as for the why i work alot and playing a few tournaments in the afternoon would be awesome to freeroll and maybe make a big score. if i smash one i will pay it back to you to give others same chance

I hated every second I spend watching this. At the same time this is definitely my #1 pick for $500. **** yeah weird ****

Only queers n steers around here and I ain’t seen so steers.

congrats on the challenge, gl in the future sir

I cannot describe into words what I feel when the melody finally kicks in in this waltz, the rest of the waltzes are quite regular so you don't need to listen to the whole thing if you don't like classical music.
https://youtu.be/W0xMpLXQNvM
Congrats on the challenge, hope you recover from the betrayal of that fake friend.

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Poker, much like life, doesn’t owe anyone anything. So many poker players don’t see the forest from the trees and forget all the good luck they receive meanwhile cursing their bad luck at every opportunity. It’s important to keep an even keel with your temperament to maximize +EV opportunities while not falling prey to -EV opportunities that on first look appear +EV.

The best way to go about this is to live life with zero expectations. If good or great things happen then that’s awesome. And if they don’t or bad things happen? Well then you shouldn’t and won’t be disappointed because you didn’t expect anything.

Furthermore, it’s quite noble to look for the good in people but always remember that no one will look out for you like numero uno will. And that person is yourself, so make others really earn your trust while extending as much of yourself outward as you feel comfortable sharing. After all, no man is an island and greatness can be achieved (and appreciated) together with friends and colleagues.

All the best with your future endeavors.

Enjoying your thread. Thanks for the interesting content and also some of the honesty. Sorry your friend betrayed you. Friendships in the gambling world can definitely be pretty sketchy. I get it.

You don't have to totally give up the account or nuke the thread. But you do seem pretty rattled about this and annoyed at the experience here and I get that too.

Anyway, the hand where he has 33...how do you know that? You folded the river but you can still look up his hole cards? Sorry, I don't play on ignition so maybe I'm missing something.

I think the password to your session in the mega file doesn't work anymore. Bummer. I was curious. But I understand the interest in keeping your info or playing strategies private. And I definitely understand it being in your head when a video is running that you start to overthink it. Screw that...even though I get it. You are making more than the GTO guys. It is them that could stand to learn a thing or two from what you are doing in terms of exploiting opponents and that GTO isn't the only way, nor the best way, to do this.

Without the expertise nor the winrate to back up my theories, I feel that GTO has more flaws and incorrections than many believe or understand. It is interesting stuff theoretically and I think it is helpful to have some understanding of it just to see and understand what opponents are doing and how they are approaching plsaying against you but there is also a trend towards over-reliance.

Hey so I was the other side of the bet. I was fine letting this all die and had blocked the OP as I was extremely sick of his bullshit but OP texted me the other day and I was extremely triggered. To be super clear, I think it is a waste of time to study Pio or try to play "GTO" if you're playing nl200 with no ambitions of playing nl1k++ in the near future. This is nothing to do with thinking one method of play is superior to another. Pre-bet I thought OP was winning at least 6bb/100 in the games he was playing. I just thought the difficult part would be volume as I had seen his DB and there were never any months where he played >100k hands and he wouldn't be playing fast-fold.

Also about a week in when OP was up >9k and said he was playing 10-12 hours a day everyday, no problem, I sold half the action to a close friend as now I thought the line was closer to reality. Obviously I wouldn't sell action if I was planning to freeroll someone; that makes zero sense. I just thought I might lose (legitimately) and panicked a bit. My friend is also certain OP was cheating.

Wall of text ahead:

OP has given me a lot of huge whale action in the past and paid out no problem. Some were more minus EV others were slightly better for him but all were reallyyyyyyyyyyy terrible bets driven by his ego (like a bet about whether a good MTT player would defend small blind in some spot where it's very standard).

I could play at his tables as part of the bet so I started looking for him to sit his tables after selling the action as I thought I was pretty likely to lose and I literally never saw him online for 5-6 days. Maybe he was playing 3-4hrs a night while I was asleep or something but I didn't tell him I was doing this. Again, he was claiming to play 10-12 hours a day winning 1k++ a day no sweat and I never saw him with more than 300bb the entire period of the "bet". Someone crushing that hard would have 500bb a lot. I have a close friend who is a high-up where OP was playing (he didn't know this pre-bet) and he told me OP wasn't up much and has raked about what you'd expect of someone who's not played that many hands. After that, I asked if he would record all his sessions going forward (getting him to agree and share the vods was like pulling teeth). I watched the only one VOD he shared and he was playing like **** it was nothing like a 8bb/100++ winner playing their D-game and I'd wake up each morning to like ten messages about how he was crushing the bet no problem which is how every hacker I've ever played with in an FPS acts.

They just brag about what about a beast they are and then you watch the gameplay and it's clear they are a trash player using an aimlock or walling. I had enough at that point and I had seen him lose 5k++ in online pit games multiple times on discord calls this summer and fall and I knew he had lost at least 8k in Vegas pits on each trip there this year (I thought more based on the stories but I don't have any proof). OP also has a really high amount of monthly expenses. I also knew he faked graphs that he showed me in the past and didn't admit until I pointed it out. These are just not things that people with the discipline to play 10-12 hours a day 7 days a week do.

The request to share VODs/streams with me is totally reasonable and standard in bets like this and I should've required it from the beginning but honestly I thought he had no shot. I thought he'd play 20-30 hours the first week and then ask to buy out.

I also saw a bunch of screenshots of his HEM2 DB and it didn't align at all with the spreadsheet he was keeping.

I told him I knew he was cheating and my friend I sold action to also thinks he's cheating. He said I was obviously always planning to stiff him (again, this makes no sense why would I sell action if I was planning to freeroll him I'd just keep all of it...). I've also caught him in many lies over the course of my friendship with him but didn't feel it was worth to point them out.

The friend whom I sold action to was also watching OP at the tables and wouldn't have paid either. I confronted OP with all the evidence and his reaction was anger and accusations. If he had just made the recordings, was actually beasting, and not spammed me all day about how he was crushing instead of playing, he would have been able to easily win the bet and I would've paid out and congratulated him.

OP told me to message one of his long-time IRL European friends and that he'd vouch for his character. I just spoke to them for about an hour and they did nothing of the sort and basically said it was very possible he was cheating.

So to summarize, have many factors pointing to guilt, and none that point to innocence:

1) My friend and I never seeing him at the tables or with large stacks while he was claiming to play 10-12 hours a day every day and winning 500bb++ a day
2) OP is under a lot of financial pressure and has bad issues with gambling addiction and alcoholism that he was suddenly able to completely conquer to focus on playing 24/7
3) His recorded results did not align with HEM2
4) The employee who told me he was "full of ****"
5) OP was extremely confident that a well-known pro would give him a character vouch and that person wasn't willing to. They were also really friendly to me even though according to OP I welched on 6.5k
6) Watching the VOD and it not aligning with his results at all
7) He has shown me fake graphs in the past so he knows how to do it
8) General bragadocious behavior that is how other cheaters I've dealt with behave
9) History of lying to me
10) If his hourly is >$100, and he "plays 150 hours a month every month" as he's repeatedly claimed to me, why isn't he playing higher stakes lives MTTs or going to WSOP? Why is his bankroll only 10k? OK yeah he dumps his roll at 2k PLO doing **** like 3betting 3332r and online roulette+slots but he's just able to cold turkey that stuff? Makes zero sense

Factors for innocence:
1) He says he is

@hogemperor how did you plan on verifying results?

Well I had a method I mentioned in my last post that OP didn't know about when we made the bet. There is another way we had to verify but I had agreed to keep it quiet with the OP and we will keep it between us as long and he doesn't dox me (nor will I dox him; though I did name him to his character vouch after OP told me to message that person and that guy said it was possible he was cheating). Kinda sick to only be able to name one character reference and then have that guy tell a random person on Twitter that ya OP certainly capable of cheating.

After I noticed all the discrepancies the plan was to verify the remaining ~4-5k in results through VODs. OP and I agreed that he would record all sessions and he only sent me/uploaded one VOD and about 50 messages complaining about having to record sessions. IIRC in the VOD he sent me he won $450-500(? I honestly don't remember it was just wayyyyyyyy less than recorded profits) and then wrote down profits of 2.5k when we had agreed that any sessions had to be recorded and uploaded or they would not count towards the profit goal. It was just too much and too obvious...just upload the videos and I'll watch them...instead of spamming me on skype about how much you won.

Recording winnings that weren't in video was a violation of our agreement and it was going to be too much of a hassle to get him to upload them so I just wrote off the bet and my friendship with the OP. There are few things I hate more than cheaters...they've ruined so many videogames I love and are the biggest threat to poker by far.

Also to show what a liar OP is, he told me that he had taken some other bets/action from different people besides me. I am certain those never existed either as they were never mentioned besides one post and off-hand to me. He never brought them up again and didn't say if those people (who don't exist) paid.

If OP wanted to do this and it would be accurate, would you do it? If not, this just looks like you freerolled because your method of "catching him cheating" cannot be very accurate at all (and you indirectly said that in your first post). Without the video method being agreed to at the beginning, it's absurd to throw that at him 3/4 of the way through.

feel pretty confident in saying 90%+ regs who are beating (true EV) 200nl even on soft sites for the claimed winrates (even after rakeback) do solver work/have a strong theoretical baseline

doesn’t mean there aren’t exceptions and much respect to OP if he is without running sims

Really looking forward to hearing from the other people who gave OP action and if they paid out...

Why does this matter? Him lying to you about this has no bearing on whether or not you should honor this bet.

Why should I pay if he faked the results? He didn't win. This was confirmed to me by Globalpoker.

It's not just one thing he lied to me about. It's a million things. All this goes to the guy's complete lack of character and I shouldn't have taken the bet at all.

Troll account. I doubt this is actually the guy with the other side and if it.

I do agree though that it should have been stipulated that OP video record his sessions from the very beginning. It would still be possible to cheat but it would be harder. I find OP’s reasons that he didn’t want to kind of lame.

That would be a lot of effort to troll-write all of that stuff if he was just some random outsider who had no interest in this. A low-post account with no history of trolling just happened to decide to jump into this thread and mess with this guy?
Sure, it's possible. But it doesn't seem likely to me. And his account of the bet seems plausible.
OP not returning yet is noticeable but there could be a lot of reasons for that including not having checked on the thread for a few days.

Certainly has changed the tone of this and my perspective of what might happened.

Both me and the OP are posting on alt accounts. OP can confirm that it's me.

Uh I did originally make this account to troll racist POS twitch streamer brokenstars but that has nothing to do with this thread.

Oh, I should have scrolled down a little further to see that you have trolled before. Big Fail by me. Good you owned up to it I guess...even though the history is obviously already there despite me missing it.

Will be interested to hear what OP has to say about this. Getting popcorn ready...

Nah OP won't return to this thread. Really there is way Too much dirt About him in videos of his gameplay on the apps (pre-bet), which he was stupid enough to brag about to a bunch of other people (including me) and I think we both just want to move on with our lives. This whole thread was one big masturbation about how awesome OP is when in reality he is physically and mentally sick as **** and I can't believe you are all big enough rubes to fall for it. I saw through it from day 1 but idk, I found the guy endearing and honestly, entertaining to talk to as there aren't really any huge degens left in poker in 2021.

He has definitely looked at more sims than me and I've been pretty good about running every hand I mark since 2019 or so. But he hasn't ran any sims himself yeah that is true.

I just didn't think he would cheat me too, which I know that he did. No one else in this thread has seen the video of his play during the bet OK? Only I have and I agreed to keep it quiet because of my warped code and desire to move on, which became difficult when OP started spamming me out of the blue. I don't want to share it but I will happily do so if he comes back here and spreads his BS or posts in here for ANY reason besides admitting what he did or asking a mod to close the thread. Maybe I should have shared it from the get-go instead of giving a bunch of lengthy well-thought out reasons.

Oh well, lesson learned about shady characters whom you know cheat.

I mean, now that you are threatening with sort of doxing him obviously he isn't going to return. This isn't helping your case even if you are being truthful...which I think is possible.
But even if he is being 100% truthful he obviously will now just take the L on this thread and move on. Nobody here knows who he is anyway so he would have no reason to comeback and defend himself since you aren't going to pay him AND you are threatening to publicize details about him if he does come back.

You intimidating him with that threat that you will unveil stuff that he would prefer to keep quiet isn't cool at all and makes you less believable overall.

Idc you guys aren't a ****ing jury I don't need to convince anyone I just wanted my side out there and maybe people should stop believing everything they read on the internet, especially when someone is projecting some kind of perfect life and high achievement.

I think it would have been interesting to hear back from the OP about this.
Or to see if he would have responded at all. You have completely trashed that possibility and have intimidated him out of the discussion with your threats. That's unfortunate. I think many following this thread would have liked to have heard from him.

You should have been promising to not use any info against him and not dox him anywhere. And that's what you should still do now...meaning you should say you have changed your mind and you agree not to do that and hold that stuff over him.

He could aks site for official transactions history. I think you can(at least on some sites) can get document with all deposits withdrawals and winning for each session.

Sites do have that information so if you can get that from them that would confirm or deny OP results.