1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey
10-26-2021
, 03:55 PM
I just want to be the best player I can be/the best player and let the money flow in naturally through any skill I work hard to develop.
It can be quite frustrating when people constantly lose sight of that in their comments and then frame it as constructive.
I do not feel comfortable being disingenuous and doing things like making friends with people for personal gain and don’t agree with the rationalizations either
Obviously, this leaves piles of money on the table. I’m aware of this, I just value other things more
I wish there was more support for people trying to go about things the right way but this is what the early stages of the thread was like and we’re still here.
I’m not going anywhere
10-26-2021
, 05:14 PM
10-28-2021
, 12:30 AM
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Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan, Doug Polk still get invited to these games despite not trying to put on a show.
I want to take that route. If someone becomes the best at their craft, their peers will recognize that and help elevate them.
Whales tend to respect the best pros at the top of the game and want to mix it up with them regardless of how fun they are (like Ivey and dwan back in the day)
This will only be an issue if I fail to be the best.
Phil Ivey, Tom Dwan, Doug Polk still get invited to these games despite not trying to put on a show.
I want to take that route. If someone becomes the best at their craft, their peers will recognize that and help elevate them.
Whales tend to respect the best pros at the top of the game and want to mix it up with them regardless of how fun they are (like Ivey and dwan back in the day)
This will only be an issue if I fail to be the best.
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Thanks man
I just want to be the best player I can be/the best player and let the money flow in naturally through any skill I work hard to develop.
It can be quite frustrating when people constantly lose sight of that in their comments and then frame it as constructive.
I do not feel comfortable being disingenuous and doing things like making friends with people for personal gain and don’t agree with the rationalizations either
I just want to be the best player I can be/the best player and let the money flow in naturally through any skill I work hard to develop.
It can be quite frustrating when people constantly lose sight of that in their comments and then frame it as constructive.
I do not feel comfortable being disingenuous and doing things like making friends with people for personal gain and don’t agree with the rationalizations either
To this point, he's correct. If you're Garrett, or Tom Dwan, or Phil Ivey, or LinusLove, then yes you will be able to get in a decent amount of games either way.
I suppose another thing I want to note is that you're turning this into a false dichotomy. It's not as polar as being extremely ethical or a total scumbag. Garrett does a LOT of the things we've been recommending to you (catering to whales). This differs from Phil Ivey who doesn't have to do **** to get in the game. Even Garrett, who's arguably one of the best live players in the world, needs his likability and soft skills.
Lastly, I totally admire the fact that your ambition is purely to be #1. I don't want to persuade you to chase money over ambition. All I'll say is that if you happen to get to a point where you realize you're "high enough" on the totem poll, but the height isn't quite high enough to get you into games by itself, I hope you'll reconsider your stance. BUT, of course, I genuinely am rooting for you to be #1 so hopefully we won't have to make that decision at all
10-28-2021
, 04:02 AM
Don't forget McMuffin the Wholesome Mod when you're on top of the world RtP! 
11-06-2021
, 04:59 AM
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rtp i worked for a small tech company that got the right investment and over the course of a 2 years went from a dozen people to 2k+ and getting publicly listed
the ceo was literally dumb as a bag of rocks, but he was well connected and very likable, investors felt a comradery with him and felt comfortable investing millions and lending expertise and support - it was him, the blundering idiot, who would give hour long speeches to the entire company telling us inane and vapid nonsense that didn't lead to anything and just wasted time. But his likeability among his "peers" who knew him from dinners and drinks and loved him were what led to the company having the financial and technical resources to succeed.
here's a general gyst of one of those speeches
"so we want to design an app yes? who doesn't like apps? everyone likes apps! my grandma likes apps. children like apps too. maybe those women selling fruit outside also like apps. so we need to make apps. because everyone loves apps"
*followed by 15 more minutes of people loving apps
then he comes in with the reason for taking 2 hours of everyone in the company including hr/accounting etc.
"so we need to make apps fun. whats fun? i don't know? fun things are different for different people. if someone likes the color purple, perhaps it's because they love grape flavored candy. maybe they like red? perhaps they enjoy apples?"
*this was the lynchpin of his speech that people like different colors
meanwhile media is covering him like some wunderkind just seeing the growth of the company and unaware there's an imbecile behind the helm.
it's incredible how far you can get just by being likable to the right people
the ceo was literally dumb as a bag of rocks, but he was well connected and very likable, investors felt a comradery with him and felt comfortable investing millions and lending expertise and support - it was him, the blundering idiot, who would give hour long speeches to the entire company telling us inane and vapid nonsense that didn't lead to anything and just wasted time. But his likeability among his "peers" who knew him from dinners and drinks and loved him were what led to the company having the financial and technical resources to succeed.
here's a general gyst of one of those speeches
"so we want to design an app yes? who doesn't like apps? everyone likes apps! my grandma likes apps. children like apps too. maybe those women selling fruit outside also like apps. so we need to make apps. because everyone loves apps"
*followed by 15 more minutes of people loving apps
then he comes in with the reason for taking 2 hours of everyone in the company including hr/accounting etc.
"so we need to make apps fun. whats fun? i don't know? fun things are different for different people. if someone likes the color purple, perhaps it's because they love grape flavored candy. maybe they like red? perhaps they enjoy apples?"
*this was the lynchpin of his speech that people like different colors
meanwhile media is covering him like some wunderkind just seeing the growth of the company and unaware there's an imbecile behind the helm.
it's incredible how far you can get just by being likable to the right people
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As someone who only plays in private mid to high stakes games, I can confirm that the above posters are telling you like it is.
The best players don’t win all the money bc they aren’t invited to play. Being fun to play with, not an ******* and passing up some small edges to cater to action players is way more important than technical skills once you reach a certain level of skill.
The best players don’t win all the money bc they aren’t invited to play. Being fun to play with, not an ******* and passing up some small edges to cater to action players is way more important than technical skills once you reach a certain level of skill.
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Just an observation, but how are you feeling regarding live vs online?
More I read your posts and thoughts, I think playing online would be more enjoyable/the better path for your goals to be the best.
It avoids a ton of the politics of live; and while it’s much more difficult competition I think it’s going to give you a quicker fast track to hitting your goal of being #1.
Also if you’re not playing private games, a top online cash winner is going to make much more than a live pro imo
More I read your posts and thoughts, I think playing online would be more enjoyable/the better path for your goals to be the best.
It avoids a ton of the politics of live; and while it’s much more difficult competition I think it’s going to give you a quicker fast track to hitting your goal of being #1.
Also if you’re not playing private games, a top online cash winner is going to make much more than a live pro imo
I want to be the best live player. I think deepstack as well as multi-way poker specifically is most suited to my skill-set. I think we can agree that deepstack live poker is infinitely more complex than 100bb online poker which really plays to my strengths. The more pieces to the puzzle, the better for me. Higher upside.
This is more of a live/super juicy online thing.
I agree that the journey of climbing to HSNL online is my best path to getting there (like most live endbosses), which is why I’ve been only mixing in live to peel cards, shuffle chips, accumulate table time etc. recently pre WSOP despite being in a great spot for live poker.
However, reaching HSNL I think there’s great diminishing returns given my goal. Experience playing deepstack live with countless straddling etc live would take precedent, I’d imagine, in my pursuit.
Any edge a top live player would be giving up 100, 150, 200bb reg v reg HU would be more than made up for knowing how to maximize 500bb+ vs every kind of rec I’d imagine in a live environment where every other pot is 5 ways.
I’m not concerned about high stakes for now, and think that’s a discussion for another time.
As for accumulating deepstack/bigger live volume in general… In Vegas, I think the Aria and Wynn 5/10’s are good examples. There’s also 10/20 Bellagio.
In LA, there’s the bike 5/10, Commerce 10/20 etc.
All of these games are regularly running and public.
I think triple digit hourlies are reasonable in all of these games referencing the $ point you made. The EV is way easier to realize online though ofc
And I would definitely imagine 2022 will involve volume in the aforementioned games.
But the tldr is that i think there’s diminishing returns in my pursuit to be the best live player after reaching a certain point online. It’d be different if I wanted to be the best poker player period.
And then my naive perspective is also that the best live players are better at live poker than the best online players (but not in general obv) given that’s where they specialize. In other words, the best live player…. is a live player. IMO
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It seems this is the point that's being missed by me and Miami. RTP's goal is truly to be one of the greats. Not just another mid-high stakes unknown pro who quietly rakes in 500k+/year. He wants to be the best, nothing less.
To this point, he's correct. If you're Garrett, or Tom Dwan, or Phil Ivey, or LinusLove, then yes you will be able to get in a decent amount of games either way.
I suppose another thing I want to note is that you're turning this into a false dichotomy. It's not as polar as being extremely ethical or a total scumbag. Garrett does a LOT of the things we've been recommending to you (catering to whales). This differs from Phil Ivey who doesn't have to do **** to get in the game. Even Garrett, who's arguably one of the best live players in the world, needs his likability and soft skills.
Lastly, I totally admire the fact that your ambition is purely to be #1. I don't want to persuade you to chase money over ambition. All I'll say is that if you happen to get to a point where you realize you're "high enough" on the totem poll, but the height isn't quite high enough to get you into games by itself, I hope you'll reconsider your stance. BUT, of course, I genuinely am rooting for you to be #1 so hopefully we won't have to make that decision at all
To this point, he's correct. If you're Garrett, or Tom Dwan, or Phil Ivey, or LinusLove, then yes you will be able to get in a decent amount of games either way.
I suppose another thing I want to note is that you're turning this into a false dichotomy. It's not as polar as being extremely ethical or a total scumbag. Garrett does a LOT of the things we've been recommending to you (catering to whales). This differs from Phil Ivey who doesn't have to do **** to get in the game. Even Garrett, who's arguably one of the best live players in the world, needs his likability and soft skills.
Lastly, I totally admire the fact that your ambition is purely to be #1. I don't want to persuade you to chase money over ambition. All I'll say is that if you happen to get to a point where you realize you're "high enough" on the totem poll, but the height isn't quite high enough to get you into games by itself, I hope you'll reconsider your stance. BUT, of course, I genuinely am rooting for you to be #1 so hopefully we won't have to make that decision at all
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+1
Half the reason these notable players are able to get into the games you're talking about is because they were famous TV players. We don't have that anymore. I suppose you have hustler and LATB that could accomplish it, but even getting into those games requires some form of politics, being entertaining, etc. Sure there's a few people like Andy who get away with doing nothing, but that's definitely the exception and not the rule
How are you going to ever make a name for yourself and get into these larger games on pure merit, if you're not even able to get into most of the games to begin with? You're overestimating the amount of large public games available. You can be the best player in the world, but that doesn't matter if you have nobody to play against.
Trying to be best online player is probably your best option, and if you get notoriety through that, you'll have access to enough live games.
I also want to note that I normally disagree with bbisisck regarding online vs live (despite me ironically making most of my $ online), but for your specific goals I think it's a much better fit.
Half the reason these notable players are able to get into the games you're talking about is because they were famous TV players. We don't have that anymore. I suppose you have hustler and LATB that could accomplish it, but even getting into those games requires some form of politics, being entertaining, etc. Sure there's a few people like Andy who get away with doing nothing, but that's definitely the exception and not the rule
How are you going to ever make a name for yourself and get into these larger games on pure merit, if you're not even able to get into most of the games to begin with? You're overestimating the amount of large public games available. You can be the best player in the world, but that doesn't matter if you have nobody to play against.
Trying to be best online player is probably your best option, and if you get notoriety through that, you'll have access to enough live games.
I also want to note that I normally disagree with bbisisck regarding online vs live (despite me ironically making most of my $ online), but for your specific goals I think it's a much better fit.
Even $250k/yr avg preT would be completely fine, assuming I accomplish my goals. Im a simple man, with simple tastes with a fortunate living/life situation.
I can always sell action etc if capital is ever an issue. Should be printing for anyone who has the privilege of investing in me. My focus is just on accumulating as much skill (as opposed to capital) as possible. I’ confident the rest will take care of itself.
Lots of rich people out there. Lots of lucky people. Lots of people who were in the right place or made the right investment at the right time.
I want to be transcendent.
"Nobody" will be able to tell me I got lucky wrt my accomplishments within my true passions in life. How many people can say that?
That's important to me.
11-06-2021
, 05:06 AM
Due to some of the comments here and pms I’ve gotten, I thought this would be a good time to recap these past 15 months for the more casual reader.
Part 1:
Taking inspiration mainly from bbissick’s recap, someone who I look up to:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1550
Obviously read his if you haven’t already.
I did poker 24/7~ during this stretch. Played/studied/talked/watched/read poker all day everyday, with a high percentage of those hours being productive.
With all my time being spent in the hypothetical lab, entertaining updates were never an option~
July 2020:
OP:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...02&postcount=1
When I started this thread I had just finished my third year of college/university and was just wrapping up a summer course I had to take in order to graduate in summer.
These posts may give you some insight into where I was at pokerwise at the start of the thread/at the beginning of this journey.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...6&postcount=52
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...3&postcount=61
August 2020:
Move out of my apartment in TX and back in with my mom in CA. Here’s some visuals of the road trip:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=222
Graduated
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=288
One of the coolest parts about the thread is the mostly unfiltered thoughts from others. They are a bigger part of this small blog than my posts. I compiled a list of posts that left a mark on me, (small or big) at the time I read it. I’m sure I missed plenty, it’s not personal of course if your great post wasn’t included.
I wanted to pick out a selection of poasts that would add the most value to the collective of people that would be interested in reading them.
I appreciate everyone’s posts once again, even all the ones that weren’t linked.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=101
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=118
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=120
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=122
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=143
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=153
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=171
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=224
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=243
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=252
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=294
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=301
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=349
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=389
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=395
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=397
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=404
*would highly recommend any aspiring pro take a look at all of the above comments and internalize them. I quoted wisdom that I somewhat agree with a year into this journey. Obviously, there was lots of terrible advice too- which I left out.
love you guys
Part 1:
Taking inspiration mainly from bbissick’s recap, someone who I look up to:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1550
Obviously read his if you haven’t already.
I did poker 24/7~ during this stretch. Played/studied/talked/watched/read poker all day everyday, with a high percentage of those hours being productive.
With all my time being spent in the hypothetical lab, entertaining updates were never an option~
July 2020:
OP:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...02&postcount=1
When I started this thread I had just finished my third year of college/university and was just wrapping up a summer course I had to take in order to graduate in summer.
These posts may give you some insight into where I was at pokerwise at the start of the thread/at the beginning of this journey.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...6&postcount=52
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...3&postcount=61
August 2020:
Move out of my apartment in TX and back in with my mom in CA. Here’s some visuals of the road trip:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=222
Graduated
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=288
One of the coolest parts about the thread is the mostly unfiltered thoughts from others. They are a bigger part of this small blog than my posts. I compiled a list of posts that left a mark on me, (small or big) at the time I read it. I’m sure I missed plenty, it’s not personal of course if your great post wasn’t included.
I wanted to pick out a selection of poasts that would add the most value to the collective of people that would be interested in reading them.
I appreciate everyone’s posts once again, even all the ones that weren’t linked.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=101
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=118
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=120
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=122
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=143
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=153
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=171
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=224
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=243
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=252
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=294
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=301
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=349
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=389
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=395
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=397
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=404
*would highly recommend any aspiring pro take a look at all of the above comments and internalize them. I quoted wisdom that I somewhat agree with a year into this journey. Obviously, there was lots of terrible advice too- which I left out.
Spoiler:
love you guys
Last edited by RoadtoPro; 11-06-2021 at 05:17 AM.
11-06-2021
, 12:03 PM
Thanks man
This is just part 1. See the post number of the last post linked.
Part 1 covers up to October of last year~
the plan is to include a similar list of posts in each part (but haven’t written it yet)
I prefer my mini essays to be organic and authentic which is why I write them off of inspiration at random times.
It’s not everyone’s style and can rub people the wrong way but it’s not meant for those people!
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Flicked through your list of postings...
I'm curious as to why you did not include this post from Rob Farha in your listing?
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=592
I'm curious as to why you did not include this post from Rob Farha in your listing?
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=592
Part 1 covers up to October of last year~
the plan is to include a similar list of posts in each part (but haven’t written it yet)
I prefer my mini essays to be organic and authentic which is why I write them off of inspiration at random times.
It’s not everyone’s style and can rub people the wrong way but it’s not meant for those people!
11-06-2021
, 06:10 PM
healthy at first break
disproportionately have the highest % of pots won, mostly via aggression, but lost a few medium sized ones otr to chip down.
made a big fold w top two, idk
competent table for a $570 live tourney
happy to be mixing it up
feedback on the first recap welcome, will help make the future ones a more pleasant read.
11-06-2021
, 10:31 PM
11-07-2021
, 12:02 AM
Musings:
Won over ten smaller pots. Pretty standard stuff on that front. Open/iso/cc LP relatively wide assuming no ss ready to yolo ship it and then maneuver accordingly.
Had a triple w J10 on KQ5xx that got stationed off by A10. V hesitated quite a bit OTT and seemed to be super wide pre/calling flops wide so thought river was printing even more than optimal. V probably thinking: “he either has it or he doesn’t”. Callll”
Had K 10 on A10J8hhxx. V x/r me large OTT and then x/c river 9x.
V took it down 76o. only at commerce
Hands:
1.
200/300, 300 ante 30K~ effective
Hero opens Q 10 800. Rec calls CO. Reggy player calls SB. Main V overcalls BB. 30s black guy. donked a few flops already. Seems active, but seems to have a fold button as well. Probably recreational, but seems aware.
(Flop: 3700) Q 10 9. SB checks. V donks 800. Hero raises 2800. CO folds. SB folds. V calls.
(Turn: 9300) Q 10 7 4. V hesitates and checks. Hero xb.
(River: 9300) Q 10 7 4 4. V donks 6200/6300 iirc. Hero reluctantly folds.
I thought about shipping for a bit while I decided I wasn’t calling but there are plenty of higher EV spots and my image wasn’t conducive to getting hands as strong as A high flushes to click fold I don’t think. I’d jam QQ/10 though and while striving for balance in these things doesn’t make any sense we should always have at least one bluff jam combo. Can’t just have exclusively nuts unless they always click call with their value and we know that ofc.
I think a call is reasonable too but prefer folding in low EV spots as chips lost are worth more than chips won and I think I have a sizeable edge
I overthink these things. Mostly a good thing I suppose for growth.
——
Bust out hand:
2.
I open SB A Q. BB calls. Seemed like a pretty big rec. got moved to this table recently so not super dialed into his tendencies but based off of table talk, mannerisms, a couple showdowns this guy has no clue.
Flop: A 10 8. Hero 50%, V quickly calls.
Turn: A 10 8 8. Hero 75%, V quickly jams. “IM ALL IN” super aggressively for 21KE chips on top.
I didn’t love to hear that as this is no longer a high EV spot once he jams. Cash or tourneys though, think we have a fairly straightforward call vs this player type having more than enough equity on average imo.
Runout: A 10 8 8 2
V takes it down with 8 5
Last I checked the leaderboard was at the end of break #2 when there were 81 remaining out of 220 something I believe. Dunno what place I busted
As soul sucking as the cash game grind can be, especially in tougher/bigger games, I like that there’s no losing. I make money mostly every session I play. This is because the EV is what’s real to me and it’s always positive.
I haven’t reached that paradigm yet as it relates to tournaments, despite it being always positive as well~. Maybe it’s bc the EV is so much harder to realize.
These tournaments always have me re-evaluating my entire life. I have a lot of people to thank, most importantly.
firstly I’d like to thank my friend mr spyutastic for helping me out since before the start of the thread as well as mr squidface.
i didn't think I listened to either of them bc ik everything etc (im only half kidding) but i suppose since were not busto some of the wisdom may have gotten through
that’s it for now.
It’s a very deflating feeling, but this is the life I chose
Plan is to break some **** (lol jk) and then log a 6-10 hour live session at a casino that’s not commerce after completing a long meditation and doing some journaling.
Flying out to Vegas tomorrow following what will probably be an all-nighter/zero sleep.
excited anyways, we have some souls to crush
Won over ten smaller pots. Pretty standard stuff on that front. Open/iso/cc LP relatively wide assuming no ss ready to yolo ship it and then maneuver accordingly.
Had a triple w J10 on KQ5xx that got stationed off by A10. V hesitated quite a bit OTT and seemed to be super wide pre/calling flops wide so thought river was printing even more than optimal. V probably thinking: “he either has it or he doesn’t”. Callll”
Had K
10 on A10J8hhxx. V x/r me large OTT and then x/c river 9x. V took it down 76o. only at commerce
Hands:
1.
200/300, 300 ante 30K~ effective
Hero opens Q
10 800. Rec calls CO. Reggy player calls SB. Main V overcalls BB. 30s black guy. donked a few flops already. Seems active, but seems to have a fold button as well. Probably recreational, but seems aware. (Flop: 3700) Q
10 9. SB checks. V donks 800. Hero raises 2800. CO folds. SB folds. V calls. (Turn: 9300) Q
10 7 4. V hesitates and checks. Hero xb. (River: 9300) Q
10 7 4 4. V donks 6200/6300 iirc. Hero reluctantly folds. I thought about shipping for a bit while I decided I wasn’t calling but there are plenty of higher EV spots and my image wasn’t conducive to getting hands as strong as A high flushes to click fold I don’t think. I’d jam QQ/10 though and while striving for balance in these things doesn’t make any sense we should always have at least one bluff jam combo. Can’t just have exclusively nuts unless they always click call with their value and we know that ofc.
I think a call is reasonable too but prefer folding in low EV spots as chips lost are worth more than chips won and I think I have a sizeable edge
I overthink these things. Mostly a good thing I suppose for growth.
——
Bust out hand:
2.
I open SB A
Q. BB calls. Seemed like a pretty big rec. got moved to this table recently so not super dialed into his tendencies but based off of table talk, mannerisms, a couple showdowns this guy has no clue. Flop: A
10 8. Hero 50%, V quickly calls. Turn: A
10 8 8. Hero 75%, V quickly jams. “IM ALL IN” super aggressively for 21KE chips on top. I didn’t love to hear that as this is no longer a high EV spot once he jams. Cash or tourneys though, think we have a fairly straightforward call vs this player type having more than enough equity on average imo.
Runout: A
10 8 8 2 V takes it down with 8
5Last I checked the leaderboard was at the end of break #2 when there were 81 remaining out of 220 something I believe. Dunno what place I busted
As soul sucking as the cash game grind can be, especially in tougher/bigger games, I like that there’s no losing. I make money mostly every session I play. This is because the EV is what’s real to me and it’s always positive.
I haven’t reached that paradigm yet as it relates to tournaments, despite it being always positive as well~. Maybe it’s bc the EV is so much harder to realize.
These tournaments always have me re-evaluating my entire life. I have a lot of people to thank, most importantly.
firstly I’d like to thank my friend mr spyutastic for helping me out since before the start of the thread as well as mr squidface.
i didn't think I listened to either of them bc ik everything etc (im only half kidding) but i suppose since were not busto some of the wisdom may have gotten through
that’s it for now.
It’s a very deflating feeling, but this is the life I chose
Plan is to break some **** (lol jk) and then log a 6-10 hour live session at a casino that’s not commerce after completing a long meditation and doing some journaling.
Flying out to Vegas tomorrow following what will probably be an all-nighter/zero sleep.
excited anyways, we have some souls to crush
Last edited by RoadtoPro; 11-07-2021 at 12:17 AM.
Reason: words
11-07-2021
, 03:38 AM
QT744, yes. off memory as usual, of course. I do me best
the second one the pic came out blurry but everything is correct
ty for the feedback!
a few additional thoughts~
in hand 1 im thinking this guy doesn’t want to stack off/risk his tournament life w non nuts before break #1. This was something I picked up with a fold he made earlier face up w trips vs a ss jam- hence the comment about a fold button.
I had the most aggressive image at the table by far though and that was a major deterrent, especially live where people love to soul read highly overweighting that stuff.
Another issue is that we have much better spots of course, both to call/pay off and bluff jam. Could be wrong
For hand two, I have no idea honestly bc would agree 8x a poor card ofc but I made up my mind I was calling before I bet turn. The thing is this player type is never ever folding anything decent (10x, FD+) vs 75% so betting big seems to be printing w this hand class and then once this guy jams trips are such a small overall % of his range (given all the weird 9 6, 10 4).
Good point
not deep at all given turbo tournament. Most of the nine players had less than 50bb to start the hand I believe.
Intuitively it’s closer in a tourney for this bb amount than cash though where folding doesn’t make any sense
deepstack I’m snappp folding vs a quick ob jam in any environment w the amount of info I had as 8x is the only hand they don’t need to think about when jamming for that size.
At this size, I think it’s quite reasonable they go with lots of stuff esp given that I’m the effective stack and they way cover as you can see in the pic
Thoughts very welcome. No need to have have any live or tournament experience.
Assuming you can get over me forgetting critical information in every hand
lol live poker
the second one the pic came out blurry but everything is correct
ty for the feedback!
a few additional thoughts~
in hand 1 im thinking this guy doesn’t want to stack off/risk his tournament life w non nuts before break #1. This was something I picked up with a fold he made earlier face up w trips vs a ss jam- hence the comment about a fold button.
I had the most aggressive image at the table by far though and that was a major deterrent, especially live where people love to soul read highly overweighting that stuff.
Another issue is that we have much better spots of course, both to call/pay off and bluff jam. Could be wrong
For hand two, I have no idea honestly bc would agree 8x a poor card ofc but I made up my mind I was calling before I bet turn. The thing is this player type is never ever folding anything decent (10x, FD+) vs 75% so betting big seems to be printing w this hand class and then once this guy jams trips are such a small overall % of his range (given all the weird 9
6, 10 4).not deep at all given turbo tournament. Most of the nine players had less than 50bb to start the hand I believe.
Intuitively it’s closer in a tourney for this bb amount than cash though where folding doesn’t make any sense
deepstack I’m snappp folding vs a quick ob jam in any environment w the amount of info I had as 8x is the only hand they don’t need to think about when jamming for that size.
At this size, I think it’s quite reasonable they go with lots of stuff esp given that I’m the effective stack and they way cover as you can see in the pic
Thoughts very welcome. No need to have have any live or tournament experience.
Assuming you can get over me forgetting critical information in every hand
lol live poker
Last edited by RoadtoPro; 11-07-2021 at 04:08 AM.
Reason: the quote
11-07-2021
, 04:31 AM
tyty, sir
everytime i bust a tourney (live or more often for me to date, online)
https://c.tenor.com/dH1aAmACADAAAAAC...gain-goofy.gif
Haven’t watched any nba, but surprised to see the lakers at 5-5. Thoughts on them as a legitimate title contender?
How are all the new (washed?) up pieces fitting in?
GS/MIL/BKN playing well?
For those that are interested, this is still where my head is at
this will mean less, but more raw updates. wayyy too much time in a casino imo but I truly love this sick game
I think mixing in tournaments regularly will help me in my pursuit to grind 75 hours a week min every week to close out the year. This includes online though
I should probably shift my focus to deepstack tourneys, but from my understanding I’d need to travel to vegas.
commerce/hustler/HPC have the softest games in LA by a mile imo for those about the game selecting life but..
just living my life, clicking all kinds of buttons tho
especially in the healthy and well-being dept
love you guys
thoughts welcome
everytime i bust a tourney (live or more often for me to date, online)
https://c.tenor.com/dH1aAmACADAAAAAC...gain-goofy.gif
Haven’t watched any nba, but surprised to see the lakers at 5-5. Thoughts on them as a legitimate title contender?
How are all the new (washed?
) up pieces fitting in? GS/MIL/BKN playing well?
Quote:
As for grinding- my goal is now 75+ hours a week for the rest of the year. This includes any pre/mid/post session routines (but not studying) as well as tourneys.
Not a fan of profit goals in general, but a nice 25k+ uptick to close out the year would be solid. seems reasonable even with a few death sessions and busted tourneys along the way
Not a fan of profit goals in general, but a nice 25k+ uptick to close out the year would be solid. seems reasonable even with a few death sessions and busted tourneys along the way
this will mean less, but more raw updates. wayyy too much time in a casino imo but I truly love this sick game
I think mixing in tournaments regularly will help me in my pursuit to grind 75 hours a week min every week to close out the year. This includes online though
I should probably shift my focus to deepstack tourneys, but from my understanding I’d need to travel to vegas.
commerce/hustler/HPC have the softest games in LA by a mile imo for those about the game selecting life but..
just living my life, clicking all kinds of buttons tho
especially in the healthy and well-being dept
love you guys
thoughts welcome
11-07-2021
, 05:30 AM
11-07-2021
, 05:42 PM
Golden State is playing well and if Klay comes back at 80% then I like them to possibly contend. There’s also an outside chance of them making a trade to bolster the current roster for a run this season.
Milwaukee when healthy is a beast due to Giannis playing with confidence and being right up there as BPITL with Jokic.
Brooklyn without Kyrie likely doesn’t get it done especially with James Harden’s game being affected with how they’re not allowing gimmicky fouls being drawn by offensive players anymore. Durant has been playing lights out for the most part though.