Felt like a pretty rough start to today.
Hand 1 - Overbet Shoving River
I feel like theory wise, this is a sound line.
1. Flop: 50% pot should've immediately sensed me in to this being a weaker player. I overlooked it. I guess I could combine this with the 3bb open size being fish-leaning as well...
2. Turn: He had reg-ish stats, so not reading into the flop correctly I assumed the large sizing is a common-ish mistake at these stakes on the 2 flush draw turns, both with value and draws.
3. River: This feels like reasonable bluff selection. I like having the 7s although it isn't that important, but this puts me towards the bottom of my range. I like the sizing since I'll want to shove with a lot of my flushes that just got here.
Theoretically, I'm on board with my play.
I don't think I'd make this play vs a fish, so I guess the mistake is overlooking the flop 50% sizing as a strong fish tell.
When I get snapped off, I start to question myself if I should ever make bluffs like this at 2NL...
To be clear, I don't expect JJ to always fold here, but I expect it to be a spot where they at least think about it. If I'm getting snapped off by JJ I'm almost certainly being called by enough that makes this unprofitable.
GG Poker - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
BTN: 100 BB
SB: 111 BB
Hero (BB): 118 BB
UTG: 218 BB
MP: 74.5 BB
CO: 100 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB,
Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A
7
fold,
fold,
fold,
fold,
SB raises to 3 BB,
Hero calls 2 BB
Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 6
2
5
SB bets 3 BB,
Hero calls 3 BB
Turn: (12 BB, 2 players) 9
SB bets 12 BB,
Hero calls 12 BB
River: (36 BB, 2 players) Q
SB checks,
Hero bets 100 BB and is all-in,
SB calls 93 BB and is all-in
Hero shows A
7
(High Card, Ace)
(Pre 29%, Flop 16%, Turn 16%)
SB shows J
J
(One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 71%, Flop 84%, Turn 84%)
SB wins 217.5 BB
Another one...
This time I did read into the 50% pots and correctly assume I'm playing against a weaker player.
My thoughts...
He had 4% 3bet over 3,000 hands.
BXB (50% sizings) = Weaker player. Weaker players tend to overvalue pocket pairs, and sizing tends to give some indication of hand strength. This could Be A5/AJ/AQ/AK, TJ/TQ/TK, KK/QQ/JJ/99/88/77/66
Turn checks.. I start to think he doesn't have much Ax, maybe the A5 still...
Bets river again for 50%, I feel like this is a weaker player going for value with middling strength hands. I'm right there, but completely missing the mark on his range when he has a3s.
I guess...
1. Folding pre vs tight 3b range is an option.
2. Am I making a mistake by overly reading into the tiny 3b frequency postflop? I expect players to understand position a bit and that they should be even tighter UTG vs HJ.
3. Is this fine, can't expect reads to be right every time, and a reasonable play often enough to just move on and not worry about it?
GG Poker - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
BTN: 290.5 BB
SB: 117 BB
BB: 170.5 BB
Hero (UTG): 110 BB
MP: 112 BB
CO: 112 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J
J
Hero raises to 2.5 BB,
MP raises to 9 BB,
fold,
fold,
fold,
fold,
Hero calls 6.5 BB
Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) A
5
T
Hero checks,
MP bets 10 BB,
Hero calls 10 BB
Turn: (39.5 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks,
MP checks
River: (39.5 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks,
MP bets 20 BB,
Hero calls 20 BB
MP shows 3
A
(Two Pair, Aces and Fives)
(Pre 33%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows J
J
(Two Pair, Jacks and Fives)
(Pre 67%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
MP wins 75 BB
Got my rakeback today, and I was very torn on moving up as I originally typed this, came to a conclusion below.
Pros:
- Better players will put me in more interesting spots that I'll learn more from.
- Faster progress towards my eventual goals.
- I'm hoping a lot less of these 20bb stacks that seem particularly common in my morning, I don't necessarily feel I'm losing against short stacks, but rake that's effectively uncapped vs them really sucks.
Cons:
- Not sure if I'm beating 2NL yet post-variance. This isn't much of a con in itself.
- Beating 2NL will probably help with confidence a bit.
Actual bankroll isn't really a con, the money isn't really much of a consideration until I get to 100nl+. If I thought I was going to progress faster rolling myself for 25-50NL, I'd do that right now. I'm however not convinced jumping into that much bigger of a game will really help me enough to justify.
The actual numbers:
$32.65 lost (all in ev)
~$11 paid to BBJP, which is basically a 0EV long-term-loan to GG (I already hit a BBJP at 2nl, and removed it from my roll to avoid shot taking too quickly, but I'm in the green on this number atm)
~$25 in rakeback (EV in flipouts, leaderboards, standard rakeback, +20% deposit bonus)
= +3.35 profit
Feels like a bit of a stretch to do math this way even though it's 100% accurate, but considering I've unquestionably improved during the past 26k hands, I think there's a 60%+ probability that I'm a break even or slightly winning player if I was to stop studying and just grind out 100k+ hands right now. I guess the graph compared to the actual math just feels weird, but everyone constantly reminds me rake is huge on GG so I guess its fine.
Good enough for me, off to 5NL I go
Probably going to just make this a permanent move and add to my BR a bit if needed.
Last edited by MattD1; 01-28-2024 at 11:07 PM.