I'm assuming you mean how wide is BU defending vs donk leads?

They slightly over fold but way over raise, so we won't get to the turn nearly as often in practice in the Donk flop call flop node. This will be another reason why we should have a donking range but skew it towards value. And then just Donk/3bet jam our draws as a default.

Nice one

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($28.67) [VPIP: 19.2% | PFR: 16.9% | AGG: 47.6% | Hands: 177]
SB ($18.02) [VPIP: 25.7% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 18.8% | Hands: 183]
BB ($26.50) [VPIP: 18% | PFR: 14.8% | AGG: 22.8% | Hands: 3954]
HERO ($30.58) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.7% | Hands: 98093]
HJ ($33.12) [VPIP: 26.2% | PFR: 19.8% | AGG: 46.7% | Hands: 1485]
CO ($27.91) [VPIP: 20.5% | PFR: 17.8% | AGG: 36.6% | Hands: 1156]

Dealt to Hero: K K

HERO Raises To $0.55, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Raises To $2.87, HERO Raises To $30.58 (allin), BB Calls $23.63 (allin)

Flop ($57.18): 8 4 J

Turn ($57.18): 8 4 J 4

River ($57.18): 8 4 J 4 5

B25 and Jam sizing only on this board.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($25) [VPIP: 23.3% | PFR: 20.2% | AGG: 40.8% | Flop Agg: 45% | Turn Agg: 40.2% | 3Bet: 10.9% | 4Bet: 11.8% | Fold to 4Bet: 55.6% | Hands: 1580]
HERO ($48.94) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.7% | Flop Agg: 42.2% | Turn Agg: 35.2% | 3Bet: 10.1% | Fold to 3Bet: 57.5% | 4Bet: 11.3% | Hands: 98920]
BB ($32.63) [VPIP: 25.8% | PFR: 20.5% | AGG: 35.6% | Hands: 136]
UTG ($25) [VPIP: 20.9% | PFR: 10.1% | AGG: 59.4% | Hands: 949]
HJ ($14.21) [VPIP: 16.3% | PFR: 11.6% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 44]
CO ($25) [VPIP: 18.6% | PFR: 14.4% | AGG: 29.5% | Hands: 535]

Dealt to Hero: A Q

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.62, HERO Raises To $2.91, BB Folds, BTN Raises To $6.12, HERO Calls $3.21

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.51 effective]
Flop ($12.49): 4 J T
HERO Checks, BTN ?

Another concept that I still mess up but is important.

On these Ace high + BW boards you have 2 targets.

We can target the gutshots OTT and the BW card OTR or we can target ATs/AJs over 3 streets.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($41.67) [VPIP: 21.7% | PFR: 19.1% | AGG: 37.5% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 41.7% | River Agg: 40% | 3Bet: 10.5% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 160]
HERO ($31.49) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.7% | Flop Agg: 42.2% | Turn Agg: 35.2% | River Agg: 41.3% | 3Bet: 10.1% | Fold to 3Bet: 57.5% | 4Bet: 11.4% | Hands: 99225]
BB ($30) [VPIP: 23.6% | PFR: 20.1% | AGG: 33.1% | Hands: 1227]
UTG ($25.10) [VPIP: 17% | PFR: 5.7% | AGG: 31.6% | Hands: 54]
HJ ($32.77) [VPIP: 26.8% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 36.3% | Hands: 539]
CO ($30) [VPIP: 19.8% | PFR: 15.8% | AGG: 26.2% | Hands: 1309]

Dealt to Hero: 7 7

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.75, HERO Raises To $3.10, BB Folds, BTN Calls $2.35

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.4 effective]
Flop ($6.45): A 8 K
HERO Bets $1.21 (Rem. Stack: $27.18), BTN Calls $1.21 (Rem. Stack: $37.36)

Turn ($8.87): A 8 K 3
HERO Bets $6.65 (Rem. Stack: $20.53), BTN Calls $6.65 (Rem. Stack: $30.71)

River ($22.17): A 8 K 3 4
HERO Checks, BTN Checks



So here I messed up OTT, I should go small OTT to make gutshots 0EV and then non all in OTR to go after Kx if the river didn't complete a flush.

And then there is some cooler blocker games going on I always forget about. So if we are OTR and let's say it comes a 4 no . You would rather call A5s than AJs.

I guess we want to unblock folds OTR, that does make sense but I still really want to bet turn.

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
BTN ($110.91) [VPIP: 27% | PFR: 20.2% | AGG: 45.6% | Flop Agg: 42.7% | Turn Agg: 50.6% | River Agg: 51.7% | 3Bet: 7.6% | Fold to 3Bet: 53.8% | 4Bet: 11.8% | Hands: 1588]
SB ($52.70) [VPIP: 17.5% | PFR: 14.2% | AGG: 24.5% | Hands: 338]
BB ($26.89) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 17.8% | AGG: 59.1% | Hands: 94]
HERO ($33.16) [VPIP: 27.8% | PFR: 23.3% | AGG: 38.8% | Flop Agg: 42.2% | Turn Agg: 35.4% | River Agg: 41.4% | 3Bet: 10.1% | 4Bet: 11.5% | Hands: 100028]
HJ ($30.79) [VPIP: 23.5% | PFR: 11.8% | AGG: 47.1% | Hands: 34]
CO ($18.41) [VPIP: 35.3% | PFR: 11.8% | AGG: 51.9% | Hands: 34]

Dealt to Hero: 7 6

HERO Raises To $0.50, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $2, SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Calls $1.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [7.16 effective]
Flop ($4.35): 9 2 8
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $1.50 (Rem. Stack: $107.41), HERO Raises To $5.17 (Rem. Stack: $25.99), BTN Calls $3.67 (Rem. Stack: $103.74)

Turn ($14.69): 9 2 8 K
HERO ?

76dd/76hh are 100% checks OTT.

Makes a lot of sense and I think it's probably true of my game 😅. Is this hand2note?

Not to do with unblocking river folds imo

It’s a disaster to get jammed on with 76 of flush draw because there’s so much equity there yet we’d have to fold. We’d rather just not open ourselves up to the option.

76 non-fd bets because the fold to jam is trivial.

Would you double xr this vs regs? My instinct is that its underfolded but never really experimented with that line too much.

Yeah that could be it. But Ace high FD's fold to a jam after betting turn and they still bet a bunch so I don't know exactly.

I would be more passive as their range is stronger than GTO OTT when they stab. But you need river donk leads for sure when you play like this.

I think in general with OESD+FD on turn spots oop we can check call vs reasonable size or check jam. Naked A high FD probably struggles check calling. Naked A high flush draw may not have the direct odds to call and have trouble realizing implied odds on river after check calling. On this particular board without looking at how solver defends vs the flop check raise, there are probably some good blocker properties to having the A high flush draw. You block them having floated flop with bdnfd, maybe some combos of AK, and AA. I'd imagine things are getting pretty dicey for TT, JJ, probably starting to fold turn some? Which is a good result for the NFD.

All those reasons seem plausible.

The biggest takeaway for me is you don't want to play weak FD's too aggressively in tight range spots because you risk being dominated too often. You also don't want to take aggressive actions with vulnerable hands that don't know what to do versus a jam.

You see this with OESD's too and I think it's basically the same concept.

SB3BETvsBU 542r board we have 76s and BTN stabs 1/3 pot.

You never XR here because a jam leaves you in a 0EV spot.

It’s like 4betting pre - you want to 4bet hands that have easy decisions vs a jam.

76 wants to realise equity - fundamentally it is 7 high so facing a jam is a disaster. it’s a dog to bluffs if it were to raise/call off

Okay so I am still digging into this Front door Flush complete vs Backdoor Flush complete phenomenon in Triple Barrel spots. I ended up asking Tombos (Tom from GTO Wizard) about this and he looked at some GTO bots to see how Theory actually arrives at the river.

He sent me some pictures and he allowed me to share them with you guys.

BTNvsBB SRP 100bb. When BTN bets river they have the same amount of weak hands in range so theoretically there is no difference between a Front door flush complete and a backdoor flush complete.

Front door Flush Complete:



Back door Flush complete



Both are 31 weak here.

But something interesting happens in B-B lines or when BTN arrives to the river after double barreling.

Theoretically, GTO has more weak hands on Front Door Flush Complete boards as opposed to Back Door Flush Complete boards:

Front Door Flush complete:

39% weak



Back Door Flush complete:

36% weak



So the pet theory here is the reason population is weaker on Front door flush completes is because they don't compensate OTR for this weaker range. If you arrive to the river with a weaker range than normal (i.e. Front door flush draw complete) you are supposed to give up more but population is not doing that.

Big shout out to Tombos21 for the sims/pictures and helping me understand this subject better.