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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Don't remember the previous hands
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
unless he's very tight post flop.
V plays 25/50/100+ for fun and not afraid to put chips in the pot
Here’s one of the previous hands featuring this V- have countless like it.
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
He flats all his AJ and KJ pf I'm assuming?
I’ve seen V pile in several hundred bb with those hands as well as just flat an open in the bb or limp/call pre
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
assuming he shows up with J7 as well?
yeah, V has all offsuit combos of J7 pre
this extends to all possible straight draws like 64o, 65o, 89o etc though so mostly a good thing for sure in a vacuum across all streets
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Any idea what he raises flop with? Ever doing it with a naked Jx?
V is extremely unpredictable as mentioned but I’d say air is reduced given flop is multi-way. He also views both the PFR and myself as tight.
I think 3-betting flop is the play for this reason.
Even if V has a gutter, he’s not folding vs a small click back.
With AJ+ he’ll just GII otf for this amount of big blinds for the most part I think. That doesn’t mean he always raises Jx though. But I’ve seen him do it multiple times.
The reason I just flatted is V is super wide generally speaking and not afraid to blast off (good for us when we have a set obv)
We benefit so much the times when V 2x river w 9 high etc
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
I think I stuff it in pretty easily.
Ty for sharing your thoughts
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Originally Posted by SABR42
I would fold before shoving here.
That said I don't fold, but jamming seems bad. Whether he folds any worse value to a jam is the wrong question to ask. You actually have to ask:
Ty for dropping in and sharing your thoughts
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Originally Posted by SABR42
1) What worse value does he get here with? You think he bets the turn here with AJ and then overbets the river? I think that's not super likely. The J pairing the river is a really bad card for 33, and it's no use jamming vs a bluff, we don't win any more.
It’s pretty tricky vs this V
I pay tons of attention to showdowns and I get more confused with each one lol
my spidey senses told me had it here in game (which was why I inevitably ended up calling
) but I’m not really sure how much weight that holds in a vacuum spot to spot and it’s not the greatest way to come to a conclusion
This is after I considered everything, of course.
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2) Are you even good here 50% of the time when he takes this sizing when it looks like you have a jack already? If you say he can have bluffs here we have to call, but we still might be losing more than half the time (but not enough for folding to be the right play).
It could be one of those spots where with this specific turn + river sizing he just has it 100% of the time but generally speaking we have no way to know that ofc so with my history with this V and from what I’ve seen I don’t think we can reasonably click fold.
That being said, I think these spots are fairly complex for a million different reasons and you’re a much better player than me.
This is also why I love super deepstack games vs creative, splashy players as they’re infinitely more complex than 100bb 6m.
Complex not equaling difficult of course.
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Originally Posted by 2021shipit
I actually think shove can be fine. It's definitely close. AJ is a massive portion of range imo, definitely makes sense for him to check raise the flop then bet smallish OTT with that hand, even a QJ. So in reality he can have a lot a lot of trips here. I think 77 and KJ are relatively unlikely with that turn sizing.
Ty for sharing your thoughts.
I think this is pretty spot on.
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Shove!
oops
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And <3
<3
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V says “nice call” in the chat.
sick life what a needle smdh
I screwed this hand up on the flop. I should be making it $500~. V makes it $1000-1500 probably and then I just stick the 3k in.
I’m aware V ends up getting there and had we back-raised flop we end up losing a 6.5k pot instead of a 3.7k pot but that’s just the way it goes sometimes.
I’m fully used to it by now. okay, not really. *cries a little*
thanks for reading
Last edited by RoadtoPro; 11-30-2021 at 10:06 AM.