no no fold pre is correct

Havent been playing long but quick update, im running better even if ive had AA cracked 2/3 times, my decisions have been good, im 6 tabling TAG, its so much better than lag at these limits.

woohoo nice day today, +8.56, +4.47 session and +4.09 rakeback

was on a heater tbh but played a good TAG game over 6 tables, will be topping my BR upto $40 to speed things up and to have an actual 20BI roll just in case.

Will most likely play another session later tonight.

It's a shame but there aren't really any HH's to post, I guess that comes with playing TAG though.

So ill try to add a poker related discussion each day, todays being C-betting/2 barreling at the micros. I feel like I can C-bet the correct boards a lot, board texture, wet/dry etc, however after trying to play more TAG today, it made me think how often can I 2 barrel at the micros, I would do it before but only to the regs who I felt were c/c/floating.

What are your thoughts on c-betting/2 barreling at the micros, in the long run is it going to be profitable if you get it right, or is it just a way to pay off fish for there 2nd pair?

You shouldnt be aiming to play either TAG or LAG. Each situation should be taken for what it is. I mean you dont fold Q4s on the BTN with 2 nits in the blinds because you play TAG. You should be raising because it is profitable to make that play.
Double barreling is profitable at the micros as long as you do it in the right situation and against the right players. No point DB against a Fish with air when an Ace hits the turn and he cant fold bottom pair. Against a Reg who can make a fold that play can work when a scare card to his hand hits on th turn.

Completely true, I worded it bad, I meant TAG overall and of course LAG in some situations. I agree with your thoughts on DB, its player dependant and of course scare cards can change their (regs) thought process, floating second pair when another over hits makes it harder for them to call.

I think im taking a too "make a list of what TAG/LAG consists of and follow it like the bible" rather than thinking what actions are +EV in that situation.

i rarely 2 barrel at the micros for known reasons (fish dont fold middlepair, chase draws to death etc..) so what u need to do is evaluate wheter or not your opponent is one of these fishs and adjust.

your image on the table is also important: if u play like a nit obv. u have much better fold equity on the second shot (not necessarily on the c-bet! because TAG-nit multitabler like to cbet alot imo.). if u play LAG, ppl give u less credit and call more often.

imo c-betting is +EV in the long run , especially if your image is tight and u have shown some strong hands. i c-bet ~70%.

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN): $2.00
SB: $1.31
BB: $3.38
UTG: $1.40
MP: $3.71
CO: $2.05

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with 9 9
UTG raises to $0.08, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.08, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.19) Q 5 9 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.04, Hero raises to $0.14, UTG raises to $0.24, Hero raises to $1.92 all in, UTG calls $1.08 all in

Turn: ($2.83) A (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($2.83) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

show up with crap, IDO.

Just play TAG at 2nl. I would play straightforward ABC poker fold crappy hands bet good hands. At 2nl, a vast majority of the players are oblivious to table image, position, bet sizing, etc. There are such a disproportionate amount of +EV opportunities at 2nl just from the fact most players don't give a **** about $2 and just about anybody is willing to get it in with any part of the flop. Play only strong hands you'll be surprised how much action you get.

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It gets a little tedious and boring after a while, but hang in there ad Grind it out!
Trust me, I know

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $1.39
SB: $2.05
BB: $3.59
UTG: $1.36
Hero (MP): $2.00
CO: $2.00

CO posts a big blind ($0.02)

Pre Flop: ($0.05) Hero is MP with A 9
UTG calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, CO checks, BTN calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.12) 3 4 5 (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.12, UTG folds, Hero calls $0.12, CO raises to $0.24, BTN folds, SB calls $0.24, BB raises to $1.20, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $1.98 all in, CO calls $1.74 all in, SB raises to $2.03 all in, BB calls $0.83

Turn: ($8.14) 4 (4 players - 3 are all in)

River: ($8.14) 2 (4 players - 3 are all in)

Not sure about this, the way I saw it, I was getting a very good price for the nut flush draw, it crossed my mind that someone might have a set and that removes some of my outs, someone could have flopped a straight and maybe theirs one other flush draw as well.

After working it out, I was a 26% chance to win, 4:1 on my money gives me the right odds to call as well.

Am I right? I used www.pokercalculatoronline.com

First session of today, went fine, im a little concerned about my red line but at least im going to showdown or getting my money in as a favourite and my hands holding up for once.

I made 1 bad decision that cost me a BI, I raise UTG with AK, he 3bets, i check him out, 3bet :14% over 79 hands and is playing 25/22, so i push, he shows AA, is this push +EV in the long run considering hell probably show up with a worse hand more often than not.

I think it was bad timing given how he was playing.

11/8 - 13/8, my graph so far... 1000x better than how I was playing, WR = 20.7/100

I think the hand is fine. You have checked his stats and gone with your read. I would probably just raised though instead of shoving, it can put you in some awkward spots when you get called but it also keeps villains range a little more open. I mean you shove and a decent player is only calling you with his top end but you raise and they may get funky with JJ QQ Aq etc which is what we want.
I had the same sort of hand this morning against someone running 31/18 with 8.3% 3bet over 217 hands and a 31% 3bet against a blind steal. I opened from the button with AK and he 3bet as expected, i raised and he shoved, going with reads it is a call. He had QQ and i hit.

I'm not too keen on 4betting with AK, If i get 3bet I prefer to see a flop especially at 2nl but like you say, a fish might see a 4bet as just a move/bluff and push wider than they would - player dependant imo, when i pushed over the top, I was expecting to see a fold or AQ/AJ/AT.

Full Tilt Poker $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $2.00
CO: $1.64
BTN: $3.68
SB: $2.06
Hero (BB): $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with A A
1 fold, CO raises to $0.07, BTN calls $0.07, SB calls $0.06, Hero raises to $0.44, CO calls $0.37, BTN calls $0.37, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.39) 5 T 7 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.68, CO calls $0.68, BTN folds

Turn: ($2.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.88 all in, CO calls $0.52 all in

River: ($3.79) 8 (2 players - 2 are all in)

My showdown line truly represented right here...



What can I do here, I cant sit around folding AA all day... should I be worried by his call, is he made, is he drawing?

-sigh- Disgusting session, tilting is honestly holding me back more than anything else, I'm thinking about picking up "The Poker Mindset" and hopefully this will lend a helping hand.

It seems like one hand which frustrates me or one bad beat then leads to losing 3 buy ins due to tilt, I'm happy with my play, my decision making is sometimes a little off but in general I'm improving, I'm studying the micros more and reading threads daily.

So for now, just staying cool calm and collected during sessions is my next goal.

That is a nasty downswing sir, I'm in a similar position to you learning @2nl. One thing I do when I get around the -3BI mark is I ask myself if I'm ready to lose more money. Making myself answer the question leads me to cutting out of my session cause the answer has always been no so far. I'm not sure if it will work for you but it works for me.

At 5nl, I just went through a 20bi downswing from which I recovered. It happens..I have 2 of those in 100k hands

I was starting to think that I was the only one thinking that being weak tight at 2nl was paying off. Glad to see I am not alone. The only difference is that I prefer to say "Play very conservatively" instead of "Be weak tight".

GL OP

@Throwing Things, I was talking to a friend about stop loss for the day, I think from now on if im down 3 Bi's, ill ask myself am I still bringing a profitable game to the table and if not ill take a break. I think once I can do this things will pick up.

@Dan233, that sounds so disgusting, how much tilt affect the downswing? I cant imagine still wanting to open Full Tilt after a 20 BI downswing.

@donkey111, I tried out, in a few spots where it looked profitable, playing weak tight, the only thing i dont like about it is, its very hard to know where you are and with fish being so unpredictable it makes it even harder.

Thanks for the replies, I forgot to say, heres my session earlier, haven't put in a lot of volume yet, might set a volume goal for each day but i'll see.



Aint it beautiful?

First session of the day, the two big drops you can see are from these hands, AA vs J3, money went in on flop, board was KJx, turn a 3, and the second hand, 77 vs KQ, multi way raised pot, board : KQ7, money in on flop, turns a Q.

One hand which was kind of due to tilt, he was 24/22 money goes in pre flop, he shows KK, i river an Ace. But even after that one tilt hand, I feel my tilt control has come on a tonne, and how much im playing hands IP and taking pots down which is shown by my red line .

Although not the most profitable session, I feel like I played well, my money went in as a 80/20 favourite in my 2 biggest losses, I came out on the bad side but thats poker.

Will definitely put in another session soon, and hopefully some HH's, this threads getting a bit dry now, need something to bring it back to life!

gl op im trying to get something similar down,

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...er-pro-850239/

heres my blog too.

http://pokeraddicttopokerpro.blogspot.com/

sounds like were in the same boat.

gl

Hi OP, i just read the entire thread.
I wanted to wish u luck, and also ask u a question.

Don't post hands where u lose ur AA, are u seriously thinking about folding AA in any spot? Let me tell u something, the only time i will ever fold AA on 2NL (and prolly even 5nl) is id the board has 4 to a flush or 4 to a straight and a pocket in his range might have made it. Never ever ever fold AA. I you get stacked by KK flopping it, just remember that if he didnt have it he would stack you anyways. And that the guy prolly would get stacked with 3-3 in the same spot too.

Id also like to say that you neednt worry about leaks if u havent at least played >30k hands (sum say >50k). Tilt control however is like 100 times more important, when u do get in a legitimate downswing (and u will) it is so important that u dont shove the rest of ur roll in because 'u deserve to get lucky too'. Im having a very hard time crushing 2nl, i used to dominate 10nl-25nl. 2NL can be very frustrating and u really need to get back to the absolute basics, play ABC and never talk about ranges or floating unless villains is playing 15/10 with 5-7 3bet% over at least 300 hands.

Ur biggest leak is (without checking ur stats and what not) is cbetting prolly 80% and 2nd-3rd barreling with air. If u can just get these two leaks out ull see that ur game improves dramatically. Hope it helps mate gl gl gl.

@NASH3R, I'll be following your thread as well, i use to see you a lot on FT 6max 2nl, you move up? switched sites?

@Mr2511, we have a certified legitimate soul reader, wow after looking back through my sessions i can safely say that without c-betting so much, 2-3 barrelling and minus tilt, im pretty much there for 2nl, a few more tweaks and everythings good in my eyes.

With the hands where i lose with AA there are a few spots which is just obvious poker where you can fold AA even at 2nl, maybe well agree to disagree, but on a dry board, AA is going in. I post them mainly because there sometimes my biggest losing hand, and if i can post it, have someone give their view and then next time a similiar situation comes around, im more knowledgable about it and can play it better.

But yeah sometimes there a rant, it is tilting, so someone should hear about it lol, its either here or BBV .

Thanks for the replies and I hope you keep up with this thread.

Quick update: I'm slacking a LOT, just seem to be doing anything but poker atm, although its still on the mind, im playing live with friends more, learning things there as im pretty new to it. I will look to set a volume goal soon as Ive only put in about 5500-7000 hands I think. Maybe start with 500/day then 1k etc.

I'll also be looking to buy HEM as ive found it much better than PT3.

WR, I'm really not up a lot, after that stupid -7 BI tilt day, it pretty much wiped my profit, from my graphs on my other computer, i was winning at 27.8bb/100 over 3k hands ish, definitely not anything to go by but promising. Id estimate im winning at 7bb/100 if I was pushed for a figure.

Thats all for now!

Hi Mate,

Im finally making a nice profit.

I was on a sick rollercoaster and that resulted in a crazy break even stretch.
Started taking shots at 5NL yesterday with $ 90(slightly underrolled i guess). And dropped to 75 lol. So grinding out 2NL sum more, hope u doing good as well.

As for the HEM, i use it too its awesome.
Just Pm-ed u BTW.

Gl on the Felt!