Bot tendencies are a separate profile from reg/fish tendencies which is why it's so hard to play against them. Plus they can be reprogrammed in theory.

You need 3 strategies in today's game.

wrt to the KQo hand. It's mixed OTF so cbetting flop is fine but population plays worse vs check backs than vs cbet's so that is something to consider.

Not really sure how the HHs work on Ignition, but unless they give him player names, I don't see how he would be able to spot bots. Maybe get the ACR bot database that Tyler kindly shares and assuming it's more or less the same?

You can spot them because they sit next to each other and collude.

They leave the table and come back later, or finish the day and come back tomorrow, and you lost the player id. No way you can go manually over millions of hands to do this collusion study manually, so you can have a bot alias for the range research.

VPIP/PFR of the ACR bots were pretty reggish, 3bet+ and fold pre stats take way more than a single session to converge.

Am I wrong or did you really only post the result of 5k hands in 4 weeks???

What went wrong?
Can you not find a 5k hand streak from the last 3 weeks which you could post with 20bb+/100?
Still cannot believe that people in here believe you. Does really somebody believe that this doodoo guy, who is absolutely addicted to poker, does only play 5k hands in 4 weeks???

Unbelievable…

The reason that this guy is only playing anonymous tables is, that nobody is able to post his real results….

Some cool hands.

Sometimes you gotta donk a donk

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NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
HERO ($5.30) [VPIP: 29.3% | PFR: 24.3% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.4% | Turn Agg: 34% | River Agg: 37.7% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 13.8% | Hands: 339678]
CO ($4.88) [VPIP: 40% | PFR: 6.7% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 40% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 50% | Hands: 15]
BTN ($16.32) [VPIP: 15.5% | PFR: 10.3% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 58]
SB ($6.88) [VPIP: 23.1% | PFR: 15.4% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 14]
BB ($5) [VPIP: 32% | PFR: 28% | AGG: 80% | Hands: 26]

Dealt to Hero: K 4

HERO Raises To $0.10, CO Calls $0.10, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds

Hero SPR on Flop: [17.7 effective]
Flop ($0.27): 7 J 3
HERO Bets $0.07 (Rem. Stack: $5.13), CO Calls $0.07 (Rem. Stack: $4.71)

Turn ($0.41): 7 J 3 3
HERO Checks, CO Bets $0.29 (Rem. Stack: $4.42), HERO Calls $0.29 (Rem. Stack: $4.84)

River ($0.99): 7 J 3 3 A
HERO Bets $0.47 (Rem. Stack: $4.37), CO Folds



Unorthodox

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NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
HERO ($5) [VPIP: 29.3% | PFR: 24.3% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.4% | Turn Agg: 34% | River Agg: 37.7% | 3Bet: 11.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 60.1% | 4Bet: 13.8% | Hands: 339678]
BB ($7.47) [VPIP: 26.5% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 32.4% | Hands: 70]
UTG ($4.43) [VPIP: 21.3% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 40% | Hands: 47]
HJ ($3.92) [VPIP: 25.4% | PFR: 23.9% | AGG: 35% | Hands: 68]
CO ($5.41) [VPIP: 31.1% | PFR: 19.7% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 61]
BTN ($5.29) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 14.3% | AGG: 62.5% | Flop Agg: 66.7% | Turn Agg: 66.7% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 30]

Dealt to Hero: 7 K

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.12, HERO Raises To $0.59, BB Folds, BTN Calls $0.47

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.59 effective]
Flop ($1.23): 4 K 5
HERO Bets $0.39 (Rem. Stack: $4.02), BTN Raises To $1.37 (Rem. Stack: $3.33), HERO Calls $0.98 (Rem. Stack: $3.04)

Turn ($3.97): 4 K 5 A
HERO Checks, BTN Bets $0.48 (Rem. Stack: $2.85), HERO Calls $0.48 (Rem. Stack: $2.56)

River ($4.93): 4 K 5 A J
HERO Bets $2.56 (allin), BTN Calls $2.56 (Rem. Stack: $0.29)



More Donks

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NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
HERO ($5.68) [VPIP: 29.3% | PFR: 24.3% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.4% | Turn Agg: 34% | River Agg: 37.7% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 13.8% | Cold Call: 9.5% | Hands: 339678]
UTG ($4.96) [VPIP: 26.5% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 32.4% | Flop Agg: 40% | Turn Agg: 27.3% | River Agg: 28.6% | 3Bet: 24.1% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 70]
HJ ($2.54) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 11.1% | AGG: 60% | Hands: 9]
CO ($4.36) [VPIP: 25.4% | PFR: 23.9% | AGG: 35% | Hands: 68]
BTN ($8.14) [VPIP: 31.1% | PFR: 19.7% | AGG: 25% | Hands: 61]
SB ($6.51) [VPIP: 16.7% | PFR: 11.9% | AGG: 36.4% | Hands: 42]

Dealt to Hero: T J

UTG Raises To $0.10, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.05

Hero SPR on Flop: [22.09 effective]
Flop ($0.22): 9 4 Q
HERO Checks, UTG Bets $0.21 (Rem. Stack: $4.65), HERO Calls $0.21 (Rem. Stack: $5.37)

Turn ($0.64): 9 4 Q 8
HERO Bets $0.41 (Rem. Stack: $4.96), UTG Raises To $1.25 (Rem. Stack: $3.40), HERO Calls $0.84 (Rem. Stack: $4.12)

River ($3.14): 9 4 Q 8 T
HERO Bets $0.30 (Rem. Stack: $3.82), UTG Raises To $3.40 (allin), HERO Folds



Okay 10k hand update.





See you at 15k.

A 10nl shot. I misplayed this hand pretty badly but it made me go look deeper into it.

HH in question.

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NL Holdem 0.1(BB)
HERO ($29.36) [VPIP: 29.3% | PFR: 24.3% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.4% | Turn Agg: 34% | River Agg: 37.7% | 3Bet: 11.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 60.1% | 4Bet: 13.8% | Hands: 340058]
BB ($29.51) [VPIP: 26.5% | PFR: 14.7% | AGG: 5.6% | Hands: 34]
UTG ($10) [VPIP: 14.3% | PFR: 8.6% | AGG: 41.2% | Hands: 35]
HJ ($16.58) [VPIP: 63.3% | PFR: 13.3% | AGG: 43.9% | Hands: 30]
CO ($3.79) [VPIP: 53.3% | PFR: 20% | AGG: 20% | Hands: 30]
BTN ($10) [VPIP: 19% | PFR: 19% | AGG: 16.7% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 21]

Dealt to Hero: J K

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.25, HERO Raises To $1.20, BB Folds, BTN Calls $0.95

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.52 effective]
Flop ($2.50): 2 Q 8
HERO Bets $0.50 (Rem. Stack: $27.66), BTN Calls $0.50 (Rem. Stack: $8.30)

Turn ($3.50): 2 Q 8 J
HERO Bets $0.70 (Rem. Stack: $26.96), BTN Calls $0.70 (Rem. Stack: $7.60)

River ($4.90): 2 Q 8 J T
HERO Bets $3.50 (Rem. Stack: $23.46), BTN Folds



A few things to notice

1. Essentially no raising range OTF as BTN vs B20.



2. Turn sizing is mostly B50

3. BTN has turn has jamming range with hands most people would play call/fold with.



4. This is interesting I'm not sure I have ever seen this before. There are no 0 EV bluff catchers for SB OTT after they B-B and are deciding to call a turn jam or not. Everything in range is 100% call or 100% fold.

5. On this particular runout we split river sizing's between small and jam. Our bluffs are AT/KT but we need a diamond.

This is a very good exploit vs Fish (remember 80% of your profit comes from 20% of the population---->Fish)

If you have recently 3bet a fish (the more recent the better) and they folded, if they RFI and you have a hand you are willing to stack off with (so JJ+AK)------>You should just open jam as they will call you lighter.

It would be cool to get data on this (not even sure that is possible) but I'm almost positive they will call the shove lighter for fear of being pushed around. Sklansky talks about this in his new book, basically fish have a phobia of being outplayed (insecurity maybe?) so they will call down way too light vs preflop open jams.

In this hand I had 3bet my opponent the very prior hand and he folded.

Obviously disregard the result lol.

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NL Holdem 0.1(BB)
HERO ($13.25) [VPIP: 29.3% | PFR: 24.3% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.4% | Turn Agg: 34% | River Agg: 37.7% | 3Bet: 11.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 60.1% | 4Bet: 13.8% | Hands: 340210]
BTN ($19.53) [VPIP: 21.3% | PFR: 12.8% | AGG: 31.6% | Hands: 47]
SB ($12.31) [VPIP: 47.1% | PFR: 8.8% | AGG: 40.6% | Hands: 34]
BB ($13.92) [VPIP: 18% | PFR: 16% | AGG: 22.2% | Hands: 50]
UTG ($10) [VPIP: 18% | PFR: 12% | AGG: 20% | Hands: 50]
HJ ($9.10) [VPIP: 64.6% | PFR: 41.7% | AGG: 30% | Flop Agg: 47.4% | Turn Agg: 23.1% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3Bet: 27.8% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 50]

Dealt to Hero: K K

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.45, HERO Raises To $13.25 (allin), BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls $8.65 (allin)

Flop ($22.50): 4 J A

Turn ($22.50): 4 J A T

River ($22.50): 4 J A T 9

yes - shoving KK and AA as a 3bet.
This is how fishes play their premiums…

Lmao

Why can't you get data on this, bc no one takes this line? I doubt it, fish take it vs everyone (and I doubt they play diferently vs regs and their peers), they tilt shove pre quite often as a matter of fact, and on ignition you would also know what they're folding.

Because you would have to filter they RFI/3bet folded previously within a certain number of hands. I've never seen a filter like that but maybe you can get a custom one.

Also I thought you were done in this thread?

Kendoo post your graph. I want to see how much better it is than mine

lol - your fake graphs…

but congrats for winning 150 dollar a month - you can be sure I would not even put on the computer for less then 3000 euro per month

Your opinion is irrelevant to me so carry on and please stop posting in my thread as I've asked you countless times before.

Probably one of the biggest compliments I could give to anyone is when I don't like them but still find some of the things they write interesting and stimulating enough that I keep wanting to come back

The filter is just a custom 3bet spot where the sizing is all in. So player opens, villain 3bets (specify ai sizing), player calls. As far as I know you can even specify player to be a recreational per the way you set who is a rec on the software. Being pre, I guess it's going to show the grid right? But having the combos they called with the frequency, you can definitely estimate the equity of each value hand so you will know the thresholds, and can finally get an EV number per combo you try to compare maybe to solver?

I might do this with my research db later, and I post here anything interesting (if I find any).

Okay this spot is interesting. Solver is jamming but jamming is a punt in reality based off my research. Just call here as it is overbluffed. Put value in your jam line.

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NL Holdem 0.1(BB)
HERO ($10.37) [VPIP: 29.3% | PFR: 24.3% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.4% | Turn Agg: 34% | River Agg: 37.7% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 13.8% | Hands: 340244]
SB ($10.36) [VPIP: 26.7% | PFR: 13.3% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 15]
BB ($10) [VPIP: 60% | PFR: 46.7% | AGG: 58.3% | Flop Agg: 57.1% | Turn Agg: 66.7% | River Agg: 50% | 3Bet: 16.7% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 28.6% | Hands: 15]
UTG ($6.99) [VPIP: 11.8% | PFR: 5.9% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 17]
HJ ($10.64) [VPIP: 11.8% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 66.7% | Hands: 17]
CO ($13.80) [VPIP: 43.8% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 62.5% | Hands: 16]

Dealt to Hero: 2 A

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $0.25, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.15

Hero SPR on Flop: [17.73 effective]
Flop ($0.55): 2 J K
BB Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($0.55): 2 J K 6
BB Bets $0.64 (Rem. Stack: $9.11), HERO Calls $0.64 (Rem. Stack: $9.48)

River ($1.83): 2 J K 6 8
BB Bets $1.30 (Rem. Stack: $7.81), HERO Calls $1.30 (Rem. Stack: $8.18)



Obligatory meme.

4BP spot. We are 4BP OOP PFC as SB vs BTN3BET.

Understanding how ranges interact is important, you don't just X range to the PFR and you don't just mindlessly bet 1/4 as the 4bettor.

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NL Holdem 0.1(BB)
HERO ($10.47) [VPIP: 29.3% | PFR: 24.3% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.4% | 3Bet: 11.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 60.1% | 4Bet: 13.8% | Hands: 340331]
BB ($10.15) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 12]
UTG ($10) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 12]
HJ ($13.15) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 20% | Hands: 12]
CO ($9.50) [VPIP: 8.3% | PFR: 8.3% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 12]
BTN ($11.09) [VPIP: 16.7% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 100% | Flop Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 100% | Fold to 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 12]

Dealt to Hero: 9 9

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Raises To $0.20, HERO Raises To $1, BB Folds, BTN Raises To $2.10, HERO Calls $1.10

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.95 effective]
Flop ($4.30): 7 5 Q
HERO Bets $1.02 (Rem. Stack: $7.35), BTN Raises To $8.99 (allin), HERO Folds



First thing's first, you need a donking range as SB here. An interesting fact that a lot of people get wrong is you don't need an EV/Equity advantage to start donking flop. It has to do with range composition.

If you look at preflop our calling range is centered around one major hand as Small blind. AQo/AQs are almost 100% calls. So when a Q high board comes OTF we will have a certain part of our range that is better than our opponents. The same thing happens on Ace high boards (yes is it counter intuitive but BTN has a lot of KK/QQ/JJ/TT and we don't).



We have less great hands but we have more good hands so we get to take advantage of this fact and donk flop sometimes (this is how I internalize solver outputs you can use your own methods/heuristics)

Now my hand is supposed to be a call in theory but I don't think players are aggressive enough to do this with AK/AKs so I made an exploitative fold. I'll post results tomorrow.

Nice one!

Are you shoving when fish open to +3,5x or vs normal 2-3x sizing as well? And how would this change as stakes increase (people caring a bit more about losing)?

Fish are highly emotional when they play so if he just lost a big pot to someone else then I would jam. Definitely jam more vs bigger open sizing's as well.

I would probably have some more stringent metagame conditions for this, but I could see it absolutely printing against a lot of recs tbh. Might try this out myself. Especially against large opens seems really good.