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Old 07-16-2010, 07:11 PM   #151
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Sorry if you discussed this earlier and I missed it, but why not 6-handed sng's?
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Old 07-16-2010, 07:17 PM   #152
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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You are going to put in way more volume or the variance will just make you stop
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not going to make money playing 4 sngs a day, esp at those stakes, aside from the variance.

get PT3, buy it, nuff said. or get parallels desktop and get HEM.
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Old 07-16-2010, 07:18 PM   #153
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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That is correct. Another cooler.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $10.00
UTG: $6.68
Hero (UTG+1): $13.98
UTG+2: $11.81
MP1: $10.12
MP2: $2.17
CO: $9.83
BTN: $10.00
SB: $10.07

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG+1 with 3 3
UTG calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.75) T 3 7 (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.90, MP1 folds, CO folds, UTG calls $0.90

Turn: ($3.55) K (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.55) Q (2 players)
UTG bets $1, Hero calls $1

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Spade turn saved me a couple bucks.
limping 33 in a ring game...? Raise/fold. You clearly need to work on your game if you think limping here is smart.
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Old 07-16-2010, 07:46 PM   #154
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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+1

not going to make money playing 4 sngs a day, esp at those stakes, aside from the variance.

get PT3, buy it, nuff said. or get parallels desktop and get HEM.
Wow, way to respond to 10 pages of someone blog without reading anything but the title. Let me clue you in. I am 8-12 tabling. I care nothing about putting in massive volume quickly as I am not looking to go pro. I have Parallels, I have HEM, and I also have Poker Co-Pilot. Thanks for some useless, uneducated responses that did nothing but waste the time of anyone reading this thread.

In terms of overcalling 33, yup prolly a bad move and it's why I'm playing 10NL not 100NL. I AM NOT A CASH GAME PLAYER as mentioned about 30 times over the last ten pages.
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Old 07-16-2010, 07:52 PM   #155
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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Sorry if you discussed this earlier and I missed it, but why not 6-handed sng's?
Just never really considered them honestly. I think the 9 mans are just as soft, and have much more experience playing regular speed full ring games. I will likely move on to playing 9man turbos soon, but don't really feel the desire to play 6 mans. I think trying to 12+ table 6 mans would be difficult to say the least. Once I've completed my challenege here, it may make the list of to do's along with my HUSNGs.
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Old 07-16-2010, 08:10 PM   #156
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Don't let a guy with 18 posts bother you.

FR cash from EP I probably play AQs+ TT+ and bring it in with a raise. If you like to discuss cash send me a pm.

Nice work and looking forward to future updates!
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Old 07-16-2010, 08:41 PM   #157
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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Wow, way to respond to 10 pages of someone blog without reading anything but the title. Let me clue you in. I am 8-12 tabling. I care nothing about putting in massive volume quickly as I am not looking to go pro. I have Parallels, I have HEM, and I also have Poker Co-Pilot. Thanks for some useless, uneducated responses that did nothing but waste the time of anyone reading this thread.

In terms of overcalling 33, yup prolly a bad move and it's why I'm playing 10NL not 100NL. I AM NOT A CASH GAME PLAYER as mentioned about 30 times over the last ten pages.
Sorry you woke up on the wrong side of the bed and took my response so personally. Maybe I misread. I guess I did according to your thrash-like retort.

Grats on 8-12 tabling, much better than 4. Thought I read 4 somewhere. Doesn't it say 4 tabling in the title? You must have meant something else.

For the 33 hand, all I'm saying is raise in the first place, and if TT 3bets, you can fold and not be too angry about it, thus avoiding a cooler.

Best of luck hotshot.
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Old 07-16-2010, 08:44 PM   #158
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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I will be playing strictly 9 handed single table SNG's, 4 at a time, on FTP at low stakes.
This is what I based my statement on. Take a chill pill.
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Old 07-16-2010, 09:27 PM   #159
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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Just never really considered them honestly. I think the 9 mans are just as soft, and have much more experience playing regular speed full ring games. I will likely move on to playing 9man turbos soon, but don't really feel the desire to play 6 mans. I think trying to 12+ table 6 mans would be difficult to say the least. Once I've completed my challenege here, it may make the list of to do's along with my HUSNGs.
Would 6-man really be that much harder multi-tabling or would it be worth the attempt in terms of volume goals? By my question I'm obviously not a mass tabler, but I am curious of the difference.
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Old 07-16-2010, 09:38 PM   #160
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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Would 6-man really be that much harder multi-tabling or would it be worth the attempt in terms of volume goals? By my question I'm obviously not a mass tabler, but I am curious of the difference.
6 mans are much harder to multitable. The action comes around much faster, which causes trouble in 3 ways.

1st) Hands (and therefore actions) come around significantly faster than in FR games. Playing 20 6max tables is far harder than playing 20 FR tables.

2nd) The already shorthanded games get shorter even faster. A 6m game doesn't last longer than a FR game, in fact, it's shorter. On the flip side, it's shorthanded for longer. You spend much of a 6m sng being 3-5 handed which causes them to move even faster than the equivalent 9m.

3rd) Because the games are shorter, not only is exploiting opponents more important, but stealing blinds is more important (because they come around more often). If you try to steal more, you're playing more hands which causes you to make more decisions.

Players can only multitable up to the point where they have time to make all decisions necessary. 6m games force you to make more decisions and play more hands. They're possible to multitable, but due to speed and hand ranges needed to succeed in 6m they're much harder than multitabling FR.
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Lol I just wrote an essay on something that could have been answered in a sentence...
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Old 07-17-2010, 12:36 AM   #161
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Don't sell yourself short. I, and probably everyone who reads this, like it because you like to hash it out.
I don't multi table S&G's but I play them($6.60 or $13 usually), and I feel that a winning strategy is identify opp playing style, and wait for them to hang themselves. Of course this involves stealing when appropriate, but generally folks are more than willing to overplay top pair. S&G strategy to me rally seems to be a normal TAG variety, get it in ahead, and hope hands hold up.
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Old 07-17-2010, 12:41 AM   #162
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

hey wanna talk about this challenge on skype or something? im doing the exact same thing atm
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:39 AM   #163
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Well, I didn't get anywhere near the volume in that I wanted to this weekend. As a matter of fact, I only played 1 session for about an hour and a half Saturday night. Got crushed early on as I busted off 8 tables within the first 20-25 minutes. Added 8 replacements and wound up positive a few dollars at the completion of 20 tables in an hour and a half (about $7 up).

Not much to say outside of ouch, and chose a few bad spots to make a stand with AK at 25/50, 30/60 blind levels. Anyways, I've updated the basics below, included a SS of Bankroll.

Volume goal so far this month:
July 1-7: 216 games
July 8-14: 161 games
July 15-21: 20 games
Total: 397 of 1000 games 39.7% complete.

Challenge Progress to date:

Days: 60
Games: 1006
Stake: $2.25 Regular Speed 9-mans
Hands: 71,469
Winnings: $107.24
Rakeback: $67.91
Net Profit: $175.15
ROI: 7.74% Incl. Rakeback
BR: $222.47 + (8x3.30 Step 1 Tickets = $26.40) $248.87

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Old 07-19-2010, 10:30 AM   #164
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Wow that graph... Thats a pretty rough breakeven/losing patch, especially after starting out so well.
Are you sure you're still playing your optimal game?

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like you might be be burnt out from the same type of game and autopiloting too much.

Then again it could just be variance.

Eitherway, goodluck and i'm sure you can turn it around.
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:38 AM   #165
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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Wow that graph... Thats a pretty rough breakeven/losing patch, especially after starting out so well.
Are you sure you're still playing your optimal game?

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like you might be be burnt out from the same type of game and autopiloting too much.

Then again it could just be variance.

Eitherway, goodluck and i'm sure you can turn it around.
Included below is my All-In Equity graph from Poker Co-Pilot as well as the $ version from HEM. It's purely variance, although there was a patch there where I was simply running into the top of villain ranges frequently and EV line was pretty flat. Keep in mind that getting flatted preflop by A2 when I'm holding aces and make it $450 to go at $15/30 blinds, villain flats and flop comes 223, and I my aces crack on the flop, reflects negatively against me, as does running QQ into AA/KK repeatedly. Been working on adjusting and passing some marginal +EV spots to lower variance a bit but I still think it's just some SICK runbad.



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Old 07-19-2010, 03:34 PM   #166
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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and chose a few bad spots to make a stand with AK at 25/50, 30/60 blind levels.
Why would you feel it necessary to do this? Do you mean you were getting short?
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Old 07-19-2010, 03:44 PM   #167
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Example (on my phone so no hands to post): Blinds $t25/50, I have $t1200 7 players remain. I'm button with AKos, Donk in EP raises to $t175, mp1 loose passive calls, CO (unknown) calls, I shove to take down the $t600 in the middle and get called by EP1 who has 66 but doesn't know where the fold button is. Several situations like this, where really it was the right play for those opponents as I often dominate their calling range (66+, KQs+, ATs+, AJos+). Anyways just getting caught in bad spots, I could just have easily folded knowing how wide their range is and how often I'm racing but it's still highly +EV to shove. One other time, similar sittuation but initial raiser was a competent 21/14 agg and snaps with AA. Meh.
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Old 07-19-2010, 04:06 PM   #168
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

That is a pretty sick patch of sng's, pretty standard variance though i suppose, guess you just gotta grind through the rough patches, it can't last forever right?

And yeah I know all about those sicko donk hands and I feel your pain.
I'm rootin' for you, just keep bashing your head against those tourneys, gotta make profit eventually .
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Old 07-19-2010, 04:25 PM   #169
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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Example (on my phone so no hands to post): Blinds $t25/50, I have $t1200 7 players remain. I'm button with AKos, Donk in EP raises to $t175, mp1 loose passive calls, CO (unknown) calls, I shove to take down the $t600 in the middle and get called by EP1 who has 66 but doesn't know where the fold button is. Several situations like this, where really it was the right play for those opponents as I often dominate their calling range (66+, KQs+, ATs+, AJos+). Anyways just getting caught in bad spots, I could just have easily folded knowing how wide their range is and how often I'm racing but it's still highly +EV to shove. One other time, similar sittuation but initial raiser was a competent 21/14 agg and snaps with AA. Meh.
You do have good reads on situations, and as you've shown, with a little luck here and there you dominate. From my experience it always seems that multi-way someone is calling here, and the NIT in me dictates that there is a better time to race.
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Old 07-19-2010, 05:10 PM   #170
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You do have good reads on situations, and as you've shown, with a little luck here and there you dominate. From my experience it always seems that multi-way someone is calling here, and the NIT in me dictates that there is a better time to race.
I think its a excellent shove.

For me, not shoving this would be just thinking about results and not the big picture, its a massive + EV shove, wp OP, keep playing good and dont think about results is the way to go
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I think its a excellent shove.

For me, not shoving this would be just thinking about results and not the big picture, its a massive + EV shove, wp OP, keep playing good and dont think about results is the way to go
TY for putting it that way.
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:11 PM   #172
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Agreed. Thanks much for reminding me to think less about results. 16 games completed so far tonight. Things been going well, started off strong, bubble busted on a few and I'll need to review later to see if I could have played them differently, busted on a few marginal EV spots. Anyways, I'm gonna grab some food, drink and smoke and get back at it.
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Old 07-20-2010, 01:00 AM   #173
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

ZOMG. So nice to finally have a good freaking night. Played another 30 games since my previous update, for a total of 46 games played this evening. Ran hot towards the end of my session and managed to take down first place a lot more than 2nd and 3rd. Only 46% ITM so nothing unusual there, but a whopping 27% ROI with a net profit of $27.90 on the evening.

Nice to be back on the right side of variance. Won some key hands heads up and won a good number of 60/40's 3 handed as the short stack in order to get doubled and make a run at the real money. Despite the coolers I received early on in the session, I'm glad I stuck with it, kept my head in the game, and did my best to give some extra thought on marginal situations. It caused me to fold a bit more 5/6 handed and wind up short stacked on the bubble, but these games are so soft, I can wait til 5-6 BB's and get doubled up by ATC virtually all day as long as I'm not running like absolute ass.

Anyways, very excited for a good positive session. BR has hit a new high of $250.37 and still have the 8x 3.30 Step 1 tickets on top of that for an additional $26.40 bringing my total to $276.77 !

Time to catch some rest before work in the morning. Definitely looking forward to a good grind again tomorrow. Oh I almost forgot, volume updates !

Volume goal so far this month:
July 1-7: 216 games
July 8-14: 161 games
July 15-21: 66 games
Total: 443 of 1000 games 44.3% complete.

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Old 07-20-2010, 08:23 AM   #174
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if your running bad do you stop for the day?
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:33 AM   #175
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if your running bad do you stop for the day?
Only if I think my play is being affected by my run-bad, aka tilt. I have this part of my game under very good control now, and until I notice myself making poor decisions, I do NOT stop playing just cause I'm running bad. When you are putting in volume of 20+ games a day (small to some) things will even out eventually, IMPO run bad can only be countered by high volume, hence continuing to play and fight through it when you know you are making the correct decisions. If I ever find myself mucking cause I know I just can't win, or shoving pre when I should be raising for value, I know then that it is time to take a break and calm down before playing more.
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