True. Good point.
Not figuring out ahead of time how they are going to prove how much he did or didn't win and just going on the honor system from him wasn't the best idea. But it is possible that OP was using that as is strategy (if the other guy's account of this is mostly accurate).

This bet was not the honor system. I have transaction records...he didn't know I would have them when we made the bet. If it were honor system I would have never taken the bet. You guys are doing honor system believing every word that sack of **** OP says. He tried to cheat me so I really don't feel like being polite to him so people here can be entertained. He tried to steal 6.5k from me (well, 3.25k after I sold action to one of my close friends but he didn't know I sold action until five days after I did it) and I'm not going to play Judge Judy with 2p2 and be all friendly-like with him.

Do any of you even play online poker? Like, imagine this were live 2/5 500 max at a good casino not in Vegas and the bet was he has to win 35k in a month I think that's a pretty analogous situation and if someone had a thread like that I'd expect at least some people to be A TINY BIT suspicious.

But this is not about suspicion I have verifiable proof.

If OP tries to make some similar bet or I think he's trying to scam people again then I will share it of course but I think he learned his lesson.

Lol at this thread.

Played with when he decides to shot take at NL500 and can confirm the guy as never studied GTO. I have him marked as fish.

The fact this guy took the bet when he thought he was 10/1 underdog should seem suspicious enough. I mean if he was a responsible winner/crusher with a family wouldnt you want to take bets you thought you were the better of. Guy just seems like a degen loser that thought he knew how to cheat and couldnt get caught.

I would bet any amount of money that if we recorded every and tracked results from there he couldnt come close to what he said hes won.

Did OP think it was the honor system?
How did you have his transaction records and he didn't know about them?

Hey Detective McNutsack I don't have to explain **** to you you can read my first post in the thread where I talk about how I knew. I don't feel like rehashing it since I get the impression you don't know how to read on top of not having played a month of profitable online cash in your life unless you randomly binked a freeroll or some ****.

Who cares what OP thinks? Did Ted Bundy think he'd get away with murdering all those sorority sisters? What would either thing matter anyway?

I thought the guy might cheat me and this was my insurance. When entering the bet I was 99% sure I wouldn't have to verify and trusted the guy. I realize now it was ****ing ******ed to do so.

Again this isn't Judge Judy I don't need to present People's Exhibit 51BF. All this stuff is private.

Mods can check IPs tehpwner guy isn't me btw.

I saw no proof there. An assumption, sure, but proof? No.

How would you get his transactions without his knowledge?

So why did you reply in the first place when nobody knew/cared who you are? If you're going to reply and say some things, you might as well try to at least back those claims up. Which again, you haven't actually done.

LOL. Defensive much? You seem a tad upset. Is this the part where I'm supposed to call you names also?
Sorry, I'm not very good at this.

Anyway, was just curious. You seemed like you were interested in sharing the details of the situation...which was kind of why you posted in here in the first place: To explain that this situation is not what the OP makes it seem. That part about knowing his transactions but he didn't know that you knew kind of caught my attention and seemed interesting to me. That's all. So I asked. Didn't think it was going to bother you so much nor was it my intention.

Yes I am extremely upset that someone I considered a good friend (well, as good as online friends can be) tried to scam me out of 6.5k. I'm also annoyed at how bad/blatant a cheater OP is...he should have at least given me some credit. No one who plays online poker finds this thread believable. At all.

I'm pretty selective about who I associate with/trust and I think I've only been scammed once in my entire 10++ year poker career. Even managed to dump all my Lock and Fullflush funds (fullflush was a US poker site that rugged everyone; not the British pidgeon guy).

Honestly 6.5k isn't very much money to me but it's not nothing either. It also bothered me deeply and me feel pretty guilty that my friend whom I sold action to (who has way more money than me) could've been ****ed for the 3.25k and I exposed him to a risk.
I'm interested in sharing as many details as I have in my first post I made in the thread everything else is just going to be me calling people morons.

I don't want to ruin the guy's life or dox him/me so I'm not going to post any receipts soz. If OP returns then yeah I will spill all the beans/screenshots/transaction records/videos from before+during the challenge.

Both sides are mostly plausible. The results OP is claiming really aren't that absurd for the uber soft sites he's playing on, except I find it strange that he claims he doesn't do well on bros, which I've heard is one of the softest pools out there. There really isn't any strong evidence supporting either one of you. It's your word against his and who comes off as more believable. You come of as a douchebag.

Agreed.
I think both are possibilities. Calling people morons for not believing him certainly isn't very persuasive though.

In a situation where the guy says he has all the transaction records and that OP didn't know...why would OP spam-Skype him and keep insisting and trying to get paid? Wouldn't he be resigned to the idea that he had been caught instead of continuing communication?

Maybe there is a reason but that doesn't initially make sense to me.

It's really not plausible at all. No one has results like this on any site, including much softer ring-fenced ones. To call OP as a "real piece of ****" and a "dumbass who doesn't cover his tracks" would be an extremely polite way of describing him. His results are even bad using RTA on Pokerbros and he was kicked out of a stable last summer for bragging to other members/backers about how's he RTAing on Bros. Have an almost one hour video of him RTAing on Bros in 2020 (which he thought would be a cool thing to flex maybe) of that as well as other cheating and shady **** from then, and this year where he continues to cheat using other methods besides RTA. I was so confident I would win this challenge and happy to get the action I said he could use RTA but he said he wasn't going to. That isn't even the cheating that makes me think his results aren't legit...it's the faking of the graph/HHs/transaction records. I would've paid out if OP won the money even if he was cheating with RTA and a seatscript. Maybe that makes me scummy to deal with this guy but he's not in my games and in my mind I was basically getting a free $2.5k with this bet.

FWIW I don't think OP used RTA during the challenge. Don't have any evidence he did either.

I actually did a bunch of research on modern versions of PTR and literally no one has results like OP at nl200. The volume stuff is just bullshit also; no one plays that much...including OP which is confirmed by the amount he's raked in his DB. No one else here has seen his DB besides me.
This isn't at all what happened. OP just spammed me to brag about what a poker God he is and how easily he is beating the challenges and to whine about making recordings but he only recorded one session. When I was shown the transaction records I called out OP and that was that...OP wanted to continue and then have me analyze his DB and watch the videos...but what would be the point? To get me to waste 10 hours proving this lying cheating POS lied and cheated? I didn't want to deal with this drunk psycho any more. Bet was a wash.

I have no clue why you think OP ever asked me to be paid out. I was ready to buy out before I saw the transaction records and OP's incredibly sus DB.

I let him tell his side of the story in this thread and the thread to be "his" cause this thing was free EV for me unless he faked results (which he did and I have 100% conclusive proof), and only appeared after he started drunkenly harassing me "literally crying" about how I could think this about him. I got annoyed, especially by his false description of his events, and decided to share my side.

I really doubt anyone who beats 100nl online believes OP so just being honest you are probably a donk who plays 20/17/5% 3bet 4% checkraise if you buy his BS.

I can't show evidence in this thread without doxxing him.

He never messaged me once about getting paid or showed me a completed graph.

So when OP said he doesn't have friends in poker or anyone he can talk to about personal stuff, there was other stuff going on too that left him in that situation, OK? Things like what I mentioned in my last post and a lot of activity that has led to him being alienated/ostracized. The guy gave me ONE character reference and that person refused to vouch for his character and pretty much refused to say anything nice about him. What does that tell you about OP?

I thought he was interesting to talk to and he had never personally cheated me (unlike the backer I mentioned in the last post). I'm sure the other players in the stable found him likeable until he tried to cheat them and honestly I did too, as I assume a lot of the posters in the thread do, and continued to talk to him.

OP is not this "old-school non-nerd crusher". There's so much stuff he's leaving out.

I did a learn a pretty obvious lesson from this at least about whom I do business with.

Since you're both using secondary accounts and no one has any idea who either of you are it really doesn't matter who anyone believes. If I choose to believe you it's not like I can avoid doing business with OP in the future not having a clue who he is. It's my opinion that cheaters should be doxxed to protect future victims but you said you won't do it so nothing matters.

I will say that I do believe this challenge is pretty realistically achievable on the site I play on, and maybe I'll consider booking some action on it in the future if everyone thinks it's so impossible.

This isn't the first time you have weirdly tried to insult me or say that you know I'm a bad player. This isn't the zinger that you think it is nor are the other insults.
They just come off as overly aggressive and really odd.

Like we just met in a bar 2 minutes ago and you are already taking your shirt off and challenging me to "take it outside" or something and I'm like, "Ummm, no. I don't really like fighting....and I don't know you."

The insults do make me wonder about your judgment on some of the other aspects of the actual discussion though and I think it probably does for others also.