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02-18-2012 , 01:07 PM
That's one side of the coin indeed and why I made the call rather than 4bet. So I could collect all his bluff cbets and anytime he decided to go spaz but I'm not sure if this is a play to make in a 3way pot vs 2 people I only have a few hundred hands on since I'm getting stacked if either hit their set and they're getting a good price.

Knowing the result I actually prefer my call since it means he's never getting away from his hand and I might get the station to stack too Not knowing he has KK I'm still not sure....
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02-18-2012 , 06:25 PM
Spent the afternoon starting to read balugawhales "Easy Game" and must say it's a good read so far. Realised a lot of times I'm not going for thin value where I should be and how certain hand's do a lot better vs certain player types ranges, I also realised I'm being far too nitty defending against 3bets, I notice a lot of regs are defending vs me with like 99+ AJ+ where I only continue super tight and need to open up more.

Hands - 605
Time - 1.3 hours
Profit - $64.04

Lost a reasonble size pot to flush over flush but the guy was so passive I ended up not having to pay for it Some maniac fish also decided to trap me with his nut flush but then bet like 1/5th pot on the river so it only cost me 25bb /lol.

My thoughts on the hand about defending more 3bets where I just spew like crazy but it's TLDR so you can just ignore it :P
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So yeah about that defending more against 3bets. I thought this was a good place to start. Villain was 17/17 over 24 hands so can assume he's some flavour of TAG. Thought if he was 3betting light he's gonna bet out his entire range here to rep AK/KK/AA and for some reason people love to bet QQ/JJ here too. I was planning to fold to the double barrel on a non T turn but then the K hits and he fires 1/2 again. Now to me if he actually had the K (which is less likely now) why the hell is he betting it? So with the assumption here that he dosen't have the K here I wanted to find a better move than fold. If I call I'm gonna have a tough river. If I check it behind I think I'm gonna see JJ/QQ/AA a significant portion of the time and sometimes he's gonna go for 3barrels with air. So I thought if I raise here he's gonna fold out all air/JJ/QQ and probably AA and only continue here with AK/KK which I don't think play this way as it'd fold out my entire range. Maybe I'm overthinking this situation and it's just horrible spew because if he was thinking properly he'd realise no way I'm raising any K hand here for the same reasons....


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    BB: $32.99 (132 bb)
    UTG+2: $25 (100 bb)
    MP1: $25 (100 bb)
    MP2: $26.76 (107 bb)
    MP3: $21.98 (87.9 bb)
    Hero (CO): $26.40 (105.6 bb)
    BTN: $25.67 (102.7 bb)
    SB: $5.89 (23.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with T T
    4 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, BB raises to $2.60, Hero calls $1.75

    Flop: ($5.30) 8 5 K (2 players)
    BB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

    Turn: ($10.30) K (2 players)
    BB bets $5, Hero raises to $12, BB folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $20.30 pot ($0.91 rake)
    Final Board: 8 5 K K
    BB mucked and lost (-$10.10 net)
    Hero mucked T T and won $19.39 ($9.29 net)



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    My first 24hour period where I made more than $200 (if you include the 2 sats I won) so whooopiee for me making some cheeseburgers

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    02-18-2012 , 06:30 PM
    I actually really like the way you played that hand, don't think it's spewy at all.

    I think i might do some reading into defending against 3bets as well, i call 3bets like 7% of the time and 4bet/fold the rest.

    Sick session as well, keep it up and best of luck.
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    02-18-2012 , 06:45 PM
    Not so sure, I literally only beat a bluff so gotta give villain enough credit to fold a in 3bet pot (some can't lol) .

    It's worth working on, I only call 15% of 3bets and I know I want to get it higher as 1) villain thinks more about 3betting you light and 2) Get's you to play some decent postflop poker. From what I've read it's not as complex as we all make it I'd just like to be at that point
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    02-19-2012 , 03:12 AM
    just set your standards for BR and don't be scared...you were born into World naked and you'll leave with some clothes on and turn to dust, so the money is nothing...just be the best you can be at every situation...WIN!

    GL! Brett
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    02-19-2012 , 01:50 PM
    Another session in and the vpps are starting to rack up, might be able to go for platinum this month if I put in the hours (stop being lazy!) :P

    Hands - 1441
    Time - 2.2 hours
    Profit - $9.37

    This is gotta be the swingiest session ever. First 50hands I'm up 2 BI coolering someone flush over set and stacking someone's overpair with a set. Then comes the meltdown Flopped trips with top kicker in a 3bet pot and villain turns up with fullhouse!! Still not sure why he's 3betting KJ vs my steals but there we go... Then drop another BI vs some station who flatted my 4bet with AA vs my KK lost another BI with two fish making their draws on the river when I'd commited them on the turn but there we go..... Managed to claw back a BI and a half so overall I'm happy.

    Hopefully the tables will be fishy tonight since it's a sunday and can get some nice volume done. This hand was quite interesting.
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    Villain is a weird reg, runs 18/14 but only cbets 44% of the time and only 3bets 2% so quite passive but then this the third time he's donked out of 9. Really not sure about the flop call, I debated a while what the hell he's donking with, donking with air into a multiway pot is suicidal and yet donking a hand with showdown AT/AJ is equally ******ed but it just felt too nitty to fold KK so readily. Once he checks the turn I don't think he's slowplaying any monsters so either he's got AQ/AJ/AT or giving up on his bluff so I lead out for 60% pot to try and get some value.

    The river is beyond strange, now knowing what he had I have no idea what he thought was calling that he beat and basically turned his hand into a bluff. At the time I was obviously not folding but deciding between Call/raise giving his weird line, there was no straight on the board and how can he have the flush? Maybe AJ/AQ but wouldn't he barrel the turn here or C/R it? So decided on raising but I thought shoving is gonna scare him out with whatever weird hand he has and people hate minraises because they see themselves getting such great odds that they only have to be right a fraction of the time so they hero call


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      CO: $30.09 (120.4 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $26.32 (105.3 bb)
      SB: $16.92 (67.7 bb)
      BB: $37.30 (149.2 bb)
      UTG+2: $9.48 (37.9 bb)
      MP1: $10 (40 bb)
      MP2: $25.15 (100.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
      5 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60

      Flop: ($2.55) A 4 9 (3 players)
      SB checks, BB bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, SB folds

      Turn: ($6.05) K (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $3.46, BB calls $3.46

      River: ($12.97) 6 (2 players)
      BB bets $6.19, Hero raises to $12.38, BB calls $6.19

      Spoiler:
      Results: $37.73 pot ($1.70 rake)
      Final Board: A 4 9 K 6
      Hero showed K K and won $36.03 ($17.59 net)
      BB mucked A J and lost (-$18.44 net)



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      And thank you Runninman I'll keep trying
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      02-19-2012 , 04:09 PM
      I assume ure folding to a turn barrel? Then I really like your line. His hand is really capped at AK so nice value squeezing you did there sir
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      02-19-2012 , 04:36 PM
      Yeah I fold to turn barrel on a non K, maybe if it's an A I'll think about it. I still don't get why he donked AJ though, he's setting his decent showdown hand on fire =/. Still think the flop call is questionable as I'm unsure of his bluff range but don't wanna play like a nit
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      02-19-2012 , 04:39 PM
      I think that's a snap float as you would with 910s or such. Fishies gonna fishie
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      02-19-2012 , 04:47 PM
      Lol so true, bad regs are gonna be bad and we need to take their money! Hah not sure I float with 9Ts there, I'm nowhere near as laggy as you but I'm trying to be! Started spewing postflop to see if I can be laggy
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      02-19-2012 , 05:21 PM
      910s is da nutzz in this spot u serious??
      It's not spewing- its called controlled aggression
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      02-19-2012 , 05:34 PM
      I'm about 3hours short of my 35hour target for table time this week however I think I'm just going to let it slide because A) I've done a fair amount of studying (might do another hour tonight) and B) Had such a good week I think I deserve a break.

      Hands - 1276
      Time - 2.0 hours
      Profit - $65.71

      Can't complain about, another good session under my belt and I now feel confident with my BR ($1400) playing 25nl without worrying about the money too much. SO glad I didn't drop back down to 10nl after 2 breakeven days and about to drop back under $1000 dollar roll. Since then I've booked 4 back to back sessions totalling $400 which I couldn't of done at 10nl and it's really boosted my confidence that I can play at this level.

      I've been reading both of baluga whales books and they really are the nuts. Every chapter brings up something that I already have read/thought I knew/realise I don't and breaks it down quite easily (although I wish it was longer) and although a lot of the plays can't be used at these levels (because villains are just too bad) the thought process' behind them really are showing me how to improve my postflop play. They're also building on the solid foundation I picked up from reading Splits book (Dynamic full ring poker) which I would highly recomended to just about anyone playing at these levels and while it is a long read it is well worth it.

      So I had a realisation that I really suck at facing aggression postflop, I just have no real idea how to deal with it properly and I think a lot of people have the same issue and they either fold too much or call to much. So I decided since I can't immediately get better at facing aggression postflop, what I can do is do it to everyone else (within reason) and see what I can learn. So I present you my spew/not so spew for the session

      After seeing blakkmans thread and how laggy he is, I decided this was a good spot to be aggressive, normally I check the turn but here I want to definetly barrel my equity and get him off his.
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        BTN: $28.44 (113.8 bb)
        SB: $25.10 (100.4 bb)
        BB: $25 (100 bb)
        UTG+1: $28 (112 bb)
        UTG+2: $25 (100 bb)
        MP1: $25 (100 bb)
        MP2: $10.75 (43 bb)
        MP3: $10 (40 bb)
        Hero (CO): $25 (100 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 A
        UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls $1.75

        Flop: ($5.35) 2 2 7 (2 players)
        UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $3.83, UTG+2 calls $3.83

        Turn: ($13.01) 5 (2 players)
        UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $9.31, UTG+2 folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: $13.01 pot ($0.59 rake)
        Final Board: 2 2 7 5
        UTG+2 mucked and lost (-$6.33 net)
        Hero mucked 9 A and won $12.42 ($6.09 net)



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        And again, make him make the really tough call for his entire stack with QQ/JJ while I rep KK/AA so easily (I mean what TAG is gonna do this without an overpair), these people will not be taking my pots anymore


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          MP2: $23.78 (95.1 bb)
          MP3: $25 (100 bb)
          Hero (CO): $25 (100 bb)
          BTN: $83.39 (333.6 bb)
          SB: $25 (100 bb)
          BB: $25 (100 bb)
          UTG+1: $27.09 (108.4 bb)
          UTG+2: $30.09 (120.4 bb)
          MP1: $40.83 (163.3 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is CO with A 2
          UTG+1 raises to $0.75, 4 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $1.75

          Flop: ($5.35) 8 7 7 (2 players)
          UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3.06, UTG+1 calls $3.06

          Turn: ($11.47) 4 (2 players)
          UTG+1 bets $5, Hero raises to $11.75, UTG+1 folds

          Spoiler:
          Results: $21.47 pot ($0.97 rake)
          Final Board: 8 7 7 4
          Hero mucked A 2 and won $20.50 ($9.94 net)
          UTG+1 mucked and lost (-$10.56 net)



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          Graph for the day, bring on the increasing redline

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          02-19-2012 , 05:44 PM
          weeee ez game

          haha nice i could help! keep up the craziness
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          02-20-2012 , 03:19 PM
          I really do despise playing before the evening, huge queues for all the tables and crappy reg/fish ratio so gotta constantly table hop which annoys me but needs to be done so best just get on with it although I think time spent studying is probably just as good...

          Hands - 1282
          Time - 2.0 hours
          Profit - $26.43

          This session promised to be one of the most tilting ever thanks to one annoying player but in the end I came out ahead with a 1 BI profit although it should of been a lot more....

          So about this villain, he's just moved up from short stacking 10nl to full stacking 25nl and well to be honest, he's pretty bad... But run good is all that matters

          First hand he 3bets my MP open with TT in the blinds (**** knows why??) and proceeds to flop quads against me, 1 BI gone . Next orbit I call his EP raise to setmine with 99. Raise his flop cbet with my set and he jams over with his AA, he has top set . Orbit after he 3bets my MP raise on the BU and I flat, check check a low flop and I bet out the turn to which he raises and I snap all in. He calls with AK and hits A on the river FML. Almost went into meltdown mode but just left the tables he was on and tried to keep playing without any tilt.

          This hand was really funny because on the river I sighed and said to myself "well he has it" and before I clicked fold started to type in the notes section "tripple barrels overpairs on low wet boards". Then decided **** it no he dosen't clicked call - Had to ammend that note :P

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            MP1: $25.66 (102.6 bb)
            MP2: $25.70 (102.8 bb)
            MP3: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
            Hero (CO): $31.74 (127 bb)
            BTN: $25 (100 bb)
            SB: $13.96 (55.8 bb)
            BB: $17.06 (68.2 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is CO with T T
            2 folds, MP3 raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds, BB calls $0.50

            Flop: ($2.35) 2 6 8 (3 players)
            BB checks, MP3 bets $2, Hero calls $2, BB folds

            Turn: ($6.35) 9 (2 players)
            MP3 bets $5, Hero calls $5

            River: ($16.35) 6 (2 players)
            MP3 bets $9, Hero calls $9

            Spoiler:
            Results: $34.35 pot ($1.55 rake)
            Final Board: 2 6 8 9 6
            MP3 showed 4 A and lost (-$16.75 net)
            Hero showed T T and won $32.80 ($16.05 net)



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            And this is something I'm trying to get better at, when a nit tells you he beats an overpair, he beats an overpair and you fold. On a side note my sizing on the turn is awful not followed far behind by my flop although I was in fairness trying to give them both a price to come along.

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              MP3: $11.54 (46.2 bb)
              CO: $10 (40 bb)
              Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)
              SB: $13.84 (55.4 bb)
              BB: $17.84 (71.4 bb)
              UTG+2: $10.52 (42.1 bb)
              MP1: $10.85 (43.4 bb)
              MP2: $25 (100 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A
              5 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

              Flop: ($2.25) 6 9 2 (3 players)
              SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.29, SB calls $1.29, BB folds

              Turn: ($4.83) T (2 players)
              SB checks, Hero bets $2.76, SB calls $2.76

              River: ($10.35) 3 (2 players)
              SB bets $7.90, Hero folds

              Spoiler:
              Results: $10.35 pot ($0.47 rake)
              Final Board: 6 9 2 T 3
              Hero mucked A A and lost (-$4.80 net)
              SB mucked and won $9.88 ($5.08 net)



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              Gf coming round this evening but might see if I can squeeze in an hour or two.
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              02-20-2012 , 03:26 PM
              lol u are a station bro
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              02-20-2012 , 03:30 PM
              Bluff catching bro, bluff catching, read his soul etc.
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              02-20-2012 , 03:42 PM
              same with my set. i haz soulreadingskillzzzz :P
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              02-20-2012 , 03:52 PM
              Just because what he turned up with was hilarious, np guys gonna check my boat on the river because I'm a nit reg

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                UTG+2: $27.32 (109.3 bb)
                MP1: $25 (100 bb)
                MP2: $9.35 (37.4 bb)
                MP3: $25 (100 bb)
                Hero (CO): $52.10 (208.4 bb)
                BTN: $14.48 (57.9 bb)
                SB: $24 (96 bb)
                BB: $25 (100 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is CO with T K
                4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, BB calls $0.50

                Flop: ($1.60) A K 8 (2 players)
                BB checks, Hero checks

                Turn: ($1.60) 4 (2 players)
                BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

                River: ($3.60) 8 (2 players)
                BB checks, Hero checks

                Spoiler:
                Results: $3.60 pot ($0.16 rake)
                Final Board: A K 8 4 8
                Hero mucked T K and lost (-$1.75 net)
                BB showed K 8 and won $3.44 ($1.69 net)



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                02-20-2012 , 04:09 PM
                nice thread so far imo
                whats ur br at? do you take shots or you wait till u hit at least 30BIs?
                glglgl
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                02-20-2012 , 04:18 PM
                BR is slightly over $1400. I don't like taking shots with atleast 40 BI's for the next level since I end up playing scared money
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                02-20-2012 , 04:22 PM
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by Kamacry
                BR is slightly over $1400. I don't like taking shots with atleast 40 BI's for the next level since I end up playing scared money
                and your still playing 10nl? your just wasting time in a way imo
                you could be making more money during this time and moving up faster if you move up imo
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                02-20-2012 , 04:27 PM
                Well if you checked the HH or did the math you'd see I'm playing 25nl :P If this was just a hobby I'd probably use more aggressive BRM.
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                02-20-2012 , 04:35 PM
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by Kamacry
                Well if you checked the HH or did the math you'd see I'm playing 25nl :P If this was just a hobby I'd probably use more aggressive BRM.
                i just read the majority of ur posts where u played 10nl and looks like u kept winning so thats why i mentioned it. anyways, keep it up.
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                02-20-2012 , 04:44 PM
                but still:

                BR nits ITT
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                02-20-2012 , 04:46 PM
                Ah I see, and yeah playing 10nl with 140buyins would be a huge waste when 25nl isn't amazingly harder but the money you can make is Thanks and you too hopefully
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