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Old 08-07-2012, 02:29 PM   #2551
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Re: 10,000th Post: SNE 2012, Jdawg91 Style (+ more!)

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    Old 08-07-2012, 03:05 PM   #2552
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    Re: 10,000th Post: SNE 2012, Jdawg91 Style (+ more!)

    depends on what he had.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 03:17 PM   #2553
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    - How you keep yourself motivated to play 6+ hours in a day
    - How you decided to forgo education in order to play poker
    - How to correctly study
    - How hard it is to be away from friends and family
    Stuff like that really would be good for a blog. Especially if players are aspiring to also become professional poker players. I'm not, I personally would like to contribute to society, but others would be interested in this kind of thing. Also, maybe along the lines of plans you may make if you don't make it or if the player pools dry up too much to be profitable, etc.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 03:20 PM   #2554
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    Re: 10,000th Post: SNE 2012, Jdawg91 Style (+ more!)

    I dont know how much they pay you but i think 8-10x whatever the price is now dont worth the money to make sup turbos videos

    Article suggestion:

    How you handle the ups and downs of poker?How you encourage yourself playing when you are loosing massive amount of $?
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    Old 08-07-2012, 03:42 PM   #2555
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    Re: 10,000th Post: SNE 2012, Jdawg91 Style (+ more!)

    Definitely a "lifestyle" article on the life-aments of a young expat poker player. Whatever tone it takes. Could probably be a popular monthly thing and would help you continue to build a positive/likeable brand with a wider audience (which this thread seems to have done a good job of). Even if you don't get paid much to write it, it can lead to bigger $$ down the line in other things which it sounds like you have an eye towards.

    Either that or make intentionally bad strategy videos.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 03:54 PM   #2556
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    Either that or make intentionally bad strategy videos.
    This!

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    Old 08-07-2012, 04:32 PM   #2557
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    I vote for vids that are half decent strat and half subtle trolling.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 04:54 PM   #2558
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    - How you keep yourself motivated to play 6+ hours in a day
    - How you decided to forgo education in order to play poker
    - How to correctly study
    - How hard it is to be away from friends and family
    Stuff like that really would be good for a blog. Especially if players are aspiring to also become professional poker players. I'm not, I personally would like to contribute to society, but others would be interested in this kind of thing. Also, maybe along the lines of plans you may make if you don't make it or if the player pools dry up too much to be profitable, etc.
    **** you, these two things are not mutually exclusive
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    Old 08-07-2012, 05:19 PM   #2559
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    **** you, these two things are not mutually exclusive
    +1
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    Old 08-07-2012, 07:34 PM   #2560
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    If you think your job as a professional poker player contributes to society, you're kidding yourself. That doesn't mean you aren't able to find other ways, but do you? I'm not try to insult any pros here, I'm genuinely interested. I'm sure many do. Maybe that could be a topic for an article.

    Anybody who is able to make a living playing poker obviously has the talent to excel in other vocations that help his fellow man. Society as a whole may be missing out on something great each time a genius decides to dedicate himself to a game. What if Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, or Einstein had become obsessed with poker when they were teenagers?
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    Old 08-07-2012, 07:40 PM   #2561
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    People have a highly inflated sense of self if they believe most jobs really contribute to society in any meaningful way.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 07:48 PM   #2562
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    People have a highly inflated sense of self if they believe most jobs really contribute to society in any meaningful way.
    But they do contribute in some way. It's what our economy is based on. I'm not sure what you would classify as meaningful. It's hard to think of another legal profession that doesn't contribute at all.

    Sorry for the hijack.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 08:02 PM   #2563
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    I would argue that poker pros offer the same types of services that most retail jobs offer in terms of contribution to society.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 08:06 PM   #2564
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    But they do contribute in some way. It's what our economy is based on. I'm not sure what you would classify as meaningful. It's hard to think of another legal profession that doesn't contribute at all.

    Sorry for the hijack.
    If you are in the US, and talking about 'what our economy is based on', then maybe you've been asleep the past 10 years or so?
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    Old 08-07-2012, 08:11 PM   #2565
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    I would argue that poker pros offer the same types of services that most retail jobs offer in terms of contribution to society.
    Witness.

    Poker pretty much follows the model of many other types of business, esp. markets and exchanges.
    I always thought Gordon Gecko's quote from Wall Street held true for poker:

    Gordon Gekko: It's a zero sum game, somebody wins, somebody loses. Money itself isn't lost or made, it's simply transferred from one perception to another.

    If poker serves no purpose as a vocation, how would you classify daredevils? Those in the performing arts? Extreme athletes? Athletes in general? etc. etc.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 08:20 PM   #2566
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    But they do contribute in some way. It's what our economy is based on. I'm not sure what you would classify as meaningful. It's hard to think of another legal profession that doesn't contribute at all.

    Sorry for the hijack.
    Stock market or investing maybe?

    Professional poker players help provide entertainment to other pro/recreational players. They (should) pay taxes if it's required. They also have the opportunity to donate their money or time to charity or a worthy cause. You don't have to have a job to contribute to society.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 08:24 PM   #2567
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    f society

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    Old 08-07-2012, 08:38 PM   #2568
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    But they do contribute in some way. It's what our economy is based on. I'm not sure what you would classify as meaningful. It's hard to think of another legal profession that doesn't contribute at all.

    Sorry for the hijack.
    Let me turn it around for you: there are too many people on this earth, by playing poker you leave room for someone to find a job that you would otherwise occupy.

    Giving someone a job so that a person can support his/her family is more contributing to society than 95%+ of people do.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 10:54 PM   #2569
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    f society
    This is the only one of you who has it right. You don't have any obligation to have a job that contributes to society. My point was that any of you who are smart enough to make it playing poker could also hold down a job that benefits others, and you're all a lot smarter than the average person off the street so that may even be a really large contribution. I totally respect your decisions to be doing what you're doing and am not trying to insult anybody. I was responding to two posts that seemed to suggest that playing poker did in fact contribute to society. It doesn't.

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    I would argue that poker pros offer the same types of services that most retail jobs offer in terms of contribution to society.
    The fact is a retail store will not open if there is nobody working in it, but a poker table will function just as well with nine recreational players.

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    Poker pretty much follows the model of many other types of business, esp. markets and exchanges.
    I always thought Gordon Gecko's quote from Wall Street held true for poker:

    Gordon Gekko: It's a zero sum game, somebody wins, somebody loses. Money itself isn't lost or made, it's simply transferred from one perception to another.

    If poker serves no purpose as a vocation, how would you classify daredevils? Those in the performing arts? Extreme athletes? Athletes in general? etc. etc.
    Gordon Gekko is wrong. It is not a zero sum game. The value of something is increased by trading it. And poker players are not entertainers either. If that argument held water, there would still be plenty of poker on TV despite losing FTP and PS sponsorships.

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    Let me turn it around for you: there are too many people on this earth, by playing poker you leave room for someone to find a job that you would otherwise occupy.

    Giving someone a job so that a person can support his/her family is more contributing to society than 95%+ of people do.
    There are not too many people on the planet. More people means a greater diversification in skills which leads to technological innovations that benefit everyone in society as a whole. If you think I'm wrong, you should move to Montana to live in a 10' by 12' cabin.

    I'm not hating. I recognize that being good enough at poker to play professionally requires a lot of work, and I do consider it a job. But it doesn't contribute to society so if you are a pro and think you do contribute to society, tell me how. I'm sure some of you do.

    Again, sorry for the hijack, Josh, but I had to respond to people who are just wrong.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 11:19 PM   #2570
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    Wow that comment started a winfall. To clarify, I do not think poker players contribute to society. At the same token, I also feel most businessmen, accountants, athletes, wall street gurus, economists, etc do not contribute either. Policemen, firemen, teachers, doctors, honest politicians, farmers, people like that contribute to society.
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    Old 08-07-2012, 11:25 PM   #2571
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    meh

    If you want to "do good", playing poker either recreationally or professionally should not limit you.
     
    Old 08-07-2012, 11:30 PM   #2572
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    Yank, you're a genius. Truly. Truly you are, sir, and you have put us all in our place with your razor observations, which aren't the least bit inaccurate or distorted, and your intellectual acumen, which isn't the least bit laughable. At all.
    I believe you truly are a worldly man, if that's what incontinent means anymore ....

    That being said, I vote to end this avenue of discussion - would love another update from OP. How's it going down in ol' Mejico, Sir veza? More graphs, I say!
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    Old 08-08-2012, 01:57 AM   #2573
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    Will read and respond to everything tomorrow, getting ready to head out to a club to play some pool, pound some brews and look at some titties with a couple rosa bro's!

    Ran hot again today, hopefully keep it goingggg! I did read above "More graphs, I say!" so graphs there will be

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    Old 08-08-2012, 03:01 AM   #2574
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    are you staked for merge stuff?


    going on your own soon?
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    Old 08-08-2012, 04:25 AM   #2575
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    This is interesting to me because I recently had the same value discussion with my economist fiancée. I think the mistake was using such emotive language - "not contributing to society" isn't true, but "not a productive job" is (as has been compared to stockbroking et al). Whether it bothers you that you're productive economically is entirely up to you but the argument that it provides someone else with a job is interesting and something I hadn't considered
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