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07-15-2015 , 06:20 AM
Great summary mate, really enjoyed reading. Unlucky not to cash after surviving that brutality. Hit 'em hard next year!
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07-15-2015 , 06:24 AM
Was unfortunate he busted. Two older guys at the final table is a pretty good story though. And they can both play too, they aren't just a couple of OMC nits. Considering how many years the final table has been filled with mostly all 20 somethings, those two making this one is a pretty good story.

Interesting thing to look out for come November. I'm not sure if the WSOP coverage was able to show it, but I was railing live at the Rio from 15 down to 9. Once Stealthmunk busted and the feature table was down to 5, it was 4 relatively short stacks and 1 monster big stack in the hands of Joe Mckeehen. 11 handed lasted near 1.5 hours. I watched this 5 handed feature table that entire time and I had a good view at the front of the rail. Mckeehen raised well over 80% of hands, closer to 90%. He was being utterly relentless on the short stacks and was totally unfazed when he got shoved over. He'd be right back to opening the very next hand. He was applying max pressure on the 4 short stacks he was seated with.

Here's what really surprised me though. He barely slowed down when they got to one 10 handed table. Despite it being a full 10 players at the table, and there now being stacks that could actually do him some damage he kept up his relentless aggression. If he dialed it back at all it wasn't by much.

So just a bit of a preview perhaps of what we might see in November.

IF he continues this way in November we are going to be seeing the most aggressive chip leader since Jarry Yang. Except obviously, he's going to do it much better than Yang did.
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07-15-2015 , 06:46 AM
So i think theres only a couple things left on the table

One did the syaracuse rounder in fact charge 2 much on the marked up

Two did the syracuse rounder in fact cheat me in the prop bet

Ok lets analyse this

Fwiw cuse is a very good nlhe player. Hes a favorite at any live game
And thus hes +ev at mtt. Does 1.3mu make sense? Idk because tbh
I dont even know what the eff you see kay mark up is lol

Lets get to the reel issue

Did the cuse rounder cheat the duke

Well its obvious the duke was gonna win

But the cuse rounder thought the duke took unfair methods to win

So the duke
Paid the cuse hundred bucks to keep it fair

In the end both of the two men are friends. Would i trust
Cuse with the safety of my dog my girl my blood brother and my parents?

Absolutey yes. Would i hand cuse my entire 50k roll in cash? 100% yes and is expect it back in full no questions asked. So thats how much i trust him even though i got dicked in the winrate bet. Hes a good guy i vouch i vouch
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07-15-2015 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by GrimIsCool
Great summary mate, really enjoyed reading. Unlucky not to cash after surviving that brutality. Hit 'em hard next year!
Thanks Grim!

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Originally Posted by ITT666
Was unfortunate he busted. Two older guys at the final table is a pretty good story though. And they can both play too, they aren't just a couple of OMC nits. Considering how many years the final table has been filled with mostly all 20 somethings, those two making this one is a pretty good story.
Yeah, I just don't think they will do much to move the needle for poker, whereas Negreanu has the notoriety and personality to really promote the game.

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Interesting thing to look out for come November. I'm not sure if the WSOP coverage was able to show it, but I was railing live at the Rio from 15 down to 9. Once Stealthmunk busted and the feature table was down to 5, it was 4 relatively short stacks and 1 monster big stack in the hands of Joe Mckeehen. 11 handed lasted near 1.5 hours. I watched this 5 handed feature table that entire time and I had a good view at the front of the rail. Mckeehen raised well over 80% of hands, closer to 90%. He was being utterly relentless on the short stacks and was totally unfazed when he got shoved over. He'd be right back to opening the very next hand. He was applying max pressure on the 4 short stacks he was seated with.
Yeah I railed live for an hour and a half or so, we left about 30 minutes before dinner break. I'll be interested to see just how good McKeehan ran on TV, although it won't tell the whole story. Obviously Daniel either made two great or two terrible lay downs with the AK preflop and whatever he had on the 9 high board. I was discussing it with Sequel and I told him I'd never fold 88 or TT+ there, 77 maybe... But I'm thinking he might have actually been tanking to hero with AQ. Without knowing the exact stack sizes and all, it's hard to say if he should have called there.. McKeehan bet the flop, checked the turn, bet the flop I believe and I think the runout was something like 94342.

The key for McKeehan's play is just how good was he running in picking up middle/bottom of his opening range hands? Like was he really opening 52o+ type hands or was he running hot to pick up connectors and one gappers and just not the total trash like 62o 72o, etc.

The situation was perfect for him with shorter stacks at his table sweating the bubble big time and the other table tanking a lot.

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Here's what really surprised me though. He barely slowed down when they got to one 10 handed table. Despite it being a full 10 players at the table, and there now being stacks that could actually do him some damage he kept up his relentless aggression. If he dialed it back at all it wasn't by much.

So just a bit of a preview perhaps of what we might see in November.

IF he continues this way in November we are going to be seeing the most aggressive chip leader since Jarry Yang. Except obviously, he's going to do it much better than Yang did.
We'll see, I think the ICM changes it a ton. Keep in mind that's the biggest bubble in poker outside of maybe the 1M One Drop, and maybe not even that. He can apply a ton of pressure to the medium stacks, because going broke ahead of a <20BB stack is an ICM disaster, so he can lean on everyone. I also think someone was in the 10-15bb range when they got there? So nobody else wants to bust before that guy gets it in. I'd expect him to be opening unopened pots a TON.

Meanwhile, here's a look at the payouts from an ICM perspective:

11th: 527K
10th: 757K (+230K)
9th: 1.001M (+244K)
8th: 1.097M (+96K)
7th: 1.203M (+106K)

People should be playing a lot more aggressively at least until they get from 9 down to 7, especially Chan and Butteroni, but even the others - Cannuli and Beckley for sure. Potentially losing out on about 200K to have a shot at 1.9M+ for the top five is a risk-reward ratio that's way different than we typically see, and than we saw from 11 down to 9.

It should make for a quicker start to the final table.
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07-16-2015 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
you know we forget that love is so powerful and influential and i am totally not shamed to say cuserounder i love you
But not like that, though, right buddy? Not that there's anything wrong with that!

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In the end both of the two men are friends. Would i trust
Cuse with the safety of my dog my girl my blood brother and my parents?

Absolutey yes.
If I had a dog, girl or blood brother, I'd trust Duke alone with them. I don't know why anyone wouldn't trust someone with their parents.

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Originally Posted by Duke0424
Would i hand cuse my entire 50k roll in cash? 100% yes and is expect it back in full no questions asked. So thats how much i trust him even though i got dicked in the winrate bet. Hes a good guy i vouch i vouch
I wouldn't hand anyone my whole roll in cash cause I'm a bankroll nit, but I'd totally get yours back to you if you handed it to me.
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07-17-2015 , 02:41 AM
Those all were rhetorical statements intended to let people know that (and how) things were worked out.
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07-17-2015 , 03:11 AM
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07-17-2015 , 03:30 AM
That's like covering your eyes, under the assumption that if you can't see the enemy, then the enemy can't see you.
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07-17-2015 , 03:40 AM
Besides...
Spoiler:
we all know you gonna peek
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07-17-2015 , 04:23 PM
cuse, no need for the ignore list. just don't respond to idiocy. Respect your own time
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07-17-2015 , 04:38 PM
Pushaholic might be a troll, but he has a top notch photo as his icon. I'm jealous of that
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07-17-2015 , 04:57 PM
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Those all were rhetorical statements intended to let people know that (and how) things were worked out.
^No response was even necessary, that was a pretty innocuous post.

Cuse is just being mean.
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07-17-2015 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ECGrinder
cuse, no need for the ignore list. just don't respond to idiocy. Respect your own time
I like that... Respect your own time.
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07-17-2015 , 11:32 PM
Respect your time,
Or your time won't respect you.
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07-18-2015 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Respect your time,
Or your time won't respect you.

Real raw rap.
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07-18-2015 , 07:11 PM
real recognizes real and you looking familiar!!!!
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07-18-2015 , 08:43 PM
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Real raw rap.

Thanks Neo.
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07-18-2015 , 09:46 PM
I put in a reservation for Live at the Bike while I'm in LA, we'll see if I'm able to get a seat...
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07-18-2015 , 10:00 PM
Looking forward to watching that game!
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07-19-2015 , 05:02 AM
Well, looks like I'm going to have to wait and see if a seat opens up - all of the seats are currently reserved. I'll let you guys know if I'm going to get on.
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07-19-2015 , 06:05 PM
Packing up all of our stuff here in Vegas. It feels like a weird combination of the last day of vacation and the last day of school.
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07-21-2015 , 04:59 AM
Graduation Day.
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07-23-2015 , 06:53 AM
My only regret so far on this road trip is not having more time... Having a blast in California. Lots of cool pics when I get some more time at the computer. Went to the most spectacular beach I've ever seen in person in my life. Visited about five cool bars in Venice Beach/Santa Monica tonight with an old friend. Sometimes it's really awesome to hang out with your non-poker friends and keep some perspective on just how good we have it in so many ways.
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07-23-2015 , 06:02 PM
Looks like there's a pretty good shot that I get on LATB tonight... I'll keep you guys posted!
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07-23-2015 , 07:48 PM
Please do... Maybe ill renew my subscription and watch... Wifes gone tonite!
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