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Old 07-09-2010, 11:17 PM   #126
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Thanks for the advice, still trying to decide whether to use poker copilot or PT3. Keep on rollin!
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Old 07-11-2010, 10:00 AM   #127
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Alright alright, I'm actually up before noon on a Sunday, this is incredible. Wife is out (headed to church) gonna fire me up some bacon and eggs and start up a good session. Wish me luck !
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Old 07-11-2010, 12:14 PM   #128
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Alrighty, morning session complete. Got 16 games in 9 tabling in just under 2 hours.

16 Games Played
56% ITM
45% ROI
$16.20 NET
New BR: $241.43 [NEW HIGH]

Had a few hands from the session to review, but was playing pretty darn good. Caught some good hands in key spots, also lost a few hands in key spots. Anyways, may update at the end of my session review, otherwise probably not until my next session. Nice to finally have a decent session.

Felt like I was playing much better short handed and focusing more on those tables by playing a bit tighter in general in the early stages on other games. Lately I'd been busting in 3-5 alot, so wanted to focus on those stages and sure enough, only one 3rd place bust and snagged 1/2 on the rest (unless I busted pre-money). Still think I bubbled twice, but such is the nature of playing super tight early.

Best of luck to all.
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Old 07-11-2010, 12:42 PM   #129
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

thats a pretty good morning session for micros....good luck with the rest of your day
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Old 07-11-2010, 10:12 PM   #130
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Old 07-12-2010, 12:32 AM   #131
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Sometimes I just hate this motha ****ing game.

Talk about some run bade. Just a few minor examples below. BTW - 13 AK's in this session, flopped an ace or a king ONE ****ING TIME ! Every C-bet dry flop that I missed got called. Nothing working right. Ready to ****ing shoot myself.


Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t1965 M = 26.20
BTN: t930 M = 12.40
SB: t2880 M = 38.40
BB: t1175 M = 15.67
Hero (UTG): t1380 M = 18.40
UTG+1: t3950 M = 52.67
MP: t1220 M = 16.27

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to t150, 3 folds, BTN calls t150, SB calls t125, 1 fold

Flop: (t500) 7 5 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t500, BTN calls t500, SB calls t500

Turn: (t2000) 6 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t730 all in, BTN calls t280 all in, SB folds

River: (t2560) 8 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t2560
BTN shows 8 A (three of a kind, Eights)
Hero shows T T (two pair, Tens and Eights)
BTN wins t2560



Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t60/t120 Blinds - 3 players
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BB: t4225 M = 23.47
Hero (BTN): t5885 M = 32.69
SB: t3390 M = 18.83

Pre Flop: (t180) Hero is BTN with T 8
Hero raises to t300, 1 fold, BB calls t180

Flop: (t660) 7 T J (2 players)
BB bets t120, Hero raises to t560, BB calls t440

Turn: (t1780) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t820, BB calls t820

River: (t3420) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Final Pot: t3420
BB shows A Q (a straight, Ace high)
Hero shows T 8 (a pair of Tens)
BB wins t3420


and one more for ya



Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 8 players
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MP2: t2560 M = 17.07
CO: t1025 M = 6.83
BTN: t1630 M = 10.87
SB: t1555 M = 10.37
BB: t860 M = 5.73
Hero (UTG): t3165 M = 21.10
UTG+1: t2090 M = 13.93
MP1: t615 M = 4.10

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is UTG with A A
Hero calls t100, 5 folds, SB raises to t500, 1 fold, Hero raises to t3165 all in, SB calls t1055 all in

Flop: (t3210) 3 8 K

Turn: (t3210) J

River: (t3210) Q

Final Pot: t3210
SB shows J J (three of a kind, Jacks)
Hero shows A A (a pair of Aces)
SB wins t3210


Did my best to turn a good winning day into a losing one in a short 10 game session and I definitely succeeded. Still on one table $t80/160 blinds, 8 players left, and seeing as I can't win a coinflip and I'm short stacked, that'll be about all she wrote for tonight.

Seriously hate this mother****ing game.

Assuming I don't cash, I'm down -$2.70 on the day after 26 games. and back down to a sweet BR of $222.53. /shoot self

Speak of the devil. 50/40 villain SB shoves in my BB. I insta-snap as his range here is 22+ TJ+ A5+


Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 6 players - View hand 799006
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MP: t2495 M = 8.32
CO: t550 M = 1.83
BTN: t2320 M = 7.73
SB: t2535 M = 8.45
Hero (BB): t1760 M = 5.87
UTG: t3840 M = 12.80

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BB with 9 9
4 folds, SB raises to t2535 all in, Hero calls t1560 all in

Flop: (t3520) 7 6 2

Turn: (t3520) K

River: (t3520) T

Final Pot: t3520
SB shows A T (a pair of Tens)
Hero shows 9 9 (a pair of Nines)
SB wins t3520

I'm out til tomorrow. Hope yall are running better than me. Hate my ****ing luck

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Old 07-12-2010, 04:57 PM   #132
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Different mental tricks work for different people, of course, but maybe try one that works for me to stave off tilt: When I get outdrawn(and everyone does, nothing you can do to prevent it), I remind myself that I got my $$ in with the best of it, and that is what the goal is. Sometimes the stars in their courses conspire against us, and all you can do is work hard to play your best - which is what you appear to be doing.
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:31 PM   #133
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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Different mental tricks work for different people, of course, but maybe try one that works for me to stave off tilt: When I get outdrawn(and everyone does, nothing you can do to prevent it), I remind myself that I got my $$ in with the best of it, and that is what the goal is. Sometimes the stars in their courses conspire against us, and all you can do is work hard to play your best - which is what you appear to be doing.
Yeah it doesn't bother me nearly as much as it used to. In the past after a suckout like that, I'd have gone and thrown my whole roll on one cash table and have doubled up or gone broke in a matter of 5/6 hands. At least I can control now. Still pisses me off a bit though lol...

Anyways, I know that in time, it'll even itself out. Still -50 BI's over the last 650 games now though which is bothering me. Anyways, gonna get in a good grind session tonight. Eventually it'll even out, I almost honestly hope that I don't feel the positive side of variance for another 1000 games, as by then I'll have generated another $150 in RB and be rolled for the $5.50's. Then I can start the $5.50's and have variance swing my way really fast and be rolled for the 10's within a week or two !

That's my new goal , haha.

Anyways, probably time I pick up The Poker Mindset or another psych/tilt control book. Will probably help with my live game a bit too.

Games Played:

July 1-7: 216 games, net -$12.60 (21.6% of monthly volume goal)
July 8-15 so far: 61 games, net -$6.96 (21.6%+6.1% = 27.7% of monthly volume goal)
(profit/loss does not include rakeback)

And thanks for the idea JDawg. I like that argument for stacking, although I still can't stand not being able to act ahead of the game. Maybe one day I'll give that a shot again, but will do my best not to look at a table once I've made my play. The reason I tell myself that I am looking, is simply so that I know if I am accurately assessing villain ranges and for the opportunities to take notes. Still not a bad idea to just close my eyes and open up another table if I notice an empty spot.

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Old 07-12-2010, 05:35 PM   #134
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

dont watch all in hands imo. I stack for that reason no matter how many tables im playing and i dont watch (plus im usually 20+ tabling)
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Old 07-12-2010, 07:11 PM   #135
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

I know how you feel...Another trick that might work for you is tracking your gains/losses as buy ins rather than actual dollar amounts.
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Old 07-12-2010, 10:19 PM   #136
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

I just don't want to track my gains losses anymore lol. Going to take a break from even looking at my BR. Will post any hands that I feel are pertinent on the day, but will only look at BR once a week. (after tonights update)

Another down session tonight.

36 games played tonight
Lost roughly 5 buy-ins
Was hitting top of villain ranges and frequently shoving hands like ATs AJs on the bubble and losing to an AK or KK. Nothing too major, a couple sick suckouts as expected, but oh well. I'm happy with my play and looking forward to tomorrow's grind.

July 1-7: 216 games, net -$12.60 (21.6% of monthly volume goal)
July 8-15 so far: 97 games, net -$19.56 (21.6%+9.7% = 31.3% of monthly volume goal)
(profit/loss does not include rakeback)

I think I'm gonna go play some $2.20 180 mans on stars for the remainder of the evening, prolly only launch 6-8 games and call it a night.

Best of luck all.
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Old 07-12-2010, 11:47 PM   #137
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

So I did head over to stars as previously mentioned however decided to take it easy and just book a winner playing some 5NL instead of $2 180's. Was running nine tables and finished up 2 solid BI's after 582 hands. Ran 13/9 and have included 2 interesting hands below. Beat up on a reg on one hand so that excited me as I haven't been playing cash as of late. What can I say, JDawg inspired me. Feels good to book a winning session btw.

Reg is 14/11 2.86 3bet over 1100 or so hands. I'd been pretty aggressive on the button on all my tables, stealing blinds all over the place and I'd think he knew this...Anyways...it doesn't hurt to have a real hand on occasion either. I chose to just flat his PF re-raise as I think that is more discouraging to him than me 4-betting, not to mention if he re-shoves I think I gotta scram with JJ here. No special tells but just figure he's gotta be making a move at my steal.


Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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UTG+1: $12.97
MP1: $1.58
MP2: $2.05
CO: $5.00
Hero (BTN): $5.37
SB: $5.29
BB: $16.91
UTG: $4.33

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with J J
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.55, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.12) 8 K 7 (2 players)
BB bets $0.60, Hero raises to $1.50, BB folds

There is a very real possibility that he had QQ (a real hand) here and the king saved me some money. Also possible he had TT/99 and the King killed my action. Either way, his flop bet felt soft, so I figured I'd drop in a raise. If he shoves, I know I'm beat and can muck, turns out, he didn't have AK, KK or AA, about all I can say at this point.

Next hand was a **** up mis-click on my part. Went to go raise but hit the call button as I reached for the slider. I can see flatting here on occasion but against an unknown I should be re-bumping this all day and willing to call a shove.

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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BTN: $9.25
SB: $5.00
Hero (BB): $6.07
UTG: $5.48
UTG+1: $13.52
MP1: $12.50
MP2: $5.65
CO: $5.01

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 6 5
5 folds, BTN calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.12) 6 7 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.12) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.05, Hero calls $0.05

River: ($0.22) K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.15, BTN raises to $0.35, Hero calls $0.20

Spoiler:


One more hand qualifies under the category of "what the **** was that guy thinking?"

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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UTG+2: $11.43
MP1: $5.00
MP2: $23.81
CO: $1.93
BTN: $12.50
SB: $6.76
BB: $7.01
UTG: $12.92
Hero (UTG+1): $6.20

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG+1 with Q A
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.50) A 3 K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, MP2 calls $0.30, SB calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.40) 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.20, SB raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $0.80, MP2 folds, SB calls $0.30

River: ($3.20) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:


MP2 wasn't a reg that I recognized but was playing solid. Didn't want to get too cute or build too big of a pot with this one. Then again, how am I supposed to recognize the regs at 5NL on a site I rarely play on, and when I do I don't play cash, and when I do play cash it's somewhere between 2NL and 10NL? SB was obviously a tard and has been noted as such for future reference. LOL...Anyways still don't know wtf that guy was thinking.

Anyways, I'm out for the evening. Nite all, hopefully I can turn things around on the STT front tomorrow. No more bankroll looking !

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Old 07-13-2010, 11:46 PM   #138
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OK. So I officially suck at STT's. I'm seriously beginning to think there is a massive flaw in my game considering I'm -20 BI's over the last 700 or so games. I just don't get it. Anyways, ran like absolute ass tonight. Lost more hands as a dominating favorite than I think I had all year til now. Not going to look at my BR but I'd guesstimate my loss somewhere around 10 BI's. I'm sure once again it's well below EV.

I think I'm going to have to take a break for a week to re-coup, but not sure I want to jeopardize Iron Man in order to play on a different roll. I have like 40 hands I marked from tonight where I got sucked out on. One that I mis-played. Will post the one I mis-played and save the others for the BBV threads. Sick of agonizing over the losses anyways, I just don't understand why they always feel bigger than the wins. I think I just hate to lose. Tons of hands tonight where I was forced to play making +EV shoves, but my A9 runs into AT etc.

Anyways, I've posted my biggest fail blog hand of the night below. Standard way ahead, way behind situation, and I shoved while way behind. No reason for me to have called PF in the first place, but I did, so I should have been smart enough to just call or fold on the flop. Anyways, I didn't and it cost me the tourney cause I'm a ****** and was massively tilting.

Guy's stats were pretty standard as I remember, too lazy to pull up HEM at the moment. I couldn't tell if the min-bet on the flop was weak or strong, regardless if I wanted to raise, I shoulda roughed it to $800 or something and mucked to a shove. Like a lazy stupid **** I shove instead and lose my stack to his...read below. Knocked out a few hands later when I shove 88 vs A8 and he rivers the Ace...

Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t120/t240 Blinds - 4 players
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CO: t2535 M = 7.04
BTN: t3615 M = 10.04
SB: t3495 M = 9.71
Hero (BB): t3855 M = 10.71

Pre Flop: (t360) Hero is BB with 5 6
CO raises to t480, 2 folds, Hero calls t240

Flop: (t1080) 2 6 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t240, Hero raises to t3375 all in, CO calls t1815 all in

Turn: (t5190) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t5190) J (2 players - 2 are all in)

Spoiler:


Will try to figure out if I really need a break from STT's or maybe just drop down to 4 tables or something for a little while to see if I can't pull things back in line. I don't know why I keep convincing myself I'm playing poorly, but it's simply not the case. My EV line has been pretty mediocre as of late, but I've been seeing a lot of the top of villains ranges, in addition to pot committing myself preflop and villain flops it...Like the AA vs A2 hand the other day where villain and I have $t1500, I 3b to 450 he flats, flop 223. I shove he insta calls and turns up A2... All-In equity line doesn't take that crap into account either and it happens way too much. Good example today was a pot committed raise PF with AA on bubble, BB calls. Flop comes AT9 all hearts. He shoves, I insta-call and he turns up Qh2h, like seriously wtf...

Anyways, done ranting for now. Talk to yall tomorrow, someone please save me from this **** ass luck **** bastard *****.
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:54 PM   #139
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

keep grinding; ive dropped over 1k the last 3 days and i know im playing pretty much fine. I reviewed my hands and saw a few spots where i needed to tighten up.

Oh and be confident in your game, it never is good to not be
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keep grinding; ive dropped over 1k the last 3 days and i know im playing pretty much fine. I reviewed my hands and saw a few spots where i needed to tighten up.

Oh and be confident in your game, it never is good to not be
Thanks for the encouragement man. I know I'm playing well, but hard not to doubt yourself during a 700 game break-even swing. If I was putting in more volume, say 150 games a day, it wouldn't bother me so much, but at my measly 25-35 games per day, it seems like it's lasting forever.

Oh and I just recently tightened my game up by a little bit as well in a few areas. Noticed I was shoving a little light right at 10BB's 4/5 handed, as well as tightened up my starting game so I'm really only playing AA/KK/QQ and AK in position. Pretty much ditched playing AQ and JJ as much as possible, as while I'm frequently ahead of villain, it's too easy to take myself out of the hand and have wasted chips when playing 30-50 bb's deep. Hopefully things turn around soon, as I'm dying to move up, tempted to just deposit another $250 into my account and make the move, but I set myself a goal with specific guidelines and intend to adhere to them.

Once again, hoping tomorrow will bring about some better luck.
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Old 07-14-2010, 02:13 AM   #141
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Ok so I cheated and looked. It actually makes me a little happier to see that I wasn't playing as +EV as I thought. Anyways, over the last 700ish games that are loaded in my HEM (doesn't include the first $250 games in which I made $100 and HEM had me dead even on EV at the end of it...). Pretty pictures are below, so I'll save on the words this time. First chart is todays graph and the nasty variance I experienced.






Pretty much says it all. Discount when I was playing 12-16 tables which I have determined for the moment is not in my repertoire, you could remove $50 worth of losses and break even EV play over 200 games. Anyways, just wanted to provide a clue to ya'll what I am dealing with. I have read rumors of breakeven runs in excess of 5k games, but I wouldn't really expect that at the $2 level as those runs have all come from players at the $50+ level that average 3% ROI's not 8-12% which is what I should be beating the $2's at and probably am beating them at if you adjust in the first few hundred games I played which for some reason, I can't get HEM to find the old database of (pretty sure I lost it when I swapped comps).

Anyways, still hoping things will turn around in the coming days/weeks. Per JDawgs advice, I will stick with the grind and my original plans to continue to play the $2.25's until my BR exceeds $375 at which point I will shot-take at the $5's unless I drop 16 buy-ins (BR back down to $290) and will wait until it exceeds $375 to try again. Just wish I could put in more volume without having to play more tables. I am certainly much more confident in my 9 table tiled game than I am in my 12-16 cascade game. Maybe it's time for another monitor? Not sure how much that would help though as that would require a ton of mouse movement. Anyways, until next time.

(P.S. Peaked at my BR on accident, somewhere in the $190 range). I'm no longer tracking this statistic in my blog and trying not to look at the cashier until I have reason to believe I'm ready to move up.

Good night all.

Edit: 420'th post. If only I had the goods... God that would be nice right now.
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Blake, I'd suggest you try stacking.
I used to cascade as well, but I like stacking now.


I do 8 tables usually right now(because of internet connection), soon 12. But what I do(I have like a 15" screen at best, laptop.) is just make 4 piles(one at each corner), so its only 2-3 games on each spot for me. And when I get deep or if for whatever reason I want to be able to see a couple quickly that are on top of each other, I just basically cascade it myself, cause it just takes a second to drag it down a centimeter.
I used to also prefer tile, but I hated how small the tables would be.
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Blake, I'd suggest you try stacking.
I used to cascade as well, but I like stacking now.


I do 8 tables usually right now(because of internet connection), soon 12. But what I do(I have like a 15" screen at best, laptop.) is just make 4 piles(one at each corner), so its only 2-3 games on each spot for me. And when I get deep or if for whatever reason I want to be able to see a couple quickly that are on top of each other, I just basically cascade it myself, cause it just takes a second to drag it down a centimeter.
I used to also prefer tile, but I hated how small the tables would be.
The size of the tables bothers me a little, especially as running 9 on my 15" laptop overlap a tiny bit so it bugs out my HUD until I click on the table. My primary reason that I like to tile though, is so that I can act ahead on hands as soon as I'm dealt cards, allowing me more time to focus on tables with fewer players, marginal situations, or hands that I want to play. I don't mind your idea of stacking in 4 different spots though. When I had tried stacking previously, I had stacked 16 tables all on top of each other. That idea might actually work for me. You could be my hero Chris !

Will probably give that a shot tomorrow; will stack 4 corners of the screen with 3 tables each, allowing me 33% more volume. If I like it, I'll obviously take it up to 16 tables+.

One question for you, do you just save this as a custom view after you set it up originally? I'm assuming there's no default for it obviously, and as I'm winding down my sessions, I always tend to move tables around or re-tile so **** is never in the right places when I fire it up again.

Thanks again for the tip man.
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Old 07-14-2010, 02:52 AM   #144
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

No problem =D, I really like my setup, though most big grinders just do 1 or 2 stacks.

I like to act early also, at least early in the sng stages(also when I normally have more tables), but usually if I get to a tough spot and I see other tables flashing and I quick move there and fold/raise/shove quickly and go back and think about the other one, so it works well.

I don't have it saved or anything.. I play on stars and for whatever reason, when an sng opens it goes in the top left corner, then bottom right, then top right, then bottom left. So it makes 4 stacks, and then the 5th tables goes top left, and so on. All I do, is I shrink the table a bit, just for a little less overlap, but its not really necessary. I also tend to shrink each table a bit of a different size, so I can click from table to table(like its cascaded pretty much, but they are also stacked)

So, I guess in a way, my idea uses all 3 ways to setup tables =P, maybe thats why I like it.


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Old 07-15-2010, 01:49 AM   #145
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Hey BAEV, I know exactly how you feel; these swings can be pretty demoralizing without volume. Hope rung00t comes your way soon.

Side Note: I wouldn't limit yourself to only playing AA/KK/QQ/AK during the early stages. I've also been grinding micro stake SnGs and I've noticed you can get a lot of value from AQ, JJ, TT, you just have to be able to pick your spots and opponents (I'm usually open raising those hands/dumping if not). I'm going to be grinding a lot more $2.25s on FTP for the rest of the month, so hopefully we don't match up too much.

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Side Note: I wouldn't limit yourself to only playing AA/KK/QQ/AK during the early stages. I've also been grinding micro stake SnGs and I've noticed you can get a lot of value from AQ, JJ, TT, you just have to be able to pick your spots and opponents (I'm usually open raising those hands/dumping if not). I'm going to be grinding a lot more $2.25s on FTP for the rest of the month, so hopefully we don't match up too much.
I understand wanting to play AQ/JJ/TT at the earlier stages, but I frequently find myself in tough spots against unknowns. I would highly recommend playing these hands at higher stakes when you have some info on most of the opposition, but at the $2.25's usually 6-7 of the players at the table are unknowns. Let me give you an example of why I don't like to play these at the first couple blind stages.

You are in MP with JJ.
Blinds are 20/40.
UTG (unknown limps) $t40.
You raise to $t180.
Button (unknown) Calls
BB (unknown) Calls
UTG limper calls
Pot now contains $t740
Flop 63T
BB bets $t240, UTG shoves, what do you do? This is obviously an ideal flop for your hand, and it's likely that you are best, but it'll cost you your tournament life to find out if UTG is shoving a flush draw or if he actually has a set here. Say for example, you call this time with your over pair and then BB calls too. UTG flips up AT, BB flips over KQ of hearts. Below pic illustrates odds when you make the call here.



Another example, same hand.
Flop 2T8
Checks to you, do you bet his flop, well of course, you hit your hand. Pot contains $t740, you have $1320 remaining. I'd bet about $t500 here. You bet $t500, button calls, BB and UTG fold.
Pot is now $t1740
Turn K
Now what, you have $t820 remaining, but the worst possible turn card just hit the board, a spade overcard that could have hit a floated AK/KQ or flush draw. The only hands you can beat now is TJ, TQ, AT.
You opt to check, and button shoves. You are being offered better than 3 to 1, had an over pair on the flop, but now may or may not be beat. Unfortunately, against an unknown at this stake, this is probably a puke fold. You fold and button shows. Or you call and...

You call, Opponent shows KT and you just went busto on the second blind level.

My primary reasons for tightening up more PF in the first 2 levels of play, is to avoid tough situations. When running 12 tables, I simply don't have the patience nor desire to put myself in these tough spots. If I was only playing 4/6 tables and had time to pay attention to each opponents actions over 10 hands, I wouldn't mind playing these. In addition to just playing QQ/KK/AA and AK in position, I am also willing to play small PP's in limped pots hoping to hit my sets obviously. IE on the button with 66, 4 limpers in front of me, I'll gladly toss in $t30/$t40 to see a flop, especially if the blinds are passive which most are at this level of play.

I just don't want to have to put myself into marginal post flop situations. It takes more work, and isn't as +EV as I think. Obviously, contradictory to the hands I illustrated above, there will be plenty of times where you just get a caller out of the blinds and they check/fold to your cbet on the flop.

I try to think of this more through an ICM perspective, where chips lost in the early stages are more valuable than the chips you win in the early stages. I'd rather wait it out, as at this stake, I can pretty easily fold my way to final 4/5 players and still have $t1100-1200 chips to start playing with when I have 10-15 BB's left, making decisions much easier with less difficult SPR situations.

Anyways, just my two cents.

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Ya I definitely see what you are saying in your examples. There's a lot of family pots and people trying to bust you with any two suited cards. I usually play the hands I mentioned in late position and only if I'm opening/one loose limper to avoid multiway pots like these. I just wouldn't want to limit yourself on just playing premiums because, for me, my hand strength depends on position/how many people in the pot/who is in the pot already.

Ex1: I'm MP2 with AQs first blind level: UTG limps, UTG+1 over calls, and it is folded to me. I fold to avoid what could be a trouble situation and perserve my chips for a spot where I can get it in better.

Ex 2: I'm MP2 with AQs first blind level again: folded around MP1 who is playing 30/13 limps. I would isolate here to get value from his Ax.

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Ex 2: I'm MP2 with AQs first blind level again: folded around MP1 who is playing 30/13 limps. I would isolate here to get value from his Ax.
AQs to me is borderline, depending on villain I would probably treat it the same. In general I have become a little tighter, but I still take advantage of the loose passives as my cards and position permit.

On a completely different note, I had a good session last night. Played for roughly 2 hours, got 27 games in, cashed on a handful, took down a couple first places and ended up a few buy-ins I'm sure. I'm not looking at the cashier at the moment, but I'd estimate I'm probably a little over $200. I'm not looking at my charts or basic stats in my trackers, just straight to hand histories for review. Will likely pass on a BR update on Sunday. Not many hands of special interest last night as I was playing pretty solid and didn't have any trouble spots that I recall (will know more once I do a proper weekly review on Saturday). Anyways, started following Chris' advice of tiling 4 tables and then stacking on top of those 4. Ran 12 with no sweat at all, while I had 16 up for a little while, I think I will pass on that for the moment. Was heads up on two, in the money on 2, and bubble on 2 or 3 while 16 tabling and it was extremely difficult for me to keep up and I didn't even have to play a ton of hands on other tables to make it hard. Will stick to 12 for now.

My set up looks like this now:

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Anyways, should get another reasonable session in this evening after wake-boarding, assuming my ankle isn't any worse off (I think it's sprained but doesn't bother me too much, just swollen as hell).

P.S. Forgot to mention, I cashed in 3500 FTP Academy points earned through completing the Middle Stage SNG challenge 10 times and got myself 6 Step 1 tickets ($3.30) to play with. Off to the next SNG Challenge (250 pointer). Also cashed in a few iron medals I had lying around for an additional 2 or 3 $3.30 Step 1 tickets (haven't cleared to my account yet).
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Old 07-16-2010, 12:13 AM   #149
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Took the night off tonight. Had to do some grocery shopping so got home an hour or so later than usual. Went wakeboarding once home and didn't finish dinner until around 10:00. Had a few drinks, played some COD: MWF2 and had some fun. Need to step up the volume soon in order to accomplish my monthly goal of 1000 games.

Volume goal so far this month:
July 1-7: 216 games
July 8-14: 161 games
Total: 377 of 1000 games 37.7% complete.

Definitely slacked on the volume this week. Hopefully I should have some time this weekend to make up. Next weekend I probably won't be able to play much as it's the wife's b-day and our anniversary 3 days later.

Challenge Progress to date:

Days: 56
Games: 986
Stake: $2.25 Regular Speed 9-mans
Hands: 70,138
Winnings: $100.04
Rakeback: $60.27 ($10.74 will be paid Friday)
Net Profit: $160.31
ROI: 7.2% Incl. Rakeback
BR: $204.53 (215.27 after tomorrow RB deposit)

As previously stated and shown, well below EV, roughly $100 over 650 games. If I was running even with EV, my ROI would be 11.74% which is still well below where I want it to be. Subtract my mistake of trying to 16 table (-$44), and I'd be 13.7% after rakeback, which to me would be acceptable.

As previously stated, will continue to grind until I hit my BR goal and then move up from there. Continuing my train of thought that STT's may not be where I want to focus my time over the long run, but for now, I'll keep at it.
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Old 07-16-2010, 11:41 AM   #150
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Just gotta keep working man. You may be on the verge of a heater from hell.
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