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11-25-2021 , 09:39 PM
booked with tuma
11-26-2021 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
Hero just calls after using a time bank. Mistake?

not sure what kind of tells that gives off. Logic here was if whale puts in a 5-bet and tight-Ish reg puts in the 6b jam for 400bb I can just click fold with K K.

I was also trying to figure out what I’d do with A A or A K etc as I think that’s fairly important. helps with range visualization postflop as well etc

Whale overcalls quickly. I don’t think this V is clicking fold often with anything that was 3b once I call.

Flop ($827): Q 9 3 *Reg checks. Hero?

have a player behind us who we’re fairly deep with but who is super wide here

*put in turn action otf
Flop ($827): Q 9 3. Reg checks. Hero checks. Aggro, splashy, stuck whale checks behind.

Not really sure. In game I’m thinking reg still reasonably has AA, QQ and we it’s not the greatest spot if we get raised from the whale as well oop w piles behind.

I think we just have to ship the 4k and pray if we bet mid size+ and get raised by the whale.

Turn ($827): Q 9 3 3. Reg delay c-bet $399. Hero calls. Whale overcalls.

River($2024): Q 9 3 3 5. Reg checks.

Hero?

Last edited by RoadtoPro; 11-26-2021 at 05:17 AM.
11-26-2021 , 09:15 AM
Check
11-26-2021 , 04:05 PM
cliffs on a9 hand?

did you spend thanksgiving with family or on the felt?
11-26-2021 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyPeru 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
Check
ty for the feedback, sir

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Originally Posted by rickroll 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
cliffs on a9 hand?
I iso A9o SB over a couple limpers in a 1/3 game. AJ9x. GII OTT lose to AJ.

Got defensive trying to point out out that the preflop mistake didn’t cost me my stack (like if it was A9s it’d be OK and not suddenly $500 in EV better or whatever the amount was) and then probably said some dumb stuff on top of that.

(Obviously don’t agree with the play or what I said now, I’m just giving you cliffs)



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Originally Posted by rickroll 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
did you spend thanksgiving with family or on the felt?
grinding bigger game + pio
11-26-2021 , 10:14 PM
Wild Blueberry Pie with Coo Whip >>>>>>> pio

ainec
11-27-2021 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
Wild Blueberry Pie with Coo Whip >>>>>>> pio

ainec
i prefer the pumpkin or apple variety

WCC Game 1:





I understand that if you don’t like chess this is like watching paint dry.

I’ll probably do a lot of posting itt about this bc why not

I haven’t followed chess tournaments closely for a while but this will definitely be an exception.

The last WCC was in 2018 and Magnus has been the world champion since 2013

Magnus is 4-0

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worl...s_Championship

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._Championships
11-27-2021 , 06:09 AM
#TeamMagnus
11-27-2021 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
dm/text me if youíd like some friendly action on Carlsen-Nepo

(World Chess Championship)

Iíll take Nepo at whatever the line is

$100 min

Starts Friday

Where can you find lines for this?
11-27-2021 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
I iso A9o SB over a couple limpers in a 1/3 game. AJ9x. GII OTT lose to AJ.

Got defensive trying to point out out that the preflop mistake didnít cost me my stack (like if it was A9s itíd be OK and not suddenly $500 in EV better or whatever the amount was) and then probably said some dumb stuff on top of that.

grinding bigger game + pio
To be fair, I can think of another hand we disagreed on months later where I am now pretty certain that I was wrong, and likely also said some dumb stuff.

Youíve likely learned more this past year than I have in the previous five because of bolded and other reasons weíve discussed before (time/mental, etc.).
11-27-2021 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
#TeamMagnus
i think ian is super under appreciated

but there are times where magnus seems virtually unbeatable of course.

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Originally Posted by browni3141 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
Where can you find lines for this?
not in my best interests to post this obviously - but usually my m.o. for friendly wagers (includes prop bets etc) is to do whatever the other person wants/makes them happy. the financial EV isnít particularly relevant on my side.

this will likely change in the future as the poker world lends itself to more of this stuff and I should probably train myself to match the other persons spirit (whatever that is) towards a wager but itís where my heart is at least.

I have +300 on nepo

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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
To be fair, I can think of another hand we disagreed on months later where I am now pretty certain that I was wrong, and likely also said some dumb stuff.



Youíve likely learned more this past year than I have in the previous five because of bolded and other reasons weíve discussed before (time/mental, etc.).

just trying to be as productive and work as hard as I can everyday.

I donít click buttons particularly well but itís still early and I appreciate the good vibes

11-27-2021 , 06:53 PM
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if all 14 games of the match are drawn now. Ideally I'd like to see a first to 5 wins match but for organizers to have a match that has no end in sight is not really possible to organize nowadays.
11-28-2021 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
Flop ($827): Q 9 3. Reg checks. Hero checks. Aggro, splashy, stuck whale checks behind.

Not really sure. In game Iím thinking reg still reasonably has AA, QQ and we itís not the greatest spot if we get raised from the whale as well oop w piles behind.

I think we just have to ship the 4k and pray if we bet mid size+ and get raised by the whale.

Turn ($827): Q 9 3 3. Reg delay c-bet $399. Hero calls. Whale overcalls.

River($2024): Q 9 3 3 5. Reg checks.

Hero?
Hero checks. V bets $860 with regular timing. Reg folds. Hero?

Call or raise question, of course.

$3,735E heading to the river.
11-28-2021 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
Love this.

Realized something I don’t think I noted. Don’t want to get into the nitty gritty of this but it’s a semi important detail that may not come to the readers mind.

our effective stacks are way over the max that I can rebuy back in for if I bust. It’s not necessarily the cap as if a whale wants to re-buy in for X covering Y player- he shall probably receive X.

Anyways, this increases the value of waiting for a fist bump spot at times (depending on how good the game is etc) and was in the back of my head (especially on the flop) as a practical concern.

It’s no bueno getting it in with 55-60% eq for 2000+ bb, losing, and only being able to rebuy for a fraction taking away the opp to catch a ginormous punt.

then there’s also the fact that I for sure am absolutely petrified of losing a five figure pot or thereabouts in brutal fashion but I understand it will probably happen soon so I just need to get over it especially given I can’t run whenever I get up.

do with that info what you will if you’d like to share your thoughts

thanks for reading

Last edited by RoadtoPro; 11-28-2021 at 03:20 AM.
11-28-2021 , 05:12 AM
11-28-2021 , 03:17 PM
Seems unlikely you ever show up with a better hand in this spot after checking flop/turn then checking river.
That, combined w/ the fact that
1) his sizing indicates he's v weighted towards Qx
2) you have a lot of hands here with no showdown value

In practice if we show up here with JT, I think the consensus would be it's a silly bluff spot to rep anything after checking river, thus a good spot for thinnish value shove.

Your argument for not wanting to take marginal spots this deep without ability to rebuy is valid, but imo that should apply more to not wanting to get into a race OTF rather than a river jam spot.
11-28-2021 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
Ty for dropping in sir

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Originally Posted by YGOchamp 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
Seems unlikely you ever show up with a better hand in this spot after checking flop/turn then checking river.
That, combined w/ the fact that
1) his sizing indicates he's v weighted towards Qx
2) you have a lot of hands here with no showdown value

In practice if we show up here with JT, I think the consensus would be it's a silly bluff spot to rep anything after checking river, thus a good spot for thinnish value shove.

Your argument for not wanting to take marginal spots this deep without ability to rebuy is valid, but imo that should apply more to not wanting to get into a race OTF rather than a river jam spot.
this is great, thanks for the feedback

I think jamming is the play in hindsight.

Spoiler:
Hero tank calls and scoops vs J 8.


not surprised with V’s hand, interesting that V xb flop though

its possible im too critical and played the hand perfectly somehow starting with the flat pre given all the variables, intangibles, game flow, considerations, but I highly doubt it and try not to be results oriented about these things

thanks for reading
11-28-2021 , 08:57 PM
Another boring draw in WCC.

Magnus needs to rock out with a Sicilian ffs.
11-29-2021 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if all 14 games of the match are drawn now. Ideally I'd like to see a first to 5 wins match but for organizers to have a match that has no end in sight is not really possible to organize nowadays.
interesting idea- how long on average do you think this would take?

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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
Another boring draw in WCC.

Magnus needs to rock out with a Sicilian ffs.
Magnus may be top 1-3 all time and undefeated in WCC but I still like nepo to work some magic…

Something I found fascinating about games 1-2 was how chaotic the early middle games were

pretty crazy given the stage and the magnitude of preparation imo


WCC Game 2:



WCC Game 3:


Even if you only know how to move the pieces, I’d encourage you to give all the recaps a try.

World Championships in every sport/game etc are usually pretty cool

And Magnus has never lost one so that’s a fun anti sweat

11-29-2021 , 04:18 AM
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interesting idea- how long on average do you think this would take?
60-70 games probably lol
11-29-2021 , 08:03 PM
200/400/800nl
Main V is same whale from previous HH. Different session.

PFR is good reg.

$3220E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Straddle $8. PFR opens $40 SB. Hero calls BB with 3 3. Main V overcalls straddle.

Flop ($120): J 7 3. PFR c-bets $60. Hero calls. Main V raises to $170. PFR folds. Hero calls.

Turn ($520): J 7 3 K. Hero checks. V continues $250. Hero calls.

River ($1020): J 7 3 K J.

Hero checks. V bets $1370, leaving $1385 back. Regular-Ish timing on all streets, nothing I was really reading into in game.

Think preflop is straightforward with this V in the straddle.

Iím not sure about the rest of the hand. Itís less likely that this V has air when multi-way and if he has value weíre incentivized to shovel in as much as possible on earlier streets generally speaking.

Itís also a lot harder to get the money in deepstack.

I didnít really have the greatest read on what V shows up with here- he is extremely unpredictable. Overbets plenty with lots of different hand classes.

Stuck piles. Absolutely capable of raising flop and blasting off here with 9 8 or the equivalent- but this is mostly a call vs jam question.

Donít think folding is reasonable even though it did cross my mind in game.

I donít see V folding any value vs a jam.

Thoughts?
11-29-2021 , 08:26 PM
He flats all his AJ and KJ pf I'm assuming?

Don't remember the previous hands but assuming he shows up with J7 as well?

Any idea what he raises flop with? Ever doing it with a naked Jx?

I think I stuff it in pretty easily. Even thinking about folding seems absurd unless he's very tight post flop.
11-29-2021 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
200/400/800nl
Main V is same whale from previous HH. Different session.

PFR is good reg.

$3220E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Straddle $8. PFR opens $40 SB. Hero calls BB with 31.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey 31.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey:. Main V overcalls straddle.

Flop ($120): J1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey: 71.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey 31.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey:. PFR c-bets $60. Hero calls. Main V raises to $170. PFR folds. Hero calls.

Turn ($520): J1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey: 71.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey 31.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey: K1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey:. Hero checks. V continues $250. Hero calls.

River ($1020): J1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey: 71.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey 31.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey: K1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey: J1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey:.

Hero checks. V bets $1370, leaving $1385 back. Regular-Ish timing on all streets, nothing I was really reading into in game.

Think preflop is straightforward with this V in the straddle.

Iím not sure about the rest of the hand. Itís less likely that this V has air when multi-way and if he has value weíre incentivized to shovel in as much as possible on earlier streets generally speaking.

Itís also a lot harder to get the money in deepstack.

I didnít really have the greatest read on what V shows up with here- he is extremely unpredictable. Overbets plenty with lots of different hand classes.

Stuck piles. Absolutely capable of raising flop and blasting off here with 91.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey 81.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey: or the equivalent- but this is mostly a call vs jam question.

Donít think folding is reasonable even though it did cross my mind in game.

I donít see V folding any value vs a jam.

Thoughts?
I would fold before shoving here.

That said I don't fold, but jamming seems bad. Whether he folds any worse value to a jam is the wrong question to ask. You actually have to ask:

1) What worse value does he get here with? You think he bets the turn here with AJ and then overbets the river? I think that's not super likely. The J pairing the river is a really bad card for 33, and it's no use jamming vs a bluff, we don't win any more.

2) Are you even good here 50% of the time when he takes this sizing when it looks like you have a jack already? If you say he can have bluffs here we have to call, but we still might be losing more than half the time (but not enough for folding to be the right play).

Last edited by SABR42; 11-29-2021 at 09:18 PM.
11-29-2021 , 10:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadtoPro 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
200/400/800nl
Main V is same whale from previous HH. Different session.

PFR is good reg.

$3220E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Straddle $8. PFR opens $40 SB. Hero calls BB with 3 3. Main V overcalls straddle.

Flop ($120): J 7 3. PFR c-bets $60. Hero calls. Main V raises to $170. PFR folds. Hero calls.

Turn ($520): J 7 3 K. Hero checks. V continues $250. Hero calls.

River ($1020): J 7 3 K J.

Hero checks. V bets $1370, leaving $1385 back. Regular-Ish timing on all streets, nothing I was really reading into in game.

Think preflop is straightforward with this V in the straddle.

I’m not sure about the rest of the hand. It’s less likely that this V has air when multi-way and if he has value we’re incentivized to shovel in as much as possible on earlier streets generally speaking.

It’s also a lot harder to get the money in deepstack.

I didn’t really have the greatest read on what V shows up with here- he is extremely unpredictable. Overbets plenty with lots of different hand classes.

Stuck piles. Absolutely capable of raising flop and blasting off here with 9 8 or the equivalent- but this is mostly a call vs jam question.

Don’t think folding is reasonable even though it did cross my mind in game.

I don’t see V folding any value vs a jam.

Thoughts?
I actually think shove can be fine. It's definitely close. AJ is a massive portion of range imo, definitely makes sense for him to check raise the flop then bet smallish OTT with that hand, even a QJ. So in reality he can have a lot a lot of trips here. I think 77 and KJ are relatively unlikely with that turn sizing.

Shove!

And <3

      
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