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12-20-2010 , 02:07 PM
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12-20-2010 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chilin_dude
Nah I've never got supernova, not even aware what start I am atm, I'll look after this session.
Shame, would make 100k FPP difference, which is $1,600 better off at the end of the year. I'm not gonna be starting as supernova either

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Thanks for compliments on plan, so you will just be playing 45s then 12 180s and onwards?
I'm already playing 12/180s; doubt I'm gonna cash out and grind micros just to prove a point at the 2s when I've already grinded up a roll playing about 4500 of them. Although I'm sure I could do it pretty easy from a skill point of view, I just can be bothered to drop down again when I don't need to. I don't see the point. I mean, you could take it to the extreme, cash out down to $10 and grind up from the 0.10/360s, through to the 1/45s; it really wouldn't take long, but it's not worth the crap hourly for the week or two that it would take. Getting from 3/45s to 2/180s to 6/45s to 12/45s to 3r/180 and 12/180s is gonna take a few weeks I reckon.

And I'm also mixing in the 45mans already for when I can only play a shorter session like 4 hours or so. Gonna look to play 12s when I'm more comfortable with the format, but only played about 800 at 3s and 500 at 6s so far, so not moving up to 12/45s just yet.

I'm also gonna put scheduled MTTs mainly on the back burner for a month or two, maybe play some of the smaller field stuff, but the 1000+ fields can go take a running jump as far as I'm concerned. Sure I reckon I'm +EV in them, but it takes so long to realise that edge with a big win because of the logistics of getting through a huge field.

Come March, once I've proved to myself that I can grind it full time, then I'll get back into the schedule, and give myself a couple of months practice mixing those in, so that I can take some shots during the SCOOP at the beginning of May. Looking back and taking the 2010 schedule as a rough guide, I've already got a sketched out list of the tourneys I'll play, mainly the Low stuff plus a few of the softer Mediums. I'm probably looking at an ABI for the series of around $75, which is a bit higher than what I'll be playing regularly, but I think it's worth the risk when you consider what's on offer. And I don't want to do it by selling shares, I want to do it all on my own money. I'd hate myself for being such a huge life-nit if I binked a big score and had to share it; way more than I'd hate myself for losing $2k or so on what I believe to be a long term +EV investment.

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Originally Posted by chilin_dude
I didnt think Supernova was doable really in 12 180s and mtts, good luck if you go for it, and good luck moving up!
If grinding poker is a full time gig it's quite doable in MTTs, and in much fewer hours than a "proper" job. Even with time off for holidays somewhere, I'd say 30hrs/week would do it pretty comfortably. And remember, there's no commute time for this one either

Anyway, see you at the tables

GL
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12-20-2010 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GOHAN
Hey, i just made blog too and have "similar" goals (10k by end of 2011) and play almost the same games instead of 45mans, im playing 90 knockouts.

I question for u, how much time do you spend on theory / day? u have some speciall system like analising biggest won and loose pots by holdem manager or programs like sngwizard ? any advices would be nice gl hf in grinding.
Hi,
I'd say that I spent 90% grinding to every 10% analysing/reading strat forums etc. At end of session I'll look in holdem manager at various filters, to check vpip in various positions, how I'm doing say 9 6 and 4 handed to see if there is anywhere I can improve.
Dont really use SNG wizard anymore, because I've played thousands of these so have a decent concept of it, but when i was starting out I often used sng wiz and spent probably 35% time analysing/reading to 65% grinding.
thx
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Originally Posted by TeamTrousers
Shame, would make 100k FPP difference, which is $1,600 better off at the end of the year. I'm not gonna be starting as supernova either

I'm already playing 12/180s; doubt I'm gonna cash out and grind micros just to prove a point at the 2s when I've already grinded up a roll playing about 4500 of them. Although I'm sure I could do it pretty easy from a skill point of view, I just can be bothered to drop down again when I don't need to. I don't see the point. I mean, you could take it to the extreme, cash out down to $10 and grind up from the 0.10/360s, through to the 1/45s; it really wouldn't take long, but it's not worth the crap hourly for the week or two that it would take. Getting from 3/45s to 2/180s to 6/45s to 12/45s to 3r/180 and 12/180s is gonna take a few weeks I reckon.

And I'm also mixing in the 45mans already for when I can only play a shorter session like 4 hours or so. Gonna look to play 12s when I'm more comfortable with the format, but only played about 800 at 3s and 500 at 6s so far, so not moving up to 12/45s just yet.

I'm also gonna put scheduled MTTs mainly on the back burner for a month or two, maybe play some of the smaller field stuff, but the 1000+ fields can go take a running jump as far as I'm concerned. Sure I reckon I'm +EV in them, but it takes so long to realise that edge with a big win because of the logistics of getting through a huge field.

Come March, once I've proved to myself that I can grind it full time, then I'll get back into the schedule, and give myself a couple of months practice mixing those in, so that I can take some shots during the SCOOP at the beginning of May. Looking back and taking the 2010 schedule as a rough guide, I've already got a sketched out list of the tourneys I'll play, mainly the Low stuff plus a few of the softer Mediums. I'm probably looking at an ABI for the series of around $75, which is a bit higher than what I'll be playing regularly, but I think it's worth the risk when you consider what's on offer. And I don't want to do it by selling shares, I want to do it all on my own money. I'd hate myself for being such a huge life-nit if I binked a big score and had to share it; way more than I'd hate myself for losing $2k or so on what I believe to be a long term +EV investment.



If grinding poker is a full time gig it's quite doable in MTTs, and in much fewer hours than a "proper" job. Even with time off for holidays somewhere, I'd say 30hrs/week would do it pretty comfortably. And remember, there's no commute time for this one either

Anyway, see you at the tables

GL
Really really good read, you have a good writing style, hope you make a thread here so I can follow your progress.
I completely see what you mean about not going back to the $2s again when your hourly ev is higher playing 12s etc, I'm just doing it to attemp to prove a point really.

Hope you run good

Had a long session just now, stopped so I can watch football on tv for 2hours then grinding again. It went pretty terribad and tonights session is now very very very crucial to this thread, bankroll is down at $149 at the moment, would be pretty lol if I went busto and $300 to $0 instead of 100k.
I'm playing really well though, and unlike the other day kept completely cool headed the whole day which is a really good sign.
I'll post day report later after I've won a few 180s
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12-20-2010 , 04:15 PM
gl sir variance is a bitch
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12-20-2010 , 04:26 PM
gl with your journey sir, will be keeping an eye on this, from the uk to also grinding out the $2 108s
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12-20-2010 , 04:50 PM
this is lifetime 2.20 graph, 43% ROI, on 250 buyin downswing.
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12-20-2010 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chilin_dude
Sounds a good bet, whats his sn? Yes done with uni till like 16th Jan I think, house to myself as all other 7 housemates gone home.
weeeeeeee
his name is stripedman on 2p2 and stars..just fired up my first session of the bet now...full time job ftl eh? really kills my volume workin 40 hours but hey gta start somewhere so hopefully grindin will b my job but for now, it is what it is....


good luck if ur grinding today
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12-20-2010 , 11:13 PM

Session 5 Report

Put in a biggish session from about 4-7:30pm then another one about 10:30-2:30.
First one the roll went down to $150, second one was horrific also and I thought i was gonna be busto any minute.
On final tables/itm the way I'm running is pretty gross, but I'm kind of glad as that means at least I'll handle it when it happens at higher stakes. I kept my head and didnt go crazy.
Managed to lose 100 buyins at the $2.20s in a day today, doubted that was possible before, think I fted about 6 of them and didnt get better than 7th.
Luckily it appears that I was down to $40 in the account at one point and I managed to semi-robusto in the 45s at the end and recover some losses.
Actually really glad how today went because put in a semi-decent grind, and tomorrow will now put in an even bigger one (hopefully 250 games) and actually win, I wasnt far away from putting a heater on today, was itm in 3 180s at the same time, win them 3 and you've got $330 from them alone, so win a flip here and there and bang your away.

Session Begin Bankroll: $271.95
Session End Bankroll: $186.13
Session Profit/Loss: -$85.82
Seission Graph:



Overall Profit/Loss: -$113.87
Overall Hourly: -$4.91



Bit of a long write up above, anyhow now I've played 500 games I'll post an overall graph:


And the stats for 180s/45s togther:


Anyhow hopefully the worst is out of the way now and ive reached the floor and now go the opposite way.

I realised something whilst I was grinding fwiw - I was trying to play JUST 180s in the middle of the session, 20 of them at the same time. However I realised this causes way more variance as theres a lot more in them than in 45s, so half way through the session decided from now on I'll have a minimum of 5 45s going at the same time, this should help to lower the variance and make the swings not as steep.

Thx and gl.
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12-21-2010 , 03:59 PM
Mate, if you're dead set on doing this with just the one $300 bullet then I'd seriously consider dropping the 2/180s until you're above $500. You're seriously underrolled.

One bad day will kill you, and runbad will lead to playbad, no matter how much you think you have tilt under control. It's not necessarily a case of tilt being a bunch of ridiculous shoves and stationy calls, it's also failing to push +EV spots because you keep getting sucked out on.

Stick to 3/45mans; they are even more pushfold than 180s, which means you can play more tables anyway, and don't need to think so hard about FTs. Maybe even stick to just 16 or so tables for them, give yourself the time you need to make the correct plays, and get a couple of winning days under your belt.


As for me doing a progress thread here, I can't really see that happening. I tried to do that with a blogspot at the beginning of this year, but basically never updated it. I'll give it another go for 2011, but not promising.

GL
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12-21-2010 , 05:38 PM
id assume chilin would reload himself
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12-21-2010 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamTrousers
Mate, if you're dead set on doing this with just the one $300 bullet then I'd seriously consider dropping the 2/180s until you're above $500. You're seriously underrolled.

One bad day will kill you, and runbad will lead to playbad, no matter how much you think you have tilt under control. It's not necessarily a case of tilt being a bunch of ridiculous shoves and stationy calls, it's also failing to push +EV spots because you keep getting sucked out on.

Stick to 3/45mans; they are even more pushfold than 180s, which means you can play more tables anyway, and don't need to think so hard about FTs. Maybe even stick to just 16 or so tables for them, give yourself the time you need to make the correct plays, and get a couple of winning days under your belt.


As for me doing a progress thread here, I can't really see that happening. I tried to do that with a blogspot at the beginning of this year, but basically never updated it. I'll give it another go for 2011, but not promising.

GL
Yeah I realise the chance of busto is a concern, but I still think that starting off a $300 bankroll the risk of ruin would be less than 10%, i'd guess 5% at most. So for now gonna stick it out - and re playing more 45s, i feel my edge is bigger 180s than 45s which are way shallower stacked at the end.
Thx
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Originally Posted by jdawg91
id assume chilin would reload himself
I was thinkin about it, and if that disaster occured I think I would reload, hopefully not going to though.

Played like 90 so far today and broken even, horrific final table runbad, in 45s the first 5 i ftd i finished 7th . Just waiting for that heater to kick in.

Also possibly questioning my iso's, I think i might be isoing a bit light in the 2s, because people always seem to have it, when they ship like 6bbs in and I iso A7 its been constantly in bad. Think its just variance for the time being, but gonna look into that more in a bit to see if its possible I need to tighten up in that regards.
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12-22-2010 , 12:33 AM

Session 6 Report


Played really really well today. Didn't put inas long shift as wanted as had to go to town for xmas gifts for gf and mum, played a longish session about 5-9pm after, cashed an absurd amount but managed to lose a bit again, just not closing.
Then put in a short sesh just now of 35, and again cashed a ridic high amount, ran awfull when itm again. Played 118 total, no 1sts after cashing 22 lol.
However I'm playing really really well, and getting more and more confident, so thats good, have a massive day coming up soon imo (massive = +100 buyins imo).


Session Begin Bankroll: $186.13
Session End Bankroll: $258.54
Session Profit/Loss: $72.41
Seission Graph: ***Photobucket is down*** So I cannot upload a graph of today, basically it starts off going up to $55, goes down to -$10 gradually then at the end goes back up to +$72, courtesy of 4 fts.



Overall Profit/Loss: -$41.46
Overall Hourly: -$1.51


Tomorrow is the day I get the hourly back into the plusses. Then the day after back into big mac hours
Really confident, the DnB music I'm listening to gets me really focused and I've not had 2+2 open either which has helped me concentrate more too

Last edited by chilin_dude; 12-22-2010 at 12:33 AM. Reason: 6999 posts, Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
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12-22-2010 , 12:37 AM
What DnB do you listen to? Is it a stream?

edit: Oh shi- don't waste ur 7k post with answering that lol, u can pm me if you want
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12-22-2010 , 12:54 AM
Step 3 is pretty risky, as long as you're willing to move back to step 2 it should be fine.

GL man
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12-22-2010 , 12:56 AM
Yeah I think all the steps are reasonably risky, I mean playing 12s with 100bi's is pretty risky, so playing 55s with 100bi's is super risky.
But hoping the aggressive brm will payoff, and if not everytime I drop into the below step then I'll drop down and grind it out again, this will probably happen a couple of times. Would be nice if it didnt though
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12-22-2010 , 03:29 AM
gl chillin
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12-22-2010 , 11:22 AM
thx sir
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12-22-2010 , 12:48 PM
great thread so far... hopefully the heater comes soon for ya!

gl gl
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12-22-2010 , 07:23 PM
you busted me 3rd in the one you just shipped. Im trying to do the something like this, grind from the 2s to the 12/180s and get supernova in 2011 with 180s and some mtts. Ill be following this gl keep it up.
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12-22-2010 , 07:47 PM
just out of curiousity, u said ur gna move to 12s with 1.2k rite? how long do u expect to take til u get to that point. my backer will allow me to move up and take a 50 buyin shot at 12s wen my br reaches 1.6k so im just wonderin how long u think ish...
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12-22-2010 , 07:56 PM
nice thread sir, wish u gl!
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12-22-2010 , 10:50 PM
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great thread so far... hopefully the heater comes soon for ya!

gl gl
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Originally Posted by YANS24
you busted me 3rd in the one you just shipped. Im trying to do the something like this, grind from the 2s to the 12/180s and get supernova in 2011 with 180s and some mtts. Ill be following this gl keep it up.
Ul there, pretty standard ship by me i think tho. Sounds a plan, hopefully oyu can make a thread 2?
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just out of curiousity, u said ur gna move to 12s with 1.2k rite? how long do u expect to take til u get to that point. my backer will allow me to move up and take a 50 buyin shot at 12s wen my br reaches 1.6k so im just wonderin how long u think ish...
Well Its $900 difference from step one and i thought average $16 per hour so 56 hours, so hoped 2 weeks and I would have been there but I'm very much behind schedule so god knows!
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nice thread sir, wish u gl!
Thanks!
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12-22-2010 , 10:57 PM

Session 7 Report

Dont really know what to say, it feels like a chance of a massive session got away, got really deep in loads but didn't close as much as I'd like to have. I've analysed my database and basically im runnin rly bad at t600 and above which is itm time, hence the epic downswing/runbad. Still booked a winnning session and finally back above starting bankroll so thats good.
Got frustrated in the head at one point which is bad, but tried to control myself and think I did ok.
Found that I think Ive got a couple leaks in 45s I'm also shoving too wide in them, been treating them exactly the same as 180s, but need to tighten up shoving range and calling range because of different structure.



Session Begin Bankroll: $258.54
Session End Bankroll: $375.01
Session Profit/Loss: $116.47
Seission Graph:



Overall Profit/Loss: $75.01
Overall Hourly: $2.00



Well back in profit, and hopefully downswing out the way and ready to hit a real heater.
Gonna take nytol now to try crashout before 7am for a change, gf back tomorrow at 10pm so have till 9 to grind. Hopefully grind 4-9ish and get around 120 180/45s in total.

Thanks and gl
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12-22-2010 , 11:39 PM
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Ul there, pretty standard ship by me i think tho. Sounds a plan, hopefully oyu can make a thread 2?
Oh yeah 100% standard. Ive been thinking about starting my own thread, once the new year starts ill do it. GL cya around, happy holidays.
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12-23-2010 , 02:02 PM
hows the christmas dinner goin so far? good luck wit that bud.....also i gota stop spammin ur thread...i shud prolly make my own 2/180 thread...so ill see ya there

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