But yea he won't be flatting your 3bet and then just flatting your flop bet with QQ with a btn vs SB dynamic too often

He could even raise flop with JJ if he's fishy to see where he's at

So you're ranging is pretty off

Also if you're not going to go for value bet these boards with TT, not sure what's the point of 3betting lol planning lol value betting yea that's not important for a pro.

I called the turn because the bet seemed weak and I thought he would shut down with anything I beat on the river.

He would absolutely flat pre with QQ ... People don't 4-bet QQ all that often.

To say I should just randomly 'valuebet' 10s on this flop because I 3-bet pre is LOL stupid. Please come back to Harrah's and spew with this logic.

It's obvious we're never going to agree on strategy again ... This is the last I'm going to respond.

Sometimes we fold the best hand and get bluffed.

If you cant see why 3betting is pointless if we can't extract on a great flop then you're obviously just 3b to 3b

The point is, if his calling range is as strong as you say, then why are you 3b

I can't answer for Chip but I don't quite get this specific question. It is immediately profitable to 3b a presumably somewhat wide button opening range regardless of his narrow 4b range (or strong calling range) if he folds out his Broadway's AJ and some AQ hands and calls with all weaker pairs.

As for the post flop.

I think the flop cbet is usually folding out hands we beat and only occasionally folding out QQ or JJ without firing a second barrel.

I like checking for a delayed cbet here. With 2 As on the flop AK and AQ are less likely. We are behind only 2 combos of AQs and 8 AK... 6 QQ, 6 JJ and 2 33. Total 24 combos.

We are ahead of 36 combos 44-99.

He checks back the flop a lot and we can b/f the turn. If by chance he puts that weak looking bet out OTF I prob just go ahead and click it back right there.

As I mentioned when we discussed this hand briefly villain was lost in the hand IMO and just knew you didn't have Ax when you c/c the tiny turn bet. He likely didn't quite know why he was shoving (to fold TT or get value from 88) he just knew you didn't have an A. Or ... he was better than we give him credit for and used that little probe turn bet to cap your range to scared PPs and then turned his hand into a bluff OTR to get you off TT-KK. I tend to believe the former is more likely.

Had a wretchedly bad weekend.

Played 3 hours Thursday night and lost $73.
Played 4 hours Friday night and won $396, but, generally, played awful.
Played 3.5 hours Saturday night and lost $423.
Played 5 hours Sunday night and lost $3. (Yeah, $3. I think this is a win in that I was OK with getting up from the game as it was my big blind and didn't think, "OMG, 1 more orbit and I can get in the black.')
Played 3 hours Monday night and lost $79.

I'll post some hands later that I screwed up. All in all, I probably grade myself at a D for the weekend.

Post some hands Chippy so we can berate you!

Git'spossibletheyaren'tasbadasyouthink,maybe?G

Here are a couple: (first hand $1/$3; rest are $1/$2).

Friday night, I open in the CO for $25 with Q6. Button calls (he was calling everything). BB pops it to $75. I mull a 4-bet and decide to just flat. Button flats. Flop 754 with one diamond. BB shoves for $250. I shove for $310. Button folds. BB has KK (obviously). Turn 10. River 3. I make straight and flush and scoop.

I talked about this hand with a dealer who used to be a $2/$5 reg and he (and others) have told me what an idiot I am. Which I already knew. It was terribad. Like on a scale of a 1-10 it was probably a 20.

This second hand is pretty standard, I think, even though I knew I was burning money.
Sunday night, OMC raises to $12 UTG. I have 99 OTB. I call. Set mining.

Flop is JT8. Decent flop. He bets $25. I call. Turn is a 9. FML. Here's where I think I should just fold. He bets $35. He has exactly one hand here - QQ. Yeah, he was that easy to read. I don't think he bets KK or AA here. And, honestly, if the river pairs the board, I think he gets away from his hand. Maybe he pays off $60ish. But the odds just aren't there to call. River is an A. He checks back and sure enough he has QQ. So this is how he plays: No bet on the river with the second nuts.

Monday night, I played a little aggressively.

I pick up A9o in the BB and a guy who had been opening a lot raises to $8. Two callers and I make it $34. Two folds. Indian guy calls. Flop is 975 rainbow. I bet $40. He calls. Turn is a K. Good card for me to barrel again? I bet $70. He calls. River is a T. I check. he has TJ. Gross.

Another hand, guy straddles UTG. It is folded to me and I have J9 suited. I raise to $14. He calls. Again, flop is 9 high, this time with two diamonds. I bet $15. He calls. Turn is a blank. I bet $25. He calls. River is an A. I think about checking this back and probably should ... I bet $25 as a blockerish bet. He calls with A7.

Lol Q6 hand, didn't know you had that spew demon in you

99 hand, you do have the odds to call OTT. You're getting 3:1 direct odds + implied odds when you only need like a little more than 3:1 to call (you're going to hit like 24% of the time), not to mention you chop when a Q falls

A9 hand is a good squeeze congrats not being a uber knit. Post flop is awkward but fine. I'd check/fold the King OTT since its hard to get value from worse and he won't bet turn with a worse hand than yours.

J9 hand bet bigger all streets for value

Checking back river is fine, hard to get value from worse

I like these posts better than your nit posts where you stack people with sets and AA/KK :-D

spew demon is definitely alive when i don't control the mental game.

Also your squeeze sizing needs to be larger. You need to maximize your fold equity and also reduce postflop SPR since you're going to be OOP.

I think a better sizing would have been $55. People will call $34 with whatever bull**** but they won't call $55 because they don't want to play for stacks with AT, AJ, and 99

Depending on stack sizes of everyone, it's not the greatest spot to have the calls-everything fish on our left.

I'm fine with the open, and although guy behind me is no doubt calling, if he's fit/foldy on the flop I'm assuming this is going to be profitable.

Calling the 3bet is obviously disgusting. Super easy fold here.

Flop is actually a lot closer than I originally thought. We're almost getting 2:1. We should have 8 clean straight outs, plus maybe add 1 for the backdoor diamond draw, plus *maybe* 1 for a Q out against hands like JJ/TT. So if we are at a very optimistic 10 outs, it might actually be a call. I would prefer calling over shoving since I think we actually want the guy behind us to pad the pot.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I pretty much thought the same thing as you except for calling vs. shoving. It was only $60 more to shove vs. calling, although he did say he folded a 6.

Any updates?

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Took a buyout from my job. Am now playing poker about 40 hours per week. Doing OK. Could be doing better. Could be doing worse.

Have decided not to keep this thread going due to the change in my status from just recreational player to grinder.

Good luck with the full time poker gig Chippy. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on playing poker as a full time pro vs part time rec, etc. (maybe you can eventually post these thoughts in another thread if you don't want to here?).

Grungood,imoG

Aye, gl, was a good read while it lasted.

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Time to change the title: More Poker, More Fulfilling Life

1) You mean "at most" 185.

2) There's a word for people who weigh less than 200 lbs, we call them women.

Maybe a little late, but interesting thread. Not sure if you're continuing it elsewhere. If not gl with the new full time gig and life goals!

Kind of a fun fact, my best friend actually played linebacker for Chip Kelly at U of Oregon 2 years ago during his collegiate career from 2009-2013. Love Chip the coach!

I was beyond 'fairly' active when I use to play sports, and workout. We would workout/train a minimum of 5-days a week year round when I was in university.

As to your weight loss goal. I wanted too assure you, the struggle of keeping/getting motivated is very very powerful no matter who you are. Without the right supporting cast around you its a long shot staying consistent, I am even hindered by it now; as someone who grew up extremely active compared to the average Joe. I want to get up and go lift weights like I did back then but the thought of getting into a gym by myself just lulls me to sleep even though I love how it makes you feel after and the ladies absolutely love it. You've got to fall in love with the process of getting in shape.

My greatest tip, Get someone on board with you. Having someone else physically out there doing it with you who wants the same goal, you'll start to feed off each others motivations when someone starts getting lax. Even just daily morning/evening walks (def not runs) that progress upwards in incremental jumps in time/length/intensity until you get to the weight you feel your absolute best at. lol at waiting to get too 185) I know plenty of people less then 6 feet who weigh +200 lbs and are very healthy.

Find a workout buddy and commit to a lifestyle change, a small habit of minimum 30 minute walks/day as a stepping stone. Finding a girl is just a smooth transition with your workout partner/wing-man after you see yourselves kicking ass and taking names in your physical goals I promise

GL!