What do you think your ROI is max late regging tourneys vs regging on time? I'm beginning to wonder if personally my skill edge in tournaments can compensate for the huge EV advantage of buying in late. And if max late regging is worth so much in EV that EV has to come from somewhere right? The on time players. Regging early you get to play deep and really exploit any skill edge but regging in the middle I think is just a really bad idea. Or at least it is for me. What do you think?

Good luck!

Hey ChipWynn ! First off thank you for the good luck.

There is a big debate regarding playing from the start vs max late reg. Personally I refuse to buyin at the first level in mtts with 4 or 5 hour late reg. I do not study 200-300bb chip ev poker. Most of our mtt grind will be <50bb ante poker. Where you make the most $$$ will be at the end of the tournament <30bb. This is the area to study the most imo. Just get extremely good at 30 bb and less and ofc ICM. People just lighting money on fire in icm spots. Jans Arends aka Graftekkel, one of the best mtt players of all time, put me onto this when he spoke about the topic. Essentially he was saying that our chips are worth more $$ wise when we buyin late bc half the field has already been eliminated and so the icm value of our chips has increased.

Just in terms of $/hour also. Like if we have to spend an extra 4 hours of late reg with a table on our screen, we will make less than if we max late reg. We will be giving up some roi% in the game bc we don't get to benefit from the bad play at the early levels, but that still doesn't make up for having to play an extra 4 hours of an mtt. The hourly works out higher in terms of raw $/hr if you max late reg and this has been proven by many high stakes players. However, you will experience more variance bc of playing shorter stacks in general.


Also the more you play deeper in mtts with less of the field remaining, the more experience you have in an icm environment where all the big money decisions are being made. You will be less tired deeper into the session bc you haven't been grinding 4 or 5 hours of late reg to get to that point. This is all just my opinion on the matter. Many others like to play from the start and build stacks. I just think it will hurt your bottom line vs late regging and studying <30bb poker and icm.

A lot of the global mtts are only one hour late reg so I'll play from the start of some of those but I have never(and never will) played an acr tournament from the start with their structures. Barring the odd satty to a bigger event where you are forced to.

That's was a bit muddled as I worte my thoughts from my phone just now but hope you get something from it. GL

I'm Team Play From The Beginning although, like you (I think), I only play on one site with deep stacks and super long late reg so the number of games that I do that for per session is like 4 or 5. My logic is that you don't have to put in 100 hours of hardcore solver grind in order to figure out how to make an insane profit off of people willing to stick in 500bb pre with AK, or will call down three streets of 125% pot bets with middle pair+. You have a strong point about fatigue, that is real, but personally if I'm sitting down for a session, I understand it's going to be a long one, and a lot of the deep stack ones you can just throw in a corner and wait for value hands to hammer with until close to late reg ending.

Yep that's a fair enough point Rolled High. Your bb/100 will defo increase playing the early game. This will mean a higher winrate in said game. You will have less variance as you have come to the end of late reg with a bigger stack on average. However, I still stand by saying your $/hr will still be lower than max late regging. Just my opinion and I may be wrong. Just going by what most of the HS players concensus is on the discussion.

For the $55's and $33's freezouts on global I often play from the start as it's only 6x 10 min levels of late reg. In this instance, I think regging early may actually produce the highest hourly given it's only one hour extra in a 4 hour mtt. But on ACR, I can't justify playing a 10 hour mtt instead of playing 5 hours. I don't think we profit 2x more/per game buying in early vs max late reg.

Ofc it also depends on your skillset. If you are very good at deepstack poker/ have cash game experience, then it makes more sense to buy in early. It's a topic that will continue to be discussed for sure

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say, but $/hr is different than $/table/hr. If you are sitting down at 2pm and regging until 10pm, the only reason to late reg a game that starts at 3pm is if you don't have the screen space for it. But obv I'm not suggestion you start your sesh 2 hours early in order to early reg a 22.

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/c...nrate-_122775/

https://blog.gtowizard.com/the-icm-b...r-tournaments/

Here's a link to 2 articles that should explain it

To your point about the only reason to late reg a game is if you don't have space for it, that's it in a nutshell. If everyone plays a 10 hour session and everyone plays 10 tables then why do some people make more money than others? It's simple. The guys max regging make more money. They play a 10 hour session just like the guys playing from the start of the mtt. But they obviously get to play more mtt's bc each one takes less time as it's at the end of late reg. They have a higher hourly. Their winrate in terms of bb/100 will be lower but they will make more money in raw dollars.


"I estimate that max late regging gives me a 10% equity boost but more importantly it means I can play twice as many tournaments. So let’s say my winrate per tournament has gone from 30% to 40% by max late regging, but I can play twice as many so that is effectively increasing my hourly from 30% to 80%."

"Late registration is undeniably profitable, but if you play poker for enjoyment or want to play many hands, then it might not be for you. If you are a high-volume player who wants to maximize their hourly, it is perhaps the most profitable single decision you will make every session."

"You can win equity in tournaments when you are not involved in a hand
Late registering means you start closer to the money and gain equity from all the players who bust before you
You get more equity late registering in flatter payout structures
You get more equity late registering in larger fields
You win the tournament less often but win more money overall when you late register
Shallow stack depths are easier to play
Registering late also boosts your hourly meaning you play fewer hours or can play more tournaments
Late registering a PKO tournament is a bad idea, but late registering a Mystery Bounty is usually profitable."

17/28 $5,400 up top. Nice sweat

Nvm. Out in 26th for $114.52. Maybe made a bad call but not sure. Called a 3b with AJhh vs a whale. Flop K76 with backdoor hearts. I called a small c bet and they shoved Jc turn for less than pot. I called with pair of jacks but i think it's pretty punty. They had kqss and held. FWIW the guy was a complete whale cold calling 3bets and doing all sorts of dumb **** so I guess it can't be that bad. His bluffs come from Ax club draws and AQ/QT type hands. Vs whale you will see the odd random hand also like 44-99 even qjs there sometimes too. Kinda tilted though. I lost my composure as I kept having to raise fold very standard opens. There were 2 whales to my direct left (inc the one who ko'd me) and I guess they were interpreting me as getting out of line. I know they were going wide but what can you do...I think the hand that cost me was I open 99 in hj and then 70% vip whale click to 5.5bb in co, btn whale who knocked me out cold calls and then I just call. I think I should just jam pre here for 30bb. Solver would for sure like to just flat call but vs 2 whales I think jam is the play. Definitely not happy with my composure levels there for the last hour

Besides that mishap, it was a successful day. Played the early morning/afternoon grind today bc i'm going out for dinner in a couple of hours. Started with an $11 6 max 2x chance on global. Won it for $200. Heads up I opened QJo 40bb effective. C bet on Q93 and villain leads Q turn after check calling flop. I raise to 4bb with trips and they shove their remaining 35bb in there dead with 96ss. Nice



Stone bubbled the $55 4k on ACR Ajo no good versus 86ss bvb had to call it off.
6th in the $11 rebuy 6max for $55
11th in the 16.50 2k on ACR
15/156 in the $55 6k on chico. Shoved 44 b v b for 17bb into KK and then lost Ak<Kq for my last 10bb...gonna win this one very soon. Keep knocking on the door. $116.22


Managed a second W of the day in the $5 rebuy and addon lunchtime brawl on global for $312. I love these $5 rebuys



I honestly felt I played one of my best days of poker ever today... right up until that high equity spot right at the end. Poker is a funny game. Felt super in control, taking my time with decisions, thought process super good. But then one lack in concentration likely cost me $500 in EV...Oh well. Just gotta keep showing up and putting the work in. Big scores are definitely coming soon.


At peak profit right now for the challenge:




Month To Date:



Happier with the volume so far this month

your killin it. you should swing over to NJ and play a Sunday there so you can fire an online bracelet event

Thank you Dizzy. Yea strongly considering moving to NJ for a year as I'm not working a job in Manhattan right now. I'm married so that makes things a little more awkward when making these decisions. But it would open way more potential for a poker player.


Took a day off yesterday to visit my uncle upstate. Busy this morning with some things but hopefully fire up a session this evening. If not it'll be 5 days Ina row on the grind starting tomorrow

yeah man. I would imagine having a wife would make it tougher to just move for poker.

The games in NJ aren't as great as they used to be anyway. Its probably on par with like Global these days.

great read - i can appreciate the jounrny - I am as well doing this ( just starting out - playing lower atm, but going to be adding in more Global as well - Iggy and others ) , mainly Party Poker , some ACR , Everygame , I Poker - going to be keeping up on the journey - and prolly see u in the global streets one day soon ( not knowing who one another are lol ), keep up the great work ( i just seen ur global SN above - lol so i guess one of us will know lol ) , once i catch up in stakes ( 2-3 months top ) I will share mine as well , - ( I also started blogging on here my journey - and would be nice to follow someone who is doing the same as well


( I totally agree with the above about max late regging as well ) - I guess it maybe can be a double edge sword especially in lower stakes on Iggy, Global etc - whales punting it off 200+bb eff ? what r ur thoughts on that ( I was having this discussion with a member of my study group - who plays global n iggy etc, n yeah trying to find the " sweet spot " of this - my strat was Buy In at 50bb ( thats what I study the most - GTOW , HRC , some PIO etc etc ) , then if bust i will max late reg - ACR allows u to do this easily , n some other sites - I am new to Global I think i heard u cannot do this once u bust - ( wait till max late reg ) so u just have to max ? im not sure - u would know more then me for this site, - ( but the argument was if I should be buying in at 200bb deep - catching these punts, ?

curious to know your thoughts , -

Keep crushing on Global bro

GL GL n keep posting

Hello there! First off, best of luck on your journey As for the late regging topic: I think it's absolutely fine to play from the start in certain structures. Your win rate will be higher and you will experience less variance as a result. In fact I do recommend it for structures that have like 1-2 hours of late reg. But once we are talking about ACR with 4 or 5 hours of late reg, I think it makes zero sense to play from the start. Again just my opinion. You will spend 4-5 hours of your session with let's say 5 tables taking up space on your monitor/brain power where you are making very little money. No real icm heavy decisions being made. If you substitute those 4-5 tables with late regging 4-5 global mtt's with 1 hour late reg, you will be itm quicker or bust quicker. ITM quicker and busting quicker means we can fire up more tables right away once we bust/cash/win an mtt. This will increase our hourly.

If we are making $10/game in an acr mtt taking 10 hours to complete, we make $1/hr for that tournament which takes space on our screen.
If we are making $8/game in a global mtt late regging which takes 5 hours to complete, we make $1.60/hr in that game and can fire up another mtt right after.

I don't know the exact $/game and $/hr numbers and don't claim to. What I do know is that the best mtt players in the world all pretty much agree that late regging will give you the highest hourly. Bert Stevens AKA Girafganger admits that it makes the most money. But he despises it as it's taking money away from the players who play form the start including the recreationals. Due to ICM, having the ability to enter the mtt with less than 50% of the field remaining is very powerful. He was complaining that all the Brazilian stables are all max late regging and they are printing money. It is ofc well within the rules to do so.

I generally do something very similar to you. In the lower stakes mtt's of my schedule, I will buyin with maybe 1 hour of late reg left with 20-40 bb depending on structure and if I bust then max late reg. ACR makes this very convenient with their "buyin with 1 min left of late reg" feature. If I have 6-8 tables going/have some deep runs where I want to conserve brain power for, i'll elect to not reg some mtt's at the earlier stages and set a timer to max late reg them instead. At that stage, i'll likely have bust an mtt or 2 or finsihed up an ft or whatever. Every decision i'm making is ultimately just trying to maximize my $/hr.

great stuff - very good points, thanks fot this insight - going to def. take this into my games as well ( see u out there soon ) GL GL bro

Tried out something new for the past week and wasn't playing my regular grind on ACR, global and chico. I was itching to get back in these games and I just finished up a session. Was a struggle at the start but ended up being a very good session.

This was a quote from my last session on 06/12 : "15/156 in the $55 6k on chico. Shoved 44 b v b for 17bb into KK and then lost Ak<Kq for my last 10bb...gonna win this one very soon. Keep knocking on the door. $116.22. " Well i didn't win it but I cam damn close. 3rd in the $55 6k on chico for $869.60. I limp jammed b v b for 23bb with KQo vs aggro reg and ended up walking into his AQs. Was left with 11bb and jammed btn very next hand with T9hh and lost to AK. A good run. I'll win it one day.

In the $5.50 1k gtd on chico I got HU and lost the very first hand w KTo vs 9To. Good run there for $178.43.


Managed to ship one of my favorite mtt's on the schedule. The $5 rebuy and addon on global. 1/104 for $296.71. These run every hour or 2 and are great value.

Managed to FT the $33 2.5k on Global also but got KO'd in 7th for $119.85. Got lucky start of ft with 55>KK. I 3b jammed 55 as shorty vs utg open. was very close but checked it on gtow afterwards and it's just about +ev. Given villain was a good reg and can be opening enough there, i'm happy with the jam. But then withered away and finally made a bad jam on the btn 7 handed with Q7ss for 11bb. Sb had 13bb and bb had 9.6bb. I just checked on GTOW and it's just a pip too wide. It's only losing a slight amount so not the worst jam. Q8s+ was the answer. It's good that in game I was unsure about it and knew it was close. FWIW, i could and probably should have passed on both spots. People make a bunch of much worse icm mistakes so I can just make money by folding. Really need to shore up the ICM study. Thing is that globals payout structures are slightly more top heavy than other sites and also smaller field mtt's have less icm pressure near bubble. So will have to account for all that in game.

A great day overall results wise. Was a lot of fun too. Back at it tomorrow.

Sunday's session was the worst day results wise since the start. $-826. I think I played very solid the first 3 hours or so but kept getting hit with bad variance near the bubble. It was weird bc I stone bubbled 5 or 6 mtt's early on which really threw me off. I remember the first one being the $55 on global with a nice close to 2x min cash. Towards the latter end of the session, I really played bad. I wasn't just 100% punting off stacks, but I was taking over aggro lines in spots where I shouldn't. You could prob just call it punting if you wanted The closest I had to an ft was the $33 2.5k PLO 6 max on acr where I finished 8th. I bluff shoved river with no flush blocker right into the nuts on the river. I actually thought this was wasn't such a bad play given the line villain took but he was indeed trapping.

The ABI was also higher this sunday so naturally the variance was higher and the games tougher. I played 3x 109's and a bunch of $55's with no cashes( with the exception of the $55 mystery 6k on global where min was <the buyin. Lost a spot for 2 bounties right after the bubble where the EV of each bounty was $114).

Anyways something about yesterday's session didn't sit right with me. I just didn't feel right mentally while playing. This week i'm going to improve in 3 areas: study, exercise and diet. Been slacking with these past couple of weeks and I think it showed in yesterday's performance. Other areas of life are throwing me off balance also lately which isn't helping. I need a solid routine filled with healthy(both physically and mentally) habits right now. This will help push me forward. Still close to peak profit for the challenge, but feeling slightly down/less motivated/in a rut type stage.

Today gonna start by heading to central park/washington sq park and get in at least 10k steps early. Then a solid a session in the gym followed by an hour or so of poker study. Some meditation and breathwork. Only after all that should I be firing up a playing session. Let's see how it goes

Hello Nameste90,
Just want to say your blog is really good and inspiring read . Good luck and keep the great results.

Nice thread! Maybe one day
I will emulate you


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Thank you! Glad you find it inspiring

[QUOTE=Cederico87;58618258]Nice thread! Maybe one day
I will emulate you

Appreciate the nice comment Cederico. GL


So finished up a coaching session this morning and feeling motivated to get back on the grind. We talked thru some spots of a live recording I did of me playing where we can pick up some mistakes in game which I think is a cool idea. We also spent some time talking about bad variance and how to cope with downswings. I must admit i'm not dealing with it very well. I have a severe ego/winners tilt issue that i'm trying to fix. Not even so much if a rec does something wild but more so when a reg who I think is somewhat decent does something really bad, then I tend to tilt. Obviously this makes zero sense as I want people to make mistakes. That's what the whole game is about. So i'm doing all sorts of stuff to try to fix it: meditation, box breathing, cold showers, mental game seminars on BBZ etc. Maybe it's some sort of internal issue that I need to work through. Whatever it is, I am actively working towards a solution. Without a very strong mental game, it's going to be very tough to break into high stakes imo.

I'm on a ~100 buyin downswing right now which is completely normal for mtt's. However, I am not reacting too well which i'm upset about. The way my coach put it to me was: everyone is going to go on downswings, it's just the best players will manage to lose the least when they inevitably happen. They have been down that road before and know that it's part of the game. This is what I strive to be like the next time i'm facing a downswing. Just to be patient, keep working on studying spots and just enjoy the game. Easy to say in theory, more difficult to achieve in practice. But this is a demanding game and we have to set high standards for ourselves.

Luckily for me, i'm a bankroll nit. 100 buyins for me was less than 10% of my roll. So i'm not worried about going broke or anything like that. Just the whole mental game side of things. I'm going to reread the mental game of poker by Jared Tendler which is a classic amongst poker players.

One thing that I did do (which I think is a form of tilt) is I was playing 10 tables yesterday at one stage. This is not something i'm supposed to be doing. I'm barely starting to get comfortable with 6. I was losing every all in so decided to just fire up a bunch more tables to 'play thru' the bad variance. Fish mindset lol. My coach recommended to journal before and after each session. Just think about what feelings come up at certain points in the session. Notice any triggers like snap clicking a button without thinking through the spot. To try and become aware of this in game and then act accordingly to not lose any EV. That might mean not regging any tournaments for the next hour. Whatever it takes. Even at the break each hour, give yourself a rating out of 10 on how you played that hour. Try not to think of short term results in terms of $$ as that will only make things worse. I just feel that if a top pro had had the same amount of negative variance as I did in this short term, they would lose 70 buyins instead of 100. That would make up a huge difference at the end of the year. When sunrunning, everyone feels dialed in and it's much easier to play your A game.

All in all, i'm happy for this experience. As these first 6 months were a trial to see if I can make it as a pro, it's good to go through these emotions and see how I react. I'm now more motivated than ever to win. There is so much to this game. It's never ending the amount of work you can put into it. It can make you feel like a world champion one minute and then chew you up and spit you out the next. All part of the great game.

Onwards and upwards

June is in the books and i'm looking forward to what July brings. It was a tough month poker wise where I experienced my first real dose of bad variance. With that came some bad play and tilt issues. However, I now have a clear path forward on how to fix these issues. I have spent the last week really focusing on the mental side of things. I'll continue to do so for as long as it takes to become a mental game master. This can really increase winrates for pro poker players.

I believe part of the issue was playing on a new site (which I won't go into nor post the results from there). Basically I was playing huge average field sizes in comparison to what i'm used to. Way more turbos and hypers towards the end of sessions and also generally tougher fields. I played roughly half my volume from the month on that site. I believe this contributed to way more variance, less roi in the games and this then lead to my mental game falling apart. As you'll see from the monthly graph, I finished out the month on the US sites on a 2k downswing. June had been going pretty much the same as the past few months if you look at the graphs. However, the last week or so there was big downswing. Don't get me wrong, no matter how well I played, I was still going to lose in this small stretch. It's just I would have lost much less if my mental game was on song.

I'm still very motivated to keep on progressing forwards. This small bump in the road won't deter me from reaching my goals. I'm very positive about the future. One thing that has stuck with me from studying mental game for the past while is the importance of continuously studying and improving whilst in a downswing. This will help with confidence and instill belief that you are doing the right things even when the results aren't going your way.

Going forward, i'm going to be posting results less often as I believe it can be detrimental to focus too much on short term results. It's all part of a conscious effort i am making to think more long term and not let short term things affect my mood/play. With that, here are the months results:


JUNE





CHALLENGE SO FAR (SINCE MARCH 1ST)

hey bro

nice

that is just for June the last SS graph ? 1100 + count ?
nvm see now since march 1st - right on

whats your avg field size

Hello there. Yes since march 1st. With re-entries it's ~1,500 mtt's for the 4 months. Low volume for sure but it's improving month by month( I have more than half my volume on from last month on another site which I don't want to discuss or include for this challenge). Average field size is <150. Way less variance this way. More ft's and more fun imo. However, most pros would agree that playing the larger fields with big prizes up top have the most EV in them. It just comes with way more variance. Personally, I like the former approach. You get to play a bunch of ft's with a lot of icm play involved. It's great practice for when we do go very deep in a large field mtt. Just my opinion.

totally agree - i love the small fields - Iggy Global , Party Poker , I Poker , Intertops -I play later in evening closer to " off peak " as possible, I know a lot of HS crushers who make a really great living sticking to the small fields ,n playing off peak schedule - they dont even mess with the big field GTD bull **** , my avg field size is about 125 ish atm ,


keep up the great work ( totally agree - more FTs , more sick ICM spots to run in HRC - ill take that any day over playing 1K , 2K runners daily lol