 or so MTT grinders and they were getting smashed in live satalites. They also take up a lot of attention and are super tilting when you bubble. I think I bubbled like 7 times in a row (like 7 times when I was in the last 3 with 2 seats or wte) pay jumps of $0, $5300, $7300 aren't nice!

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Thank you very much for this video.

Haha my first Message on a poker forum (except PT4....), even after 7 years playing )))

(I realised one week ago that I need to share and talk more about poker to feel better , more confident and increase my level)

So thank you Mr.Pads!
This is so cool! Exactly why we have the thread too. I hope it's not your last post.

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Awesome thread and great stable. Subbed glgl
Thanks Ricky


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v good video that last hand is so interesting.... £100 for a roast dinner is scandalous.
Haha cheers pal

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Originally Posted by watergun7
That AK hand... I actually ran it in a solver a while back, and your hand was mostly betting small on the river (and 100% call it off), but obv preflop ranges might be different (I gave you small amounts of 98s 87s A4s A5s and he doesn't have AK, both of you have some KK+, he has also some small amount of 99-QQ and various suited playable hands as well). So, well play I guess. You can also bet turn a lot with AK (either nai or ai).

His hand was never a bluff tho (but can call given you have some 98s 87s and getting a great price+blocking ur thin value hands like AK AQ), and especially bad with KQdd as AKdd was folding the most on rivers.

Interestingly he doesn't have much AQ in his range as he should jam flop with most of them along with 99 and some A5s A4s just as a "take his ev and go home" play.
Hey, thanks. Yeh we looked at it too. I think he very likely will jam AQ 0% otf and fold it 0% otr, I would have most likely bet/folded the flop.

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Originally Posted by elmo1991
I used to play for this stable, so figured I would leave a few comments here. All this applies to 2015, don't have a clue about poker environment these days.

Pros:
- Worldclass Coaching: As part of development stable was literally drowning in input. There was coaching almost every day and could always do work on the side with forum, group chat etc.
- Actual Improvement: I went from 9 bb/100 to 12 bb/100+ winner at small stakes. Could tell that coaches put great emphasis on current trends as well as general GTO approach. Was constantly winning and profit chopping.
- Community: Feels good to have all these great players sending GLs in chat, when you are deep in a MTT. Played by far my best and most confident poker at the time.

Cons:
- General: Some good points have been made in this thread already. Should definitely choose poker as a career before joining IMO. Giving away half of winnings at stakes you are beating and rolled for anyway not making sense otherwise.
- BITB specific: Think I didn't talk to OP personally a single time in 6 months. He only texted me once, when I was at final 4 tables in SM
Definitely adds to the feeling of "being an employee". This is probably just down to size of the stable, which has grown a lot since.

Side note: Always found it funny, how this stable was seen as the best and most professional in the business. It only took a quick message to get handed thousands of $. Can only imagine, how other stables get scammed constantly, if this is the benchmark in poker. Probably makes sense given the way stables are printing off of players, but can't imagine many fields in which this would be sustainable.
Hey buddy,

Hope retirement is going well for you! Things in bitB definitely very different now to 2015! I think out of everybody we staked over the last 2 years or so you were in the top 5 of people that I had biggest hopes for. Was sad to see you stop playing.

Sad that it came out that we didn't speak much. I'm in or around the community for hours every day now, maybe then was slightly different when I was playing more etc but im only playing one day a week ATM (mostly) we kinda recognized around one year ago or so how important interaction with players/coaches is. Players are pretty timid in general about speaking Infront of people they really respect a lot, I'm the same with people for sure. It's something we really try to encourage now though.

My skype has literally thousands of people on it, I get a lot of requests and used to just accept them all mostly. If i go away for a week or two I come back and everything is flooded. There's often been times people may have ends aged me about coaching, staking, real life, party etc. this week somebody was looking for stars for euros so I clicked the guys name from the money swap group and he had asked me a question about staking, I hadn't seen it (not answering stakifn questions is not gto!) obviously, but he had also left a message saying something about how i was an arrogant dickhead who didn't haven't time for him or soemthing like that (also didn't see that) so if somebody did message me and I didn't reply, unless it was asking me for a loan it's very very likely I just didn't see it rather than i chose not to reply! So if there's an outstanding message between you or I bump it!
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02-15-2017 , 06:27 PM
So Sunday went really well. I had bunch of deep runs and ended up final tabling all of the party poker high rollers on the same day. 1st/3rd/5th for around 45k profit. Monday I woke up a little ill, one meeting was cancelled, but did another one with the guys from bitB. After the emerging we released the first free video I made and it went down really well, people seemed to like it and a few areas of improvement for the next one.

Today went into London, had a nice meal at Hawksmoor, which is a steak restaurant and then a constructive meeting about financial planning/investment/management. The problem with poker is that it projects an unrealistic return on investment that we get used to. But when it goes were going to have to get used to less money, more taxes, smaller margins etc.

Tomorrow my parents come for a week, but on Friday im going with Boris Becker, Trickett and a couple of others to Rodzadov for a charity tournament with some German celebrities which will be streamed and then possible some high stakes cash games. Never been before, will update throughout the weekend though.
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02-16-2017 , 12:00 AM
Subbed, Gl
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02-16-2017 , 02:54 AM
I need to sort out the internet in my flat so I can watch this video, not sure putting it through my 4g is a good idea.
looking forward to seeing the poker from Rozvadov!
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02-16-2017 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by sirin View Post
Thanks for sharing the video.

I have a question about one of the spots - 18 minutes in, we've defended the BB with 87, there's a short stack all in for less than 2bbs.

The flop is Q54, we check/call a 1/3 pot bet, turn J goes checkcheck, river 6, you go for the check raise. You say that you're not going to be value betting this run out much, so for example you say you're not going to be value betting QT/QK here. But you also said that you expect his range to have a lot of showdown hands. Surely if he has a lot of hands that he's trying to get to showdown we should be trying to valuebet our top pairs?


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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
Hey, in this spot I imagine he continues betting good Qx / sets ott so on the river his range is very weak, lots of "perceived" showdown value hands where when it goes check check he could win, but in reality when I bet river almost all of his hands will fold. It's a spot he's probably overfolding, but it's fine. When I'm at the top of my range like this, I get value in X/r and I don't block any potential bluffs like weak 4x/a5, ak/A/at that could bet the flop for some form of protection.
Hey,

Thanks for the reply but I think maybe I wasn't clear enough in my question!

I get that the river is a good spot to check/raise the top of our range, IE our straight, but what I'm asking about is when you said in the video that you wouldn't be leading river with QT type hands here, if I'm understanding right. I would have thought QT was a clear lead from us in the BB on the river,hoping for a hero call, just want to see if I'm misunderstanding something.
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02-16-2017 , 01:34 PM
I think when I bet qt he isn't going to be over calling many worse qx hands pre flop and I don't expect hands like a5/a4 to call me, what bluffs can I have? I think it's a spot where my range generates more ev from him bluffing than calling otr
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02-16-2017 , 02:46 PM
Well put (y)
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02-16-2017 , 03:28 PM
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I think when I bet qt he isn't going to be over calling many worse qx hands pre flop and I don't expect hands like a5/a4 to call me, what bluffs can I have? I think it's a spot where my range generates more ev from him bluffing than calling otr
Ah ok I see, I didn't get that you were checking your whole range here, makes sense now. Cheers!
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02-16-2017 , 05:57 PM
Heyo man long time no see! 77's pre seems doubtful no? Seems like after check/calling 862o we have to check/fold like 90% of turns, and surely we expect him to barrel super often with such leverage (close to bubble/also big stack)

Also thoughts on just check/jamming flop at 45'? pot is like 130k and he's got 224k behind. With our ace we likely have 6-7 outs at least and it's hard to have an overpair. Don't we expect him to play pretty perfectly against us on the turn by barreling all broadways and slowing down on an A/8?

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02-16-2017 , 06:22 PM
Must be last person on the planet to find this thread!

GL as always Patrick and greetings from my family to yours across the pond in Eire!
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02-16-2017 , 06:54 PM
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Heyo man long time no see! 77's pre seems doubtful no? Seems like after check/calling 862o we have to check/fold like 90% of turns, and surely we expect him to barrel super often with such leverage (close to bubble/also big stack)

Also thoughts on just check/jamming flop at 45'? pot is like 130k and he's got 224k behind. With our ace we likely have 6-7 outs at least and it's hard to have an overpair. Don't we expect him to play pretty perfectly against us on the turn by barreling all broadways and slowing down on an A/8?
Hey bro!!

Don't have the video with me right now. Tournament poker definitely extrneely different to cash. About 77 hand, few bullet pointed factors



- it's a bubble so he can't just take profitable triple barrel spots and has to play passively post flop (the proportion of chips gained are far less valuable than chips lost)
- antes pre flop mean I'm getting a really good price
- stsck management means losing 50k or so is not important at all but doubling up is absolutely huge. Think about my roi in the tournament with 450k vs 500k, those 50k chips are really basically worth little to nothing relative to having double the stack and being able to play a style that allows me to get to 3/5/10m quicker

Other hand I don't know what it is unfortunately :/ will check tomorrow.
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02-16-2017 , 09:36 PM
nice 1st video...cant wait for the 2nd and 3rd parts !!!!
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02-17-2017 , 04:06 AM
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Is it just me or is $5m not particularly impressive/noteworthy?

It sounds like a big number but we are talking about a very large stable too. Also, it seems to show a bit of a sorry state for poker in general. MTTs being the softest variant left and the best in the business have a majority of players on close to slave labour wages.

For example:

5 mill divided by 70 players is $71.4k each. Then split that 50/50 equals $35.7k for a full-time job with no benefits and long hours. Or put another way $17.8 an hour (slightly less than the expected hours of a normal full-time job)

Given that pads wants to have the team growing throughout the year and get to 130 players.

Let’s say the team hits an avg. of 100 players for the year.

$50k split 50/50
$25k for the player
$12.5 an hour

One last theoretical, say the stable has 5 tier 1 guys with a $300k expectation for the year. Then you are left with $3.5m for 95 players. $18k a year take home with some big swings along the way.

Thoughts from anyone? Did I make some basic errors in the math?
thanks for this. puts things in perspective. its a big number only for the stable and pretty much salary slog fr the players. pretty much how any other company office works. so the real money is in owning a stable if you can do it right.

i am sure its pretty hard to do and 90% dont make it past breakeven
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02-17-2017 , 09:25 AM
Have a flight now.

Pick your best 11 + 7 subs for a football team that would win the premiership tomorrow. You can use players from 1980-current day.

Best TEAM as voted for by Elmerixx gets $100 to stars account.
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