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Old 05-27-2010, 01:59 AM   #26
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

this is not hard at all... especially w/ $50.. it's not really a challenge if you're an okay player. but your hardest stage should be the road from 50 to 150.. after that is a breeze
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:02 AM   #27
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this is not hard at all... especially w/ $50.. it's not really a challenge if you're an okay player. but your hardest stage should be the road from 50 to 150.. after that is a breeze
It's more of a challenge to me to force myself to only play single table SNG's (no cash) and to practice good BRM. The actual objective of turning $50 to $500-$1000 is not that difficult, it's just the avenue I have taken to get there that will take some time. Also, I'm trying to maintain an ROI of 15% or greater over 1000 games, which is a difficult task in itself. I will likely wind up around 10% when all is said and done, but I want 15% .

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Old 05-27-2010, 09:22 AM   #28
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Making an adjustment to my BRM requirements. Instead of looking for 50 buy-ins in order to move up, I will be waiting for at least 100 buy-ins. I will not take the risk of getting busted by ugly variance. I have also for the time being, increased from 4 tables at a time to 6, and this will likely bump up to 8-10 tables. I am not playing "continuous" SNG's (buying into a new tournament while a current set is running) I am instead, playing a set at a time, then taking a couple minute break. I find I play much better short handed when playing sets as my table awareness is much better, additionally, having less tables once in the money should increase my average payout position as I can better focus on bubble and ITM situations.

The new buy-in requirements means I will be playing $2.25 until my BR reaches $550. If it drops below $400, I will drop back down to the $2.25. At this stage, I will also mix in 45 man SNG's with buy-ins of $1-3. Once my BR reaches $1,000, I will continue to play $5.50 but will start to mix in some 18/27/45 man SNG's as well. Once I have a $1,500 BR I will move up to $10 buy-in 9 handed, continue to play 45 man for $5.50.

When BR breaks $4,000 I will then move up to $20 single table SNG and will maintain a 200 buy-in minimum in order to advance in stakes from then on.

Obviously, I am still profitable at the moment, but my EV chart reminds me clearly of how ugly things can be over a long period of time.

Will take me awhile longer to build a BR with these new requirements, but I have all the time in the world as I am in no rush for any of the funds earned via online play.

Revised end goal, $5,000 BR by June 2011.

In order to accomplish my goal, I intend to play a minimum of 100 games a week, and I will NOT, no matter how good I may be running, or how fast my BR has grown, increase stakes until I have demonstrated a double digit ROI on a sample of 1000 games minimum at current buy-in levels. If I can't reach double digit returns, I may be stuck at a particular stake for 2,500 games until I talk myself into recognizing 5-9% ROI as still being above average, and act accordingly.

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Old 05-27-2010, 11:24 AM   #29
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

ne br approach sounds good especially since u added tables...gl dude !
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Old 05-27-2010, 07:01 PM   #30
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Not read through all the other posts but for SNGs you need to play as many as possible since the edge in each one is so small (10% ROI). You really need to think about upping the number you play from 4.
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Old 05-27-2010, 07:11 PM   #31
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

just curious as to if you're playing the 2.25 turbos or regulars.
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Old 05-27-2010, 08:06 PM   #32
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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just curious as to if you're playing the 2.25 turbos or regulars.
Been wondering this myself.

Nice BR guidelines (your adjusted guidelines).
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Old 05-28-2010, 12:11 AM   #33
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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Been wondering this myself.

Nice BR guidelines (your adjusted guidelines).
Regulars. I understand that the turbos may yield me a slightly higher hourly, but right now I am most concerned with overall ROI. Once my BR is sufficient, I may take a shot at turbo's and compare hourly's then. I always felt there was a bit more luck in turbo's and like the added early maneuverability of regular SNG's.

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Old 05-28-2010, 12:21 AM   #34
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

not more luck in turbos, but more variance.

in the end, hourly rate should be the most important thing. learning turbos would be a really good idea imo.
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Old 05-28-2010, 01:02 AM   #35
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not more luck in turbos, but more variance.

in the end, hourly rate should be the most important thing. learning turbos would be a really good idea imo.
This, I've been playing the turbos and been doing pretty well. Small sample size so far though.
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:39 AM   #36
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

New challenge. DO NOT SUCK.

Variance kicking my ass over the short term (12 games tonight and man were they painful. A total of 3 cashes in 12 games, all second place.







Oh well...

Bankroll $60.81. Thankfully, with the long weekend, I should have a chance to grind a bit on Sunday and/or Monday if I don't go play live. Next week I'm off Thursday/Friday and should get some good time in then as well. Hopefully variance will catch my side for a few tourneys.

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Old 05-28-2010, 05:40 AM   #37
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

How many games/day are you playing about?

I'm also grinding SNG's and I play the turbo's mainly because of the time constraints on the regulars. Obviously the regulars can be better(especially at the lower stakes) because so many people are basically going to knock themselves out, so you can sit back and play premium hands.
BUT, if you are going to do this, I suggest you play a lot at once, especially since if you are doing that you won't get tons of action.

I play the turbo's, 18mans usually and though I started at 2 tables I've worked my way up to 6-8 tables and really learning them.

Bad beats seem to be a diesease lately, everybody taking them :P, just gotta keep up the volume and work out of it. I've lost half my BR in the past 3 days due to a terrible downswing.
Keep fighting!
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:02 AM   #38
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How many games/day are you playing about?

I'm also grinding SNG's and I play the turbo's mainly because of the time constraints on the regulars. Obviously the regulars can be better(especially at the lower stakes) because so many people are basically going to knock themselves out, so you can sit back and play premium hands.
BUT, if you are going to do this, I suggest you play a lot at once, especially since if you are doing that you won't get tons of action.

I play the turbo's, 18mans usually and though I started at 2 tables I've worked my way up to 6-8 tables and really learning them.

Bad beats seem to be a diesease lately, everybody taking them :P, just gotta keep up the volume and work out of it. I've lost half my BR in the past 3 days due to a terrible downswing.
Keep fighting!
My goal is a minimum of 100 games per week. I have not hit that goal yet as I tend to be pretty busy, although I just started the challenge this week.

I was just 4 tabling, but that's too slow for me in these tourneys. Bumped it up to 6 for the moment, but should be playing 8-10 in the next week or two. I used to 12-16 table cash games, so I'm sure I can handle the action as long as I keep playing in sets instead of continuously adding when I bust.

Waiting on a cable in the mail so I can connect my MacBook Air to my TV in order to tile more tables. Yes, yes, I know stacking is more efficient for most, but I can't pay attention to any particular player if I'm stacking vs tiling. Tiling allows me to see the overly obvious fish, stats included, and take advantage of that when necessary. IE, 10 hands into a tourney, two guys could have a VPIP of 80, but that doesn't mean they are both ******s who don't know any better, one guy could just be on a heater, and it's nice for me to be able to recognize a heater vs a donk spewing chips left and right.

As I stated earlier, I will probably mess around with turbos when my BR breaks $250 or I've completed 1000 tourneys at current stake and regular blind structure. It would purely be an experiment to determine better hourly rates. I think hourly can be higher in turbos but I definitely have more experience with a standard blind structure.

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Old 05-28-2010, 11:19 PM   #39
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

First set today was more of what I saw yesterday. Think I cashed on one for 3rd place for nearly -5 BI's. 2nd set worked out much better, cashed on 4/6 but no first place. Third set by far the best, cashed on 5/6 with 2 #1, 1 #2, and 2 #3.

BR up to $83.31 from $43 low I hit from the $50 deposit, before I loaded Poker Co-Pilot.



FYI Today's winnings include my last set of tourneys from last night. I haven't messed around with Co-Pilot enough yet to start/end sessions... Should probably get on that...

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Old 05-30-2010, 12:22 AM   #40
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Douched is really all I have to say. Got bad beat out of 3 tourneys in my first set. Cashed in one for 2nd place. Load up my next set, and first hand on two tourneys, busted. One with KK vs AA, another QQ vs KK.

Sick.

At least my QQ held up on one of the others first hand... although, it's the one where the money didn't get in PF and only won 400 chips lawlz...

Will update with days progress in a bit.

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Old 05-30-2010, 12:53 AM   #41
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Douched is really all I have to say. Got bad beat out of 3 tourneys in my first set. Cashed in one for 2nd place. Load up my next set, and first hand on two tourneys, busted. One with KK vs AA, another QQ vs KK.

Sick.

At least my QQ held up on one of the others first hand... although, it's the one where the money didn't get in PF and only won 400 chips lawlz...

Will update with days progress in a bit.

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Full Tilt Poker $2 + $0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: t2840 M = 18.93
UTG: t1645 M = 10.97
UTG+1: t980 M = 6.53
MP1: t2065 M = 13.77
MP2: t530 M = 3.53
CO: t1760 M = 11.73
BTN: t420 M = 2.80
Hero (SB): t3260 M = 21.73

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is SB with K A
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t980 all in, 4 folds, Hero calls t930, 1 fold

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Old 05-30-2010, 03:44 AM   #42
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Seem to be taking some sick beats man.
I was in your spot too, and when I was taking beats I began to re-check my shove and call ranges for MTT's, which helped a lot.

Your beats seem to be obv. calls/shoves though, so then just be happy if you get it in ahead, you did the job.

First hand of tourny, dang. That really stinks.
TBH, I hate when I have a great hand the first hand of tournies cause so many people are willing to flip and suck on ya then.
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Old 05-30-2010, 03:53 AM   #43
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

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TBH, I hate when I have a great hand the first hand of tournies cause so many people are willing to flip and suck on ya then.
that sounds wonderful. not something to be hated.
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Old 05-30-2010, 11:05 PM   #44
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that sounds wonderful. not something to be hated.
Goes both ways. Just sucks be getting it in with the worst of it too. I know most players are willing to gamble first hand, why I didn't mind getting it in with KK or QQ occasionally, just sucks when you were actually up against a decent player and they woke up with KK or AA =(...

Oh well, I did well live today, nothing online though.

Current BR = $60.81 so still positive in general and should have $4-5 worth of rakeback headed my way. I expect to swing like this considering the small volume I'm putting in. Still hoping to for $400-500 by September 1 and $1000 by years end. May have to step up my volume to get there but we'll see. Volume really on depends on whether or not I play live that day.

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Old 06-01-2010, 01:48 AM   #45
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Had time for one set late tonight after my drive down to STL. Ran decent, had one back suckout early, AK all in vs Q5hearts on the flop. I had a pair of kings vs his pair of 5s. Went running hearts. Oh well.

Cashed on 4/6 games, 1st, 2nd, and two 3rds.

BR = $68.91
Day gain = $8.10
Will be playing live tomorrow night (Tuesday night) but will get some online play in Thursday/Friday as I'll be off work, will probably play some live those days too.

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Old 06-04-2010, 12:04 AM   #46
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Played a bit more tonight. Jumped it up to 8 tables at a time for my first go in quite some time. Cashed well even though I wasn't running too hot. Been reading a bunch on the STT forums in my off time and have made it through the first section of Collin Moshman's Sit 'n Go Strategy book. Great concepts btw (although I knew at least a little about them all from previous stuff, but should learn a lot from the book.)

Cashed on 10 / 15 STT's still playing $2.25 regular speed obviously. 8 at a time, I did not play in sets this time but bought in as I busted on some. My last 20-30 min was only on 4 tables.

New BR = $87.36
Day Gain = $18.45

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I am due for ~$4.50 in rake back tomorrow as well.

Finally broke the 100 game mark on $2.25's. I should have time to play 50ish more tomorrow as well.

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Old 06-04-2010, 03:50 PM   #47
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Just finished a positive session (barely). Ran like **** for the first hour or so. People flopping sets on me all day long all-in PF. It turned around about 1.5 hours in though and I managed to run decent and take a few down and get ahead by a little bit.

Cashed: 12/33
Net: $3.15
New Bankroll: $95.20
Rcv'd Rakeback from last week: $4.69

Not uploading a pic this time, but should be playing more early Saturday.

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Old 06-04-2010, 04:59 PM   #48
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Well done man Keep it up.
Now you got the hang of things
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Old 06-04-2010, 07:51 PM   #49
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BAEVentures sounds like you have a good plan to reach your goal. check my post i need some help! thanks
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Old 06-05-2010, 09:49 PM   #50
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Re: $50-$1000 4 Tabling Micro to Low Limit SNG's

Was about to pop on and play a good 3 hour session, but think I am going to head to Harrah's for the night and pick off some drunk fish. Hopefully I can make some quick money and get out so I can be at the top of my game come noon tomorrow. Otherwise, I may be running a 20 hour session live starting now. Wish me luck !

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