awesome thread, definitely subbed.

very nice thread, GL with ur goals OP, its def realistic with the way you're goin!

I was also considering moving to ipoker, what room would you recommend (VIP system, support and safety wise)? I want to move out from stars soo much, but Its the only site I trust depositing my money in:/

Ty

you're like 45k under aiev right? tough

The way I look at it is that his UTG range will be a lot stronger so with a hand like KThh which can flop really well I'd prefer to see a flop with it for just $25. As the PFR goes to UTG+1 then cut off then dealer, the opening hand ranges would be decreasing, so with a 3bet I can be more successful of a) taking it down pre flop or b) getting called by more marginal hands which will hit the flop less often and so check to me and I can bet and take it down a higher % of the time.

What you say about potential squeezes def is in my mind when i'm flatting an UTG raise, i'll always look at the people to act behind me to see if any have imo a high tendency to squeeze (I suppose the Hud would tell me that)!

I think what you say is all correct and a lot of different styles and plays can be backed up with good reason. If I did hit the 10 with my K10 on a 10xx flop, I probably - vs a LAG opponent - wouldn't mind getting it in as I know when I have the overpair the villains will always be getting the 10x in vs me (more so than I will vs them) so I still think i'll be making profits in these situations in the longrun.

Tbh flatting a cutoff open on the dealer with KThh i'll do maybe 10% of the time. I have position in a bigger pot if we see a flop, whereas if we just flatted he could be betting anything on a rag board and I wouldn't know anything about his hand range, could float it but then be unsuccessful if i hit a K or 10 as he may still have that crushed. If i 3bet though and then he's checkfolding on the flop (which a lot do) I think that's a big reason why my red line goes up - people don't actually realise how rare people actually hit a flop, hence them check folding alot of the time and my nonshowdown winnings going up.

Well I know certain players will feel uncomfortable playing out of position vs me due to me always raising them with position etc and them having to checkfold alot of the time. I still feel uncomfortable playing with certain players who are capable of doing this vs me... So maybe they are not better than me - but just if they have position on me, then i'll be the one losing the higher % of pots to them at the table. I looked through my wins and losses vs certain players yesterday to see who I was up and down to. The players who I think are all better than me I was in the main up vs as i try to always be sitting with position on them.

I think the players that are better are those who have the same aggression but also higher showdown winnings than me. I think maybe I don't always pick the right moments to 3 barrel, and sometimes I'm a bit too curious on the river I think. I have a tendency to sometimes just shove over a 4bet with pure **** (and get called) - whereas I dont really see others shoving with **** and getting called. Probably should tone down my 5bet %.

When would I leave a table? If I was sitting on a table with 5 winning players who all imo have 5bb/100+ winrates, and 2 of the best ones are to my left. I'd stay at the table if i had position on the 2 best ones though, and no other tables were running.

Nah - never hunt. I would hate to be classed as a 'bumhunter'

Starting from zero - i'd love the challenge. I'd spend my time playing freerolls until I had about $1000 then grind Nl25 to about $3000, then Nl50 to about $5000 then NL100 up to $10,000. Then keep grinding up the levels!

Yeah - but i think as someone mentioned, if he was a good reg he would have maybe clocked on to the fact I didn't barrel my flush draw on the turn (if i had it) - which is something I nearly always do - as I think if he had 88-99 kinda hand they'd probably fold after a flop and turn bet.

Yeah. Most good players (with the exception of maybe 4 I can think of off the top of my head) will be betting their top pair. This guy especially as I know he just cbets a bit like me, alot. It ruled out him having the Q imo.


Thanks, hopefully I can make it happen!

If you add me on MSN I can sort you out with my affiliate there who I've never had a problem with and very helpful, reliable etc at a safe and trustworthy site.



Something like that.

Ha - maybe soon - need to stay away from remembering my degen moments for now though. It's serious grind time atm!

how are u doing lately man?

ty for your answers.

do you think there's a strong correllation between a winning NSD line and a high 3b %, or is that just merely one factor that contributes to your NSD line winnings?

also if you don't mind, what things to you consider when deciding whether or not to double barrel in a 3b pot, and approx what % do you tend to dub in 3bet pots?

I ask because I don't 3b much and when i do i tend to put people on way too strong ranges when they call my flop cbet, almost to the point where I think they're never folding. To some extent that could be correct v people who fold the flop a lot but yea.

gl man, good to see someone with a different approach to most re hud, posting on 2p2.

Getting some winning days under my belt now - I think today has been one. Will post a graph shortly.

No probs. I think there is yes. What you should do is run a report in HEM for all the players. Then sort the report by 3bet %. Then run a graph for the players with the high 3bet % showing their non-showdown winnings graph. I think most have upwards/horizontal red lines. Generally the more aggressive the player, the more upwards their red line. Other factors obv contribute, like being curious

If i think the player is one to float a lot of flops, then i'll be betting the turn more often, or, one that calls cbet with a marginal hand and gives it up on the turn a lot... My flop betting % is 75%, turn betting % is 57%, with river 61%.

Depends what your vp$ip/pfr is tbh. The more hands you play the less likely you will be hitting the flop/have a strong hand. So if you play LAG then people will be calling your flop bet more / likewise if you are betting the flop a high % then they'll be floating you more.

Cheers, you too.

Day 13:
Profit: + £4,542

After Day 13:
Profit: + £40,041

Graph for the day:



Graph after day 13:




After day 13 I am projected to be up £17,808...

£4500, not a bad days work if i do say so myself...

****ing hell!

Decided to play a bit more in the end on day 13 and it proved a good decision!

Day 13:
Profit: + £10,274



After Day 13:
Profit: + £45,772

Post the big 25/50 hand at the end of previous session? Where you won $5k or whatever?
Cool to see some of the biggest hh

Great thread, gratz on 5* already. Very sick stuff!

Great thread, already a thread i check on a daily basis. What does the future hold for you after the year ends? Continue playing poker?

IRL do you keep poker to yourself? or do you class it as your profession of being a poker player?

Also you mentioned each month you take out 3-5k thats pretty sick amount to take out, i presume your living in london... Ridicolous prices overthere compared to over here in the north :P

Gl

Just say i am following this thread because it is awesome that someone can do this and show its possible to crush mid- highstakes still.

not sure if asked but do you mix stakes if not many games going ect?

I see your actually profits(green line) seem to follow your blue line but your redline is still sick. I think i see lots of others with + redline but their red line is similar to their green line. If you understand what im trying to say.

what do you think makes your redline go up like that? I know this is asked a lot. I understand most of the reasons and theory behind why that is happening but what do you specifically do differently compared to others that makes this happen in your opinion?

I got A4 vs JJ aipf and hit an ace, heads up. Tbf it was the 3rd/4th time he played back at me in like a minute so had enough of it. Maybe the bad run is over!


Yeah i'll need to continue, at the moment I have no desire in me whatsoever to get an office job. I want to get to the top one day so I guess I'll keep playing until I achieve that!

All my friends/family know I play poker for a living now, and yeah its my professional now that i've finished Uni.

The 3-5k I cash out is probably like every 3 days, from a site that i'm doing well in. I may put in money into a site where i'm running bad on. But in the main i'm looking to take out around £30k a month from all the sites I play on.

I know! The rest of my family live in the north of England, i suggested moving up there to my gf but she wasn't having any of it.

Yeah i'll always mix stakes - some people I have spoke to hate doing that though. I don't seem to have a problem with it. Although if I have a Nl5k table going on and the rest 1-2k then i'll have the Nl5k in the centre of the screen and be focussing on that more than the rest...

Me personally, I bluff alot, I double/triple barrel a lot, I have a high continuation bet on the flop. If for example I 3bet preflop (with Kings), the villain calls. The flop is something like Jh 7h 3c. I bet they call. Turn 2d. I bet, they call. River 8c. (so the flop flushdraw misses) - I'll always be shoving in (or if deeper than 100bb), be value betting the river. The reason for me doing this is because I think Jx or pp's are a lot more common in that spot than him having a flushdraw. I think most regs with a flushdraw will look to raise the flop and get it in, especially if they have Axhh. I see people checking the river a lot there and getting checked behind by like KJ/99 type of hands. The red line won't be going upwards as much if you take that line. If they had the set and were slowplaying, you'll still be calling their river bet - so you may aswell be the aggressor and put them to the test imo. Obviously they could put you on a hand like Axhh (or just a spazzed AK/AQ) and may still even call you down on the river with a low pp.

I think another reason why my redline goes up like it does is because i'll be playing the dealer position alot. Alot of 3bets and continuation bets, and then a lot of floats to take down pots vs those who give up after a failed flop bet also can improve the redline.

I think the new thing to do is cold 4betting also. If someone is 3betting a lot, then i'll cold 4bet out of the blinds with anything really. Put it this way - if I 3bet AJ/A10 (maybe even AQ) and get 4bet out of the blinds, i'll be like FML I have to fold... So picking up the pot that way will again increase the redline alot. When doing that, you'd have to be looking to do it vs someone who isn't nitty enough to only 3bet AQ+ and also not good enough to realise you're doing the 4bets with any two, and hence getting shoved on.

Various lines you can take that will make the red line go up are pretty useful and look weak to the opponent getting them to stack off pretty light...

One of my favourite lines is if i flop a set on a 2 flush flop. Eg) Pocket 3's and the flop is Jd 7d 3c. Faced with an original raiser UTG I will probably just flat out of the big blind. I'll check to him. He will be betting pretty much all the time. I'll check raise (obviously). If he calls... Turn - e.g. Kh. I'll check again to him. At this point most regs will be thinking (**Must be on a flushdraw, i'll value bet my J or whatever here to make him pay for it**)... Then i'd just ship it. You'll get called pretty light in that spot imo - even QJ J10 etc will call there from past experience as they'll just think **Ok, trying to win the pot with his flushdraw, I call**. If they do fold, the red line will go up, and they'll be left feeling outplayed and wondering what we had.

If you think someone has a tendency to float flops a high % of the time, and then when checked to will be betting... Then simply bet the flop with the made hand, check raise them on the turn (or just call and let them fire the river, if the board is dry) - another way to improve the redline.

Got a pen and pad of paper now by the side of me when I play to write any interesting hands down so I can then post here and discuss my thoughts etc. Otherwise I end up just fogetting about them once the session is over!

Example of extracting the most money from a weak player:

Thought process:

PreFlop: 4 handed, I have the dealer position. UTG fishy/weak player opens with a min raise, as he had been doing most hands. I'm obviously 3betting here to isolate him and have position on him, knowing he will more than often only call my 3bet. I was going to be 3betting him here with a very wide hand selection.

Flop: The nuts. Easy game. So here I am actually hoping the weak player has an ace or even better AQ (ruling AK out as he'd probably be reraising preflop with that)... So started off betting, obviously, and getting called...

Turn: Blank. Now as I've been called, im going to again be ofc pot building, making him pay to see if he has a flushdraw but at the same time not make him that scared of laying down a weak ace. (I'd been 3betting him a lot and getting him to fold flops and turns at this stage, so figured he would stack off with just an Ace due to him being fed up...)

River: No flushdraw there. Here - I overshove, simply because if he's got a hand which would call like $725 or whatever, he will be calling an all in. Imo he either has a missed FD, or a hand he's going to stack off with. So to get the most value from him, I shoved. Getting called by A3. I think he would have still called if the 3 didn't come. To him he may have thought I had a club flush draw and as it didn't come, my overshove could have looked like I didn't want him to call with just an ace, hence trying to get him to fold with an over pot size bet.

Day 14 so far - played a bit after midnight and lost ~ £4,000. Played today and got it back to around + £1,500 for the day.

Losing the minimum

Thought process:

Preflop: Finally getting a decent hand after isolating 2 weak players at the table for the past 15minutes... I was happy. If we were playing just 100bb i'd shove over the 4bet. But as I could be playing for someone who has 189bb at best a flip, I chose to just flat his 4bet, hence allowing me to see 2 things. 1) A flop, and i can get away cheaper if it came down Axx, and 2) what the player who originally 3bet me does, and then if he chooses to not fold or call, I can see what the player who 4bet does. If both shove, I'll be folding my hand. I'd never be folding KK here though.

Obviously I could have just folded to the 4bet (and not called it), and have lost less... But if i'm doing that then i'd be far too exploitable in the longrun.

An example of a hand which increased my red line:



Thought process:

Preflop: 3 handed, I'm on the button with Q7ss - I raise around 95% of buttons here, so with this hand i'll be definitely doing so. He 3bets, a smallish one (people 3bet here anywhere from 120 (the short stackers do that) to 200), so for 100 more and with position, deep stacked - I called.

Flop: A flop which I didn't hit really, flopped a gutshot, but with there being a flushdraw out there, me having position and us both deep stacked I felt it a good moment to raise it up and be aggressive in the hand. By raising it up vs this particular opponent I knew if he had flopped the nuts with KQ or had a flushdraw himself he is always one for getting it on the flop, he demonstrates that every session we play together so I ruled that out of his range once he called my flop raise. Now I wanted, obviously the K to give me a made hand, but otherwise, a club to fall on the turn. If the club didn't come on the turn, i'd probably be checking it down (unless a club came on the river, where I'd be more often than not, overshoving on him).

Turn: With the turn a club, and also making a possible Q9 straight draw which I could have raised with, it was a very good card for me to represent against him. By him calling the flop I was sure he had just AK or AQ, definitely not any sets, possibly AJ (but I still think he'd get that in vs me on the flop - he's a very aggressive player also)... Anyway, the best he had was A10 which I don't think he'd get in on the flop, but one where he'd call the flop raise, hoping i'd give up, or at least call a turn bet with. I had to bet this turn anyway, as it's the card I wanted to represent, so I did with a $735 bet into a pot of $1,130, which he called. This call then confirmed to me that he had an Ace with the K or Q of clubs. Obviously i'd have preferred him to fold at this point but I was pretty happy when...

River: The river brought a 2h. Obviously this card meant nothing to the hand, and I was always going to be now shoving and putting him to the test - does he want bluff catch for 190bb with just an ace...? If the river came a club, i'd probably be checking it down, as my read was him having the Ace with a very high club once he calls the turn.

I think this opponent was correct to do this play on (once he just flatted the flop) because as I said he is always going to be getting in nut flush draws, flopped straights and possibly sets on this board. Once he just flatted, I eliminated all of those hands from his range, leaving him with just bare aces that picked up flush draws on the turn, with A10/J10 being imo at the top of his range in this spot - hands which i'd be struggling to call if I was in his spot as he is essentially just bluff catching with them. I think Ace 4 is also the same as him having A10 in the river spot.

Do you tend to raise flushdraws IP in 3bet pots?

I think there are at least 10 factors which will vary and give different answers to this... But yes in the main.

Edit: Although i've started to just flat call alot more recently

Day 14: - £2,951

Played ****. Ran ****. GG

£42,781 profit so far