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Great summary mate, really enjoyed reading. Unlucky not to cash after surviving that brutality. Hit 'em hard next year!
Thanks Grim!
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Was unfortunate he busted. Two older guys at the final table is a pretty good story though. And they can both play too, they aren't just a couple of OMC nits. Considering how many years the final table has been filled with mostly all 20 somethings, those two making this one is a pretty good story.
Yeah, I just don't think they will do much to move the needle for poker, whereas Negreanu has the notoriety and personality to really promote the game.
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Interesting thing to look out for come November. I'm not sure if the WSOP coverage was able to show it, but I was railing live at the Rio from 15 down to 9. Once Stealthmunk busted and the feature table was down to 5, it was 4 relatively short stacks and 1 monster big stack in the hands of Joe Mckeehen. 11 handed lasted near 1.5 hours. I watched this 5 handed feature table that entire time and I had a good view at the front of the rail. Mckeehen raised well over 80% of hands, closer to 90%. He was being utterly relentless on the short stacks and was totally unfazed when he got shoved over. He'd be right back to opening the very next hand. He was applying max pressure on the 4 short stacks he was seated with.
Yeah I railed live for an hour and a half or so, we left about 30 minutes before dinner break. I'll be interested to see just how good McKeehan ran on TV, although it won't tell the whole story. Obviously Daniel either made two great or two terrible lay downs with the AK preflop and whatever he had on the 9 high board. I was discussing it with Sequel and I told him I'd never fold 88 or TT+ there, 77 maybe... But I'm thinking he might have actually been tanking to hero with AQ. Without knowing the exact stack sizes and all, it's hard to say if he should have called there.. McKeehan bet the flop, checked the turn, bet the flop I believe and I think the runout was something like 94342.
The key for McKeehan's play is just how good was he running in picking up middle/bottom of his opening range hands? Like was he really opening 52o+ type hands or was he running hot to pick up connectors and one gappers and just not the total trash like 62o 72o, etc.
The situation was perfect for him with shorter stacks at his table sweating the bubble big time and the other table tanking a lot.
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Here's what really surprised me though. He barely slowed down when they got to one 10 handed table. Despite it being a full 10 players at the table, and there now being stacks that could actually do him some damage he kept up his relentless aggression. If he dialed it back at all it wasn't by much.
So just a bit of a preview perhaps of what we might see in November.
IF he continues this way in November we are going to be seeing the most aggressive chip leader since Jarry Yang. Except obviously, he's going to do it much better than Yang did.
We'll see, I think the ICM changes it a ton. Keep in mind that's the biggest bubble in poker outside of maybe the 1M One Drop, and maybe not even that. He can apply a ton of pressure to the medium stacks, because going broke ahead of a <20BB stack is an ICM disaster, so he can lean on everyone. I also think someone was in the 10-15bb range when they got there? So nobody else wants to bust before that guy gets it in. I'd expect him to be opening unopened pots a TON.
Meanwhile, here's a look at the payouts from an ICM perspective:
11th: 527K
10th: 757K (+230K)
9th: 1.001M (+244K)
8th: 1.097M (+96K)
7th: 1.203M (+106K)
People should be playing a lot more aggressively at least until they get from 9 down to 7, especially Chan and Butteroni, but even the others - Cannuli and Beckley for sure. Potentially losing out on about 200K to have a shot at 1.9M+ for the top five is a risk-reward ratio that's way different than we typically see, and than we saw from 11 down to 9.
It should make for a quicker start to the final table.