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0k profit in 2012, come Hell or high water! 0k profit in 2012, come Hell or high water!

10-12-2012 , 08:18 PM
3rd in the turbo, QQ<KJ. Damn.
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10-12-2012 , 08:35 PM
5th in the 50EUR, AJ<TT vs 1banditpanda. Really tough having him two to my left at the FT, defending his blinds a lot and owning me in general. Couple tables left now and then that's it for the day - pretty solid winning day so gotta be happy with that.
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10-12-2012 , 10:42 PM
2/9 in late 44 turbo, turning out to be a nice day!
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10-12-2012 , 10:54 PM
4th for a pretty awesome day. Things looking up.
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10-13-2012 , 04:01 AM
gingerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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10-13-2012 , 05:29 AM
following
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10-13-2012 , 07:04 AM
Nice! Let's see a graph from yesterday/today with all them final tables! Good work
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10-13-2012 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by juicestain100
Nice! Let's see a graph from yesterday/today with all them final tables! Good work
This is October to date:



And ty guys for the support!
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10-13-2012 , 08:22 AM
nice results, will be following , good luck !
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10-14-2012 , 09:45 PM
Just about to finish up today most likely, not a great day. Ran pretty bad in some spots. AJ<A8s to bust the 11r in around 70th to one of the worst plays imaginable. cal42688 opens, some guy flats on a 21bb stack, I ship AJo for 19bb, cal folds and the guy calls with A8s, snap binks his 8.

FTed a small 22fo on Party as well, but no luck. Came 10th after TPTK couldn't hold vs overs and a FD.

Feels good to be making a lot of deep runs - can't be too long before a solid sized score comes along. Might be on betfair and 888 this week as well so new sites to try out and keep me entertained.

Hoping to do some more Synergy Poker work this week, I keep putting it off but I really should get some done.

Last edited by theginger45; 10-14-2012 at 09:55 PM.
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10-14-2012 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by theginger45
Just about to finish up today most likely, not a great day. Ran pretty bad in some spots. AJ<A8s to bust the 11r in around 70th to one of the worst plays imaginable. cal42688 opens, some guy flats on a 21bb stack, I ship AJo for 19bb, cal folds and the guy calls with A8s, snap binks his 8.

FTed a small 22fo on Party as well, but no luck. Came 10th after TPTK couldn't hold vs overs and a FD.

Feels good to be making a lot of deep runs - can't be too long before a solid sized score comes along. Might be on betfair and 888 this week as well so new sites to try out and keep me entertained.
Glad you are running good
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10-14-2012 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by theginger45
Hoping to do some more Synergy Poker work this week, I keep putting it off but I really should get some done.
That would be great
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10-15-2012 , 07:27 PM
nice thread and nice come back. Saw you saying you had a 1300 abi downswings and that got me worried since you obv got a good game and I have a couple questions about that.

During such a big downswing at low stakes (fields full of terrible players), do you think there was anything you could do to not go down so low? ex cut down buyins +17$ where variance is a bitch?

What kind of thoughts go through your mind and how can you overcome quitting in such big downswings?

Do you think 1300 abi buyin downswings are un evitable for a grinder with a 12abi with a low variance type game?

anyways good luck in your future will be following
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10-15-2012 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DkWted
nice thread and nice come back. Saw you saying you had a 1300 abi downswings and that got me worried since you obv got a good game and I have a couple questions about that.

During such a big downswing at low stakes (fields full of terrible players), do you think there was anything you could do to not go down so low? ex cut down buyins +17$ where variance is a bitch? I don't think it was a question of buyins, I think it was a question of field sizes. If I'd been playing on softer euro sites as well as Stars like I am now, I would never have had that downswing. I ran bad at the higher end of my buyin range where my ROI is lower, but I'm confident that with the addition of some euro sites - even at higher buyin levels - I could have reduced that swing.

What kind of thoughts go through your mind and how can you overcome quitting in such big downswings? A lot of stuff went through my mind, partly because I think too much in general. There's a decent possibility I might be on some kind of anxiety medication soon as I'm seeing a therapist for the first time on Wednesday, although that isn't really particularly related to poker it does mean that I'm not the sort of person who's naturally appropriate for poker. I'm a very emotional person and it's what makes me good at a lot of things, but it has its drawbacks. I didn't consider quitting poker at any point during that original downswing because I didn't feel like I'd given it enough time yet to know, and because in theory the swing had to end sometime. I have considered quitting or scaling way back at multiple stages during this year though, mostly due to financial concerns - when you're broke and in a bunch of makeup, decision-making off the table is hard. I'm still not 100% sure where my future lies in poker as the poker lifestyle doesn't do me much good health-wise (put on 50lbs in two years). I worked full-time for 10 weeks over the summer and have borrowed significant amounts of money at different points in the year, and I'm still not sure I won't have to get a job again before the end of the year. I really don't want to, but I might have to.

Do you think 1300 abi buyin downswings are un evitable for a grinder with a 12abi with a low variance type game? Not inevitable, and still unlikely, but entirely possible. I emphatically believe that anyone playing on their own bankroll should have at least a 1,000ABI roll for the stakes they choose to play, if they genuinely want to minimise the risk of ruin. There are grinders at every limit - micro stakes, low, midstakes and high stakes - who've had equivalent swings.

anyways good luck in your future will be following
Thanks man, appreciate the support!

Today was kinda meh, didn't feel like I played too well. Made a couple of semi-deep runs but nothing panned out. Didn't feel very focused, might have been a bit tired. Got some stuff to do tomorrow so probably won't be playing - best case scenario is a short evening session.
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10-15-2012 , 08:54 PM
Despite what I just said about field sizes rather than buyin levels, the two are related, and there's obviously something to be said for playing at a buyin level where you have a solid edge. Here's my graph in scheduled MTTs <$30 this year:



As you can see, my biggest downswing exclusively in low stakes games is around $6k. My ROI of around 30% would be significantly higher if I hadn't been 20+ tabling for large portions of this year and focusing on 180s rather than MTTs. Once we get into midstakes, my graphs for $30-60 and >$60 look a lot worse, particularly because I've run really bad over the sample of ~1k games I've actually played at those levels. I've taken a few ****ty beats deep in big midstakes events and even some higher stakes stuff - I had AK<AQ for a 60bb stack deep in the Stars.fr Summer Special back in June, to finish in 25th when there was around $33k up top. A couple of scores upwards of $5k in these sorts of events would make things look a little more rosy.
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10-15-2012 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by theginger45
Despite what I just said about field sizes rather than buyin levels, the two are related, and there's obviously something to be said for playing at a buyin level where you have a solid edge. Here's my graph in scheduled MTTs <$30 this year:



As you can see, my biggest downswing exclusively in low stakes games is around $6k. My ROI of around 30% would be significantly higher if I hadn't been 20+ tabling for large portions of this year and focusing on 180s rather than MTTs. Once we get into midstakes, my graphs for $30-60 and >$60 look a lot worse, particularly because I've run really bad over the sample of ~1k games I've actually played at those levels. I've taken a few ****ty beats deep in big midstakes events and even some higher stakes stuff - I had AK<AQ for a 60bb stack deep in the Stars.fr Summer Special back in June, to finish in 25th when there was around $33k up top. A couple of scores upwards of $5k in these sorts of events would make things look a little more rosy.

Appreciate the time for you detailed response. Basically I'm in a very similar situation as you and thats what made me wonder. I do very well in low-midstakes buyins but just get crushed in buyins over 25ish dollars. That said, the sample is small, (1500ish tournaments), but still goes to show how bigger variance is in those games. Thats why I believe (as you show in your graph <30) that variance is much lower in lower stakes tournaments and downswings are less harsh and brutal.
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10-16-2012 , 12:12 AM
Dont quit When I go on losing stretches I never think about guys who crushes or are super good at poker.Always using you as motivation to go trough so even if you dont know(though you might suspect ) you're inspiration poker wise for some micro donks like myself.Best of luck!
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10-17-2012 , 08:36 PM
How are real life things Matt? Didn't you move recently? To where? How's the new place? How was the job? What was it? Hope you're good sir.
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10-17-2012 , 08:50 PM
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How are real life things Matt? Didn't you move recently? To where? How's the new place? How was the job? What was it? Hope you're good sir.
Things are good mate, I moved but that was a few months ago now, and it doesn't feel like such a real move as it was back to Southampton where I studied for five years anyway, so it just feels like coming home. It's really good being back, I have a nice little apartment in a good location and it's a pretty cheap place to live.

The job I was doing over summer was just for 10 weeks, it was working at my old university mentoring international grad students who were studying English over the summer, and helping them qualify for their postgraduate courses. Really fun job which I'll probably be doing next summer as well, and it pays pretty awesome considering I have no teaching qualifications. Shame it's not available all year round as it'd be a tough choice between that and poker really.

Poker-wise, things are going a lot better, I'm making a bunch of deep runs at the moment and my confidence is definitely back up. Today I came 6th in the 10r on Stars.fr and 9th in the 55 10k on Party. Can't seem to win a lot of flips at FTs, but at least I'm getting there in the first place. Really feel like some big scores are coming pretty soon, so I'm definitely planning to grind the heck out of this weekend and see what I can make of it.
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10-19-2012 , 11:42 AM
Little present for you all, to show you the virtues of not moving up stakes too quickly.

My graph in all games across all sites this year in games under $30 in buyin, including 180s:

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And my graph in all games $30 and upwards, including 180s:

Spoiler:
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10-19-2012 , 11:49 AM
woah, so sick
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10-19-2012 , 06:18 PM
Siiiick. Man I would just drop everything over $30 and grind the **** out of the smaller games, you're killing em!
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10-19-2012 , 09:52 PM
Did you lose 50 pounds and get a girl friend yet?
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10-20-2012 , 07:09 AM
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woah, so sick
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Siiiick. Man I would just drop everything over $30 and grind the **** out of the smaller games, you're killing em!
Yeah that's more or less what I've been doing the past month or so. It definitely helps. I don't think it's that I've been getting killed at the higher games exactly, just that I've run pretty bad over a smaller sample size and they are tougher games to begin with. Just goes to show how variance increases as your ROI lowers.
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Did you lose 50 pounds and get a girl friend yet?
Haha, nope. Weight loss is slow progress, I've made a lot of good lifestyle changes but still trying to really make it stick. Getting a gf is meh, too much on my plate already tbh.
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10-20-2012 , 02:05 PM
Just shipped the Hot 20 on Stars.fr for about 1.3k euros, nice way to start the weekend.
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