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05-30-2021 , 05:03 AM
Do you always 3bet suited connectors from the sb even while playing short stacked ?
Seems weird to me, but I have no idea about short stack gameplay.
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05-30-2021 , 09:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OsirisHS
Do you always 3bet suited connectors from the sb even while playing short stacked ?
I'm not 100% sure about those hands either, but people seem to put me on Ax/Kx/Qx very often when I 3bet. If the flop comes something like 973o, they will often just shove over my cbet with any pocket pair or as a bluff. This is why 3betting hands like 98s feels profitable. Might not be as profitable if the rec is cold calling KQo from the BB, though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OsirisHS
Seems weird to me, but I have no idea about short stack gameplay.
No one has much of an idea about SS strategies. That's the point
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05-30-2021 , 11:08 AM
Nice thread, GL! On what sites are you playing, if you don't mind me asking?
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05-30-2021 , 04:13 PM
3b w 98s that short seems pretty meh imo, the "absolute value" of hands becomes a lot more important than the "playability" (being highly connected/suited) as effective stack sizes (and spr) decrease. Like not a huge mistake or anything, but I think there's a good chance it's -EV

Don't really have that much of an issue with post, seems pretty alright, but I think river could easily be -EV (but prob close to 0 either way), though certainly correct in theory
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05-31-2021 , 10:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by whitemares
3b w 98s that short seems pretty meh imo, the "absolute value" of hands becomes a lot more important than the "playability" (being highly connected/suited) as effective stack sizes (and spr) decrease. Like not a huge mistake or anything, but I think there's a good chance it's -EV

Don't really have that much of an issue with post, seems pretty alright, but I think river could easily be -EV (but prob close to 0 either way), though certainly correct in theory
Yeah, I'm not 100% sure about these hands. That's why I post them.

The insta shove on the river seemed bluffy to me, as I'd expect him to bet the flop or raise the turn with most of his Jx+ hands and he surely isn't insta shoving Tx for value. I also think that most people always check back AQ/KQ on the flop (they don't want to get check jammed on by ~AK) and then they overbluff them on the river.

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Originally Posted by georgelboss
Nice thread, GL! On what sites are you playing, if you don't mind me asking?
I've been playing on multiple different sites during this challenge. Some of them were Party Poker, WPN, ipoker and GG Poker. I don't want to reveal where I'm playing right now though, as I don't want to invite more regs into the pool. Money can be made anywhere.
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05-31-2021 , 02:23 PM
98s is a bad sc to 3bet because on a QJT board you're dead against AK (and K9 ofc), solvers also hate this hand
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05-31-2021 , 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thommehh
98s is a bad sc to 3bet because on a QJT board you're dead against AK (and K9 ofc), solvers also hate this hand
Yeah definitely same with KK, because on 987 vs JT you're dead also, and even dead against 99/88/77 and 65s, so even worse hand than 98s.



Lower sc are weaker OOP in a spot like this because it is much better to me more linear in your range. A hand like 98s/87s at 100bb effective don't have as much equity against a calling range because hands like T9/J9/Q9/K9/A9 suited combos along with all AX suited and most KX suited etc. are all calls for ip making your hand easily dominated. This holds true in pretty much all spots in 3bp/4bp, you will see a strong preferential to fold middling suited connectors as the caller or 3bettor because they rarely have much equity against a continuuing range and also don't often make the nuts. However, lower suited connectors are played a bit more due to the range asymmetry of those compared to the more midding sc--- so hands like 65s/54s are generally speaking better in most spots.

That being said, I imagine being lower stacked people are not 4bing Zkesic enough here or jamming flops as often as they should be so all of his 3b range likely over-realizes quite a bit more than they should. 98s at 100bb eff and vs GTO bot is like ~0ev, maybe it would be >0ev in this spot due to these assumptions.

Last edited by Brokenstars; 05-31-2021 at 03:47 PM.
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05-31-2021 , 03:54 PM
what is current legal status of poker in your country?
do you pay taxes?
do you invest?
when you write X bankroll you mean money that is available for you to play or just cash sitting in your bank account/ mattress/ investments?
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05-31-2021 , 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thommehh
98s is a bad sc to 3bet because on a QJT board you're dead against AK (and K9 ofc), solvers also hate this hand
I don't think that people call 3bets with AK and K9 very often

This is actually a good reason why 3betting 98s is better than cold calling it, I'd say. By 3betting we get rid of many hands that dominate us.

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Yeah definitely same with KK, because on 987 vs JT you're dead also, and even dead against 99/88/77 and 65s, so even worse hand than 98s.

That being said, I imagine being lower stacked people are not 4bing Zkesic enough here or jamming flops as often as they should be so all of his 3b range likely over-realizes quite a bit more than they should. 98s at 100bb eff and vs GTO bot is like ~0ev, maybe it would be >0ev in this spot due to these assumptions.

98s might actually be a bad hand for calling 3bets/4bets in some 100bb spots because of what he said, though. There is some logic in it.

Also, most regs actually 4bet me 20-25% BTNvSB So I usually 3bet very polarized vs them (with Ax/Kx blockers as bluffs).
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Originally Posted by oneselfishguy
what is current legal status of poker in your country?
do you pay taxes?
do you invest?
when you write X bankroll you mean money that is available for you to play or just cash sitting in your bank account/ mattress/ investments?
Poker is "semi-legal" in Slovenia. We can only play on some sites.

We don't have to pay taxes on poker winnings. The poker sites pay tax on rake (that's why a lot of them don't allow Slovenian players).

"Bankroll" is the money that I've made playing poker since the start of the challenge. I have around 50% of it invested in index funds and the other 50% in cash, bank, skrill or on poker sites. I also have some other sources of income, so my actual net worth is never under my "bankroll".

Last edited by ZKesic; 05-31-2021 at 04:18 PM.
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05-31-2021 , 05:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZKesic
I don't think that people call 3bets with AK and K9 very often

This is actually a good reason why 3betting 98s is better than cold calling it, I'd say. By 3betting we get rid of many hands that dominate us.



98s might actually be a bad hand for calling 3bets/4bets in some 100bb spots because of what he said, though. There is some logic in it.

Also, most regs actually 4bet me 20-25% BTNvSB So I usually 3bet very polarized vs them (with Ax/Kx blockers as bluffs).
Yeah, I understand, just how it was stated was not great. Also, in the situation where you are gettin 4b btn vs sb 20+% in those situations I'd imagine 98s is -ev in this situation
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09-30-2021 , 08:00 PM
September 2021:





Bankroll is at 38.9k

I've been testing some new strategies this month, but don't think they worked out too well.

I also ran 200+ different preflop sims to figure out how to optimally adjust my strategy at different stack depths and vs opponents with uneven stacks and different tendencies.

Here are my solved 6-max win rates by position, if anyone is interested:


Goals for the next month:
- Start playing 50nl regularly
- Reach 40k profit overall


Spoiler:
You guys think it's a leak to tell my opponent what I have with my open size?
    $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players

    Hero (SB): $8.95 (44.8 bb)
    BB: $29.54 (147.7 bb)
    BTN: $20.63 (103.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 9
    BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.69, BB calls $0.49

    Flop: ($1.38) A J 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.84, BB calls $1.84

    Turn: ($5.06) 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.53, BB calls $2.53

    River: ($10.12) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $3.89, BB folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $10.12 pot ($0.50 rake)
    Final Board: A J 2 3 5
    Hero mucked 6 9 and won $9.62 ($4.56 net)
    BB mucked and lost (-$5.06 net)
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    09-30-2021 , 09:15 PM
    Why so conservative BRM?
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    09-30-2021 , 10:56 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
    Why so conservative BRM?
    He doesn't keep bankroll on site.

    Glad you are going in that particular direction with your sims. I have found the effects on ev and the recommended play vastly differ when you differentiate. Adds tp your tool box of when to deviate.
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    10-01-2021 , 12:56 AM
    Sick thread, it hurts me to see how much work you put into your game and play micros. Honestly, I think you would really do well at mid-stakes. However, I understand everyone's situation is different and I don't know all the info. GL on your journey to 100k profit!
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    10-03-2021 , 02:34 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by FutureInsights
    He doesn't keep bankroll on site.

    Glad you are going in that particular direction with your sims. I have found the effects on ev and the recommended play vastly differ when you differentiate. Adds tp your tool box of when to deviate.
    Can someone explain to me how not keeping your roll on the site is the reason for playing 20nl with a 32k bankroll?
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    10-03-2021 , 09:29 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BornToRun
    Can someone explain to me how not keeping your roll on the site is the reason for playing 20nl with a 32k bankroll?
    I think "bankroll" is just a way to keep track of the profit, it would be his BR if he never cashed out, I assume OP needs part of that money to cover monthly expenses and so. Or he deposited that money on an investing portfolio.

    Sent from my moto g(8) power using Tapatalk
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    10-03-2021 , 10:00 AM
    I've discussed this topic before in the thread. Basically: "Just because I have 40k, doesn't mean I'm willing to lose 40k". I've also been going for the world record, as the title implies.

    Most of my money is invested one way or another and I've been making enough at 20nl to be happy. I do intend, however, to start moving up now. I'll start taking 50nl shots tomorrow.
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    10-31-2021 , 08:00 PM
    October 2021:



    Bankroll is at 40.4k

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ZKesic
    Goals for the next month:
    - Start playing 50nl regularly
    - Reach 40k profit overall
    Achieved both goals without major problems.

    There seems to be a lot of nits at 50nl, which are pretty easy to beat. I was only able to play ~750 hands/hr this month, but my WR has been a bit higher because of it.

    I might start taking some 100nl shots next month.

    Spoiler:
    What do you guys think about this value-bluff? One player folds a better hand and the other one calls with worse.


    Hold'em No Limit - €0.25/€0.50 - 6 players
    Replay this hand on CardsChat

    UTG: €69.47 (139 bb)
    MP: €53.83 (108 bb)
    CO: €50.00 (100 bb)
    BU: €54.75 (110 bb)
    SB: €131.18 (262 bb)
    BB (Hero): €40.30 (81 bb)

    Pre-Flop: (€0.75) Hero is BB with 7 Q
    1 fold, MP calls €0.50, 1 fold, BTN calls €0.50, SB calls €0.25, Hero checks

    Flop: (€2) 7 K 4 (4 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets €0.95, BU folds, SB calls €0.95, Hero calls €0.95

    Turn: (€4.85) A (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets €3, SB calls €3, Hero raises to €10.50, MP folds, SB calls €7.50

    River: (€28.85) A (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    Total pot: €28.85 (Rake: €1.44)

    Showdown:
    BB (Hero) shows 7 Q (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
    (Equity - Pre-Flop: 66%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 89%, River: 100%)

    SB shows 2 4 (two pair, Aces and Fours)
    (Equity - Pre-Flop: 34%, Flop: 18%, Turn: 11%, River: 0%)

    BB (Hero) wins €27.41
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    11-30-2021 , 05:00 PM
    November 2021:



    Bankroll is at 41.1k

    I took some shots at 100nl, but didn't run very well. Will try again next month.

    At least I'm getting a nice boost soon:



    Some hands:
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    H1:
      $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

      SB: $102.78 (205.6 bb)
      BB: $50 (100 bb)
      CO: $62.97 (125.9 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $39.28 (78.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 4 K
      CO folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB folds, BB calls $0.75

      Flop: ($2.75) 5 8 3 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.37, BB calls $1.37

      Turn: ($5.49) 5 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($5.49) 3 (2 players)
      BB bets $4.11, Hero calls $4.11

      Spoiler:
      Results: $13.71 pot ($0.68 rake)
      Final Board: 5 8 3 5 3
      BB showed Q T and lost (-$6.73 net)
      Hero mucked 4 K and won $13.03 ($6.30 net)

      These are the best possible blockers for calling the river, imo. Even vs a bigger bet.

      H2:
        $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

        SB: $50 (100 bb)
        BB: $10.75 (21.5 bb)
        Hero (CO): $34.03 (68.1 bb)
        BTN: $58.49 (117 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with A 4
        Hero raises to $1.10, BTN calls $1.10, SB folds, BB calls $0.60

        Flop: ($3.55) 2 2 3 (3 players)
        BB checks, Hero bets $0.89, BTN calls $0.89, BB folds

        Turn: ($5.33) 4 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN bets $3.50, Hero raises to $10.50, BTN calls $7

        River: ($26.33) 2 (2 players)
        Hero bets $21.54 and is all-in, BTN folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: $26.33 pot ($1.31 rake)
        Final Board: 2 2 3 4 2
        Hero mucked A 4 and won $25.02 ($12.53 net)
        BTN mucked and lost (-$12.49 net)

        It might be better to just take my SDV OTR, but I felt that he'll overfold his overpairs. The 4d blocker seems relevant too.

        H3:
          $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

          SB: $131.86 (263.7 bb)
          BB: $73.01 (146 bb)
          MP: $59.75 (119.5 bb)
          CO: $61.96 (123.9 bb)
          Hero (BTN): $26.91 (53.8 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 8
          MP raises to $1, CO folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.75, BB folds, MP calls $2

          Flop: ($9.50) 9 3 6 (3 players)
          SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

          Turn: ($9.50) 5 (3 players)
          SB checks, MP bets $6.65, Hero calls $6.65, SB folds

          River: ($22.80) A (2 players)
          MP checks, Hero bets $17.26, MP calls $17.26

          Spoiler:
          Results: $57.32 pot ($2.86 rake)
          Final Board: 9 3 6 5 A
          MP showed A 4 and lost (-$26.91 net)
          Hero mucked 7 8 and won $54.46 ($27.55 net)

          This was played well from both sides, I'd say. Anything else would be a mistake.

          I intend to play 40k+ hands in December.
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          12-03-2021 , 08:06 PM
          Very interesting that you are playing so many hands! Would not expect it, great job
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          12-05-2021 , 06:00 PM


          Imagine accidentally clicking "Decline"

          The buttons also appear few seconds before the text does, so one might click decline thinking it's just one of their adds. I really hate this.

          Quote:
          Originally Posted by ejames209
          Very interesting that you are playing so many hands! Would not expect it, great job
          Thanks

          My record month was 160k+ hands, though. So I can't say that I'm too happy with the last few months when it comes to volume.
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          Originally Posted by ZKesic
          July 2019:



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          12-05-2021 , 10:29 PM
          What site this is?

          Isn't it 18k quite low volume given your pace?

          GL at NL100
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          12-06-2021 , 12:00 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
          What site this is?

          Isn't it 18k quite low volume given your pace?

          GL at NL100
          I've been playing on the ipoker cash tables for the past few months to take advantage of this bonus. Not the softest site, but the RB can be nice.

          I've only been able to play 800-900 hands/hr so far, but 40k+/month still shouldn't be a problem, so that's the goal for December.

          Thanks
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          12-30-2021 , 05:00 PM
          December 2021:



          Bankroll is at 42.6k

          Played a mix of 50nl and 100nl. The games were quite reg heavy and I ended up having the biggest downswing of the challenge so far - almost $800. I feel quite confident in my play, though, and will make a more thorough review of my strategy in the next days.

          Hands:
          Spoiler:
          H1:
            $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

            SB: $58.91 (117.8 bb)
            BB: $50 (100 bb)
            UTG: $50.75 (101.5 bb)
            Hero (MP): $20.10 (40.2 bb)
            CO: $50 (100 bb)
            BTN: $43.69 (87.4 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is MP with T A
            UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.10, 3 folds, BB calls $0.60

            Flop: ($2.45) 4 T Q (2 players)
            BB checks, Hero checks

            Turn: ($2.45) K (2 players)
            BB checks, Hero checks

            River: ($2.45) 7 (2 players)
            BB bets $1.86, Hero raises to $19 and is all-in, BB folds

            Spoiler:
            Results: $6.17 pot ($0.30 rake)
            Final Board: 4 T Q K 7
            BB mucked and lost (-$2.96 net)
            Hero mucked T A and won $5.87 ($2.91 net)

            He needs to fold 82%+ for the bluff to be +EV.

            H2:
              $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

              SB: $357.06 (357.1 bb)
              BB: $398.83 (398.8 bb)
              Hero (CO): $70.87 (70.9 bb)
              BTN: $109.35 (109.4 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is CO with J Q
              Hero raises to $2.50, BTN raises to $9, 2 folds, Hero raises to $70.87 and is all-in, BTN folds

              Spoiler:
              Results: $19.50 pot
              Hero mucked J Q and won $19.50 ($10.50 net)

              What do you guys think about this? Reg will always fold AQ and call TT+AK, right? Which I think makes shove the optimal play.

              Happy new year to everyone!
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              12-30-2021 , 10:52 PM
              Wow nice graph. GL on the grind.

              Quote:
              Originally Posted by ZKesic
              May 2021:





              Bankroll is at 37.9k

              Haven't been playing much in the last months. I've been mainly focusing on my diploma thesis on the topic of: "Comparative analysis of the European Union's and the Republic of Slovenia's personal data protection legal regulation". The plan is to finish it until July.

              My poker win rate was really good this month and I feel confident in my gameplay.

              Some recent hands:

              Spoiler:
              H1: A hero call
                $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players

                SB: $20 (100 bb)
                BB: $27.31 (136.6 bb)
                Hero (BTN): $8.24 (41.2 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 Q
                Hero raises to $0.44, SB folds, BB calls $0.24

                Flop: ($0.98) 7 T 2 (2 players)
                BB checks, Hero bets $0.98, BB calls $0.98

                Turn: ($2.94) A (2 players)
                BB checks, Hero checks

                River: ($2.94) 5 (2 players)
                BB bets $2.67, Hero calls $2.67

                Spoiler:
                Results: $8.28 pot ($0.41 rake)
                Final Board: 7 T 2 A 5
                BB showed 9 J and lost (-$4.09 net)
                Hero mucked 6 Q and won $7.87 ($3.78 net)

                H2: Vs an agro reg
                  $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players

                  SB: $20 (100 bb)
                  BB: $19.89 (99.5 bb)
                  Hero (BTN): $8 (40 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 T
                  Hero calls $0.20, SB raises to $0.80, BB folds, Hero calls $0.60

                  Flop: ($1.80) 8 6 6 (2 players)
                  SB bets $0.59, Hero calls $0.59

                  Turn: ($2.98) 5 (2 players)
                  SB bets $1.60, Hero calls $1.60

                  River: ($6.18) 9 (2 players)
                  SB bets $5.20, Hero calls $5.01 and is all-in

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: $16.20 pot ($0.81 rake)
                  Final Board: 8 6 6 5 9
                  SB showed K J and lost (-$8 net)
                  Hero mucked 8 T and won $15.39 ($7.39 net)

                  H3: Any opinions on this play?
                    $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players

                    Hero (SB): $9.41 (47.1 bb)
                    BB: $21.03 (105.2 bb)
                    BTN: $21.29 (106.5 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 8
                    BTN raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1.30, BTN folds

                    Flop: ($3.40) 5 J T (2 players)
                    Hero checks, BB checks

                    Turn: ($3.40) 6 (2 players)
                    Hero bets $1.80, BB calls $1.80

                    River: ($7) 8 (2 players)
                    Hero checks, BB bets $17.73 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.11 and is all-in

                    Spoiler:
                    Results: $19.22 pot ($0.96 rake)
                    Final Board: 5 J T 6 8
                    Hero mucked 9 8 and won $18.26 ($8.85 net)
                    BB showed K Q and lost (-$9.41 net)
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