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My two cents about having what it takes to become a pro...

Each and every player has a maximum skill level that can be achieved. Whether or not your maximum is enough to make a living on a continual basis is impossible to say up front. Only time will tell.

I very much agree that it's up to you to evaluate whether or not to try to become a pro. Your current skill level is completely irrelevant for making that decision. The three things that are import are:
1. Your ability to learn - Do you have the intelligence needed? Stamina? Concentration skills?
2. Your willingness to learn - Are you prepared to doubt yourself? Critically listen to advice?
3. Time and money - Can you afford losing time and money while learning?

Excellent post!! You oughta start a new thread in the beginners section with this. In my case;

1. Past experiences and successes in my life would make me think yes. In reality this is something I've never tried before so nobody really knows especially me or anyone else on this thread.
2. Again past experiences in my life would tell me yes but if you ask many of the posters on this thread I would bet they would tell you no. Time will tell.
3. Time I can afford. Money is still a huge question mark. I still have some business deals on the side. In the past I've worked at these for 60+ hours a week and gotten zero out of them. In the past I've also made 1 phone call that lasted less than 10 minutes and gotten paid 1-5k for it. Its hit or miss. Who knows how long I'll be able to survive for financially while I'm learning poker? I wish I knew but you play the cards your dealt.

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07-07-2014 , 04:25 PM

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jim718181

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 234

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Originally Posted by McToady

Ugh this is back again?

I think OP's reluctance to accept the received wisdom of people who've played the game for years & general approach don't stand him in good stead for the future.

Also hoping to become pro playing on US sites with very small player pools is very optimistic even for a very good player (especially in MTTs).

I have accepted advice on many of the hands posted here. Again I say if I still disagree I will continue to speak up about it regardless of who the more experienced player is. Please change my mind, that is why I started the thread.

The mtt's on the US sites aren't going to cut it for me. That is obvious to me now. What I'm going to do from here on out is play SNG's which is what one poster recommended (likely don's) to try and grind up a roll. Then at some point I'll likely switch to live MTT's when I feel my skills and bankroll are ready neither of which are at this point. I still will play in the occasional online MTT to keep improving in that area.

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07-07-2014 , 05:19 PM

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Patje90

veteran

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,708

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Originally Posted by jim718181

I don't mean to come off as arrogant or as having a bad attitude. I will however speak up if I disagree with you on something regardless of who the more experienced player is. I would like to debate the hands and come to an agreement on what the right play was. I still have a few points I disagree with you on.

44

I need to win about 8.5 bb's if I can see the flop for 1 bb. I need to win about 36 bb's if I see the flop for 4 bb's. I read the opponents as loose enough to pay me off which I was right about. I got 40 bb's. Why are you opposed to limping? I agree the call for 3 more bb's was likely a mistake. My reasoning for using my chip count and not my effective chip count is I can throw away my hand if I miss the set and still be in great shape for the tournament. If my opponent misses his set on the 22 hand he is not in nearly as good of shape.

He still have more than enough big blinds. But a tournament specialist can correct me if I am wrong, but I think the difference between $EV and cEV in those cases doesn't differs much?

J8s

What do you mean by dont level yourself? I'm unfamiliar with that term.

'I think that he thinks ...' while villain probably don't think that. For instance, you think villain gets frustrated so he plays light at you, but you overestimate that and I don't think villain is becoming frustrated. So therefore you make wrong assumptions which lead to bad decisions.

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Again why do you hate limping so much?

There are a lot reasons, these are some of them:

-Your goal is to see a cheap flop, however when you limp, people will often raise vs 4x or something so there goes that idea...
-Your limping range is weak. So if I see someone limp I know he has a weak range and I can punish him for that.
-When you raise instead of limping you can win the hand preflop uncontested instead of playing a 3way flop where your only hope is to hit something great. This is especially nice when there are antes etc.
-You lose initiative postflop. When you raise you can easier take down the flop post with a cbet.
-When you raise instead of limping you can easier define the ranges of opponnents.

And there are probably more reasons as to why you shouldn't openlimp. There are some scenario's where overlimping is best, but that is a different story.

JJ

In this case knowing the villain is a loose weak player what hands would you have put him on pre? What would you have put him on as we went through the flop betting sequence?

I don't know, normally I have some more stats I can use to make a estimated guess. 'Loose weak' doesn't really help me.

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07-07-2014 , 06:15 PM

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MrGizzi

enthusiast

Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 93

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Originally Posted by Patje90

Again why do you hate limping so much?

There are a lot reasons, these are some of them:

-Your goal is to see a cheap flop, however when you limp, people will often raise vs 4x or something so there goes that idea...
-Your limping range is weak. So if I see someone limp I know he has a weak range and I can punish him for that.
-When you raise instead of limping you can win the hand preflop uncontested instead of playing a 3way flop where your only hope is to hit something great. This is especially nice when there are antes etc.
-You lose initiative postflop. When you raise you can easier take down the flop post with a cbet.
-When you raise instead of limping you can easier define the ranges of opponnents.

And there are probably more reasons as to why you shouldn't openlimp. There are some scenario's where overlimping is best, but that is a different story.

I agree with Patje on this one for the most part. In live cash games limping is more common and can actually work very well if you balance right. Online is a different world though. Until you are a solid winner I would stay away from open limping.

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