Hey thanks, yeah I'm still happy with the results so far I guess, with BOP/refunds I am up probably like $12K including SNE rakeback, so far from the end of the world. And in addition to that, I am getting SNE rakeback that I otherwise wouldn't have for all the volume (600KVPPs) I put prior to this challenge (estimated $18K+).

The sample size for hypers is really small, I'd imagine even like 30K is barely a decent sample. So that means the redline will naturally fluctuate and even at the start it was kinda up and down like crazy.
In general it could mean I'm playing worse, could mean I'm running worse situationally (getting coolered more, or coolered in bubbles etc). In general the games are just super tough, and playing with an average of 5.25 regs in every game is going to lead to a break-even at best result for someone like me, who isn't an expert in the format, hasn't done much studying, isn't game selecting and is playing like 20+ tables XD
As said earlier ITT many times, I went into this expecting/being prepared to lose a fairly significant amount, so when I was winning a lot at the start/middle of the challenge I was happy but knew I was likely running very good.

Hopefully the results will improve a little bit over the next few days, but not terribly fussed as long as I don't lose too much pre-rb in all honesty! :P

I mean why's that, not what's that in my reply to yay

Since I'm not familiar with tourneys, is the redline your EV?

I didn't know people here play dota .... feel free to pm me if you want to get owned. Probably it's not a good idea considering you challenge. Anyway gl with it

gl op,
do you ever worry that playing all of this <25bb poker will do damage to your zoom game, or does it not affect you

Thanks for the reply.

Either way, impressive and GL with the remainder of the challenge, I'll be following.

yes

that's def something that's hard to get used to at first, but SNE is doable if you play 100$-300$ and you will actually make very good profit before rakeback (if you're good). although i shouldn't advertise the format, less regs is always good and means more lobbies for me.

Yeah but it's so much cooler to play cash obv.
Difficult to run a sick triple check raise bluff 20bb deep.

you'd think so, wouldn't you?

Lol I think the connection would be too crappy from NZ to somewhere overseas, my 1v1 is reasonable but if you're good enough to challenge me then maybe you're better.. Where do you live?

Yeah I definitely worry some about this, in general I think I can't really "forget" how to play 100BB, but certainly can get rusty, and fall behind the meta-game/dynamics etc. I occasionally play an hour when making a video, or coaching friends, but usually at significantly lower stakes (like between 10-100NL instead of 500 or 200). I think playing so much 25BB poker is damaging to my poker skills in general, but I am not too worried overall, I guess.

Cool, thanks.

Yeah I mean if I really wanted to, I'm sure I could get used to that. I will look into it at some point I guess, but still think it's quite unlikely I will transition to HU.

Lol

dota2 obviously? there is absolutely no reason to stick with dota1/hon at this point, if someone wants a copy PM me for an invite

Good luck finishing this up i've been lurking this thread for some time now!

Paid for that **** though :'(

Back in the days I used to play for hours,nonstop in some of the top leagues and fw with some of the top teams,but It's now for me to move on and do what should I do,have responsibilities ... Btw I have dota 2 beta key 3 weeks after Navi won the 1 mil tourney when people were crazy for that key. http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=541248
Sorry for the off-topic

When I had a go recently at hypers (only the 15's and 30's) I also found in each case the red line would be better when you're relatively new to the player pool. I thought it could be that the regs start adapting to your play as they get larger samples on you, or it could just be variance. Gl with the rest of the year.

Thanks!

Lol, it was probably worth it though!

What was your in-game name?

Hey yeah a few very good regs said things to a similar effect a while ago and I agree. I think in most games it's very possible to start with a better EV for a few reasons. Mostly what you said, but I guess to be more specific you can make some profitable to super profitable +EV plays that are extremely exploitable in the long run, and you will make a lot of money if you do such plays until regs adjust, which can take a while (because regs are slow/lazy sometimes, but also because it just takes a while to get enough showdowns to get confident enough to estimate someones range etc).

For example in cash games, if you are an unknown you could probably 3-bet 72o from SB vs BTN (just an example) and show an immediate profit. Eventually, when a reg sees you are showing up with such trash he will own your ridiculously exploitable strategy etc. Similarly if someone opens ATC on the BTN in CAP (or SNGs really), regs can jam really, really wide from the blinds (obviously), but the first time you do it, until they start getting a bigger sample, they won't jam that wide and so on, so your open could be profitable and you will win heaps on the BTN.. Once they adjust and you still open ATC you will be losing heaps in that spot and your winrate will decline.

These are extreme examples and I don't do it to that extent nor would I advocate it to anyone else but just wanted to use extreme examples to make it clear in case anyone is interested why your EV could be higher in the first game/s you play, and lower later relatively speaking.

And yeah like you said eventually regs will start adjusting to your plays once they get enough reads/hands on a HUD etc etc. I've always felt my default game in a lot of formats is fairly good but my ability to adjust isn't as strong as some of the better regs.

Anyway finally had a winning session today, not as many VPPs as I would have liked but happy to finally win a little. Session didn't start off that well either..


Can't wait to finish and get a nice break, finally.

On a random/side note my music taste can be pretty feminine, earlier ITT I said I was listening to Taylor Swift's Red and recently it's been:



On another random side note, I feel dumb even bragging about this but I found the most recent Sunday Million Degen in hypers earlier this morning. She jammed the first hand and I folded whatever trash, second hand jams again so I call and bust her

Oh, another thing - I think I decide what charitable cause I'd like to donate to, I had this at the back of my head for a little while now and talked to a few friends about that idea.. But basically at the end of my last year in high school I was awarded a university scholarship for about just over 4.5K USD, to be given in 3 installments of just under 1.5KUSD per year for 3 years, given I obtained a minimum grade, attended full time etc. The award was for people who did decently in school and was somewhat involved, but also came from a less well-off family..
In short I got the first installment last year, and haven't gotten the rest since I took this year off (would have been my second year). The money I didn't get would just go back directly to the fund of the university but I feel I'd like to donate at least the amount I got at some point since I feel like I didn't really utilize something which is supposed to help a less fortunate student, and someone else who could have/would have missed out since I got it. Kinda worded that last part really badly but whatever.

I know it's not really technically a charity, but I think it counts and I'm pretty sure this is what I'll donate towards.

Maybe someday if/when I'm rich I'll make my own scholarship fund

I swear these hypers are so sick. Everyone has these negative graphs but the RB just leads to +++ 6 figure salaries. I think you could teach a monkey ICM and pushbotting and they could be profitable or something as long as they hit SNE.

No offense to you and the other ill hyper grinders (bbz/quad/pompeii/jdawg) that I'm friends with. All of you guys would probably take the least offense since you beat other games.

Funny thing is so many games 6 regs, yet no one is losing post rake-back
Where is da maney coming from!?

lolololol


yeah, ok

oh ur miss oracle, hehe gl man

ps. just a finnish donk

You're right, much of that "salary" goes to the backer in deals that the player is usually worse off in (not always, but the "math" often doesn't play out like envisioned by the player). Because while you can grind low-mid on your own roll like Meca/Pompeii and actually keep your very good 6 fig earn, most poker players don't do that.

But the allure of the bigger/easier score is at the basis of many business models, so meh. We humans gonna human.

That said, GL the rest of the way OP, I get that the SNE bump for next year is pretty huge, even if you have to suffer a bit in the short-run in December (like everyone) to get there.

Tx, do I know you or something

Agree with most of what you said, often taking backing for games like MTTs can be overall less EV than just playing small-mid stakes on your own roll, since you have to give the backer a cut. Similarly even playing live MTTs if you are selling a huge % is probably significantly less +EV than the opportunity cost of playing online if you can make $100 or more an hr. But I guess it's similar to play high stakes hypers backed vs. playing small-mid unbacked, esp since the games are softer too.. In my case I need the VPPs :P And earlier in the year I chose to play higher stakes zoom backed vs. unbacked because a) I got a better than "standard" cut throughout most of the year but also because I wanted to get better, so was willing to make a little less (and this combined with the benefits of backing, and aiming for SNE without playing too many hours made my decision for me...)

Thanks, much respect.