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Old 09-12-2021, 11:32 PM   #2101
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Re: 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey

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Main V (BTN) is a good reg. seems to be super dialed into the dynamics and adjusts extremely well.

The context is that MP is a massive whale and was not folding to 3b. Inelastic v sizing as well. Jams low pocket pairs for 200bb etc

Main V probably views me as fairly tight, solid. Not sure what V has seen in pots I’ve 4b.

$770E w Main V. $800E w MP. $1160E w OR.

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Pre-flop: OR opens $12 EP. whale calls MP. Main V sqz $110 BTN. Hero wakes up with A K in the BB.

What are you clicking AP?
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Old 09-13-2021, 06:38 AM   #2102
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Re: 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey

just making it 260 to call off vs whale and 3bettor (would fold if UTG decided to ship it in).

Main v's sqz size just means you kinda have to go with it (lol at the classic ~28bb sqz). If they made it any normal sizing like 60, you could maybe consider 4bf
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Old 09-13-2021, 08:50 PM   #2103
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Re: 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey

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just making it 260 to call off vs whale and 3bettor (would fold if UTG decided to ship it in).

Main v's sqz size just means you kinda have to go with it (lol at the classic ~28bb sqz). If they made it any normal sizing like 60, you could maybe consider 4bf
ty for dropping in! how much volume are you getting in these days? miss your updates

ty for the feedback! ye this looks good to me.

I actually really like BTN’s sqz size although I personally go smaller. BTN is leveraging the stack depth as well as the fact that neither SB or BB (hero) can really get OOL w the cold 4b light given the presence of a whale who loves jamming + OR (also reg).

Also, the bigger the sizing the more likely it is whale back jam spazzes $800 on top- rather than calls.

I could be thinking abt all of this wrong but big fan of creativity in these semi bigger games w whales and lots of dynamics to consider. regs too smart, hv to confuse them amirite

so I decided to jam- having no clue what to do.

I was thinking EP is opening really wide as while open limping lots makes sense many regs think it’s a crime to do that and BTN will be squeezing a fairly std range imo- even for that sizing in this spot. We also maximize FE w BTN but mby just isolating ourselves v better.

No idea though, probably spew. everyone f

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Old 09-14-2021, 03:19 AM   #2104
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Re: 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey

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Main V (BB) is a huge whale. Very splashy, loves putting chips in the pot, seems to like spazzing out. Hadn’t seen many showdowns.

$340E

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Pre-flop: Hero RFI $6 LJ with A K. CO calls $6. Main V 3b $21 BB. Hero 4b $63. CO folds. Main V calls.

Flop ($133): A Q 7. V donks $75 quickly.

What are you clicking AP? $275E heading to the flop.
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Old 09-14-2021, 04:00 PM   #2105
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Re: 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey

Anything but calling down all the way seems bad.
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Old 09-14-2021, 06:31 PM   #2106
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Main V (LP) is the same as a recent HH(https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=2091).

Extremely splashy pre and post, but seems somewhat aware. Clicking buttons everywhere w a unhealthy mix of spice everywhere- but don’t really have a great feel for V’s play.

Not sure how V views me.

$925E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Good reg straddles $8 utg. rec limps $8 EP. Main V iso $29 btn, Hero 3b $115 BB with A K. Folds to V, who clicks call.

Flop ($248): 7 3 2. Hero checks. V bets $88. Hero calls.

Turn ($424): 7 3 2 K. Hero checks. V continues $189.

What are you clicking? Call or raise question. $705E heading to the turn.

Think flop call is straightforward against this sizing v this V even despite the poor visibility

V isn’t folding Kx he runs into or spades v a raise here I don’t think especially v click back.

V capable of tripling off tho
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Old 09-14-2021, 09:11 PM   #2107
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In the other hand I prefer calling with your stack sizes because you only have one street left amyways. Just want to give him an opportunity to blast turn again with his entire range and increase chances we get called for the rest of our stack with a larger portion of his range thatight fold the flop.

In the hand above I don't like the check call, I would prefer to keep the lead. As played I'm calling and checking river and never folding.
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:27 AM   #2108
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Re: 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey

study grind better than ever, results fine too.

today was unfortunate tho, -3.5k, w 44<22 on K-4-2-6-2hhh superrr deep v rec being a v healthy chunk of that

prolly done for the night, going to crush the grind tomorrow though! super deep-stack pokers can be painful

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Old 09-15-2021, 06:30 AM   #2109
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Re: 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey

200nl

Main V is unknown.

$300E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Good reg opens $6 LJ. Rec cc HJ. Hero 3b $24 CO with A K. BB cold 4b $50. Folds to hero, who calls.

Flop ($113): Q J 7. V c-bets $56. Hero calls

Flop ($226): Q J 7 3. V continues $61. Hero calls.

Flop ($348): Q J 7 3 8. V triples $103 (leaving $30 back)

Otr I’m thinking JJ+, AQs are clear calls- not sure about this combo in practice. We beat random stuff like KTs, ATs, chop with AK.

Most V not mixing in lots off stuff + cold 4b that wide though (KTs, ATs) and proceeding to blast off as well.

V sizing otr strange, usually a tell there. v dependent though.

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Old 09-15-2021, 06:57 AM   #2110
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Re: 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey

My thoughts?

He misclicked, imo. I wouldn't read too much into his river sizing specifically.

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Old 09-15-2021, 09:55 AM   #2111
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:02 PM   #2112
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200/400/800nl

Main V (LP) is the same as a recent HH(https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=2091).

Extremely splashy pre and post, but seems somewhat aware. Clicking buttons everywhere w a unhealthy mix of spice everywhere- but don’t really have a great feel for V’s play.

Not sure how V views me.

$925E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Good reg straddles $8 utg. rec limps $8 EP. Main V iso $29 btn, Hero 3b $115 BB with A K. Folds to V, who clicks call.

Flop ($248): 7 3 2. Hero checks. V bets $88. Hero calls.

Turn ($424): 7 3 2 K. Hero checks. V continues $189.
Hero calls turn.

River ($802): 7 3 2 K 6. Hero checks.

V times down and checks back w 10 9. Hero scoops

would hv been an interesting spot v jam hypothetically. dicey riv, we highly prefer having A K

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Old 09-15-2021, 08:20 PM   #2113
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Gotta be careful to not outlevel yourself at times. That's an important consideration that some people (not necessarily saying you) neglect.

I really look forward to your Vegas TRs!
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Old 09-16-2021, 04:12 AM   #2114
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Gotta be careful to not outlevel yourself at times. That's an important consideration that some people (not necessarily saying you) neglect.
This is more of a live/super juicy online table consideration but we’re going to do a much better job navigating the minefields (assuming IP) in a leveling war v a non perfessional whose decisions are highly impacted by emotions (f this guys) and how they’ve been running.

So I actually think it’s a a sizeable part of the edge in a 30~ hph environment @ 5/10.

Referring to 200-300bb+ mostly as well.

And also that comes w the “do not try this at home unless ur comfortable” disclaimer too.

I don’t mind going on a five figure downswing and it won’t affect by ability to show up to the tables w my all the next day and keep blastin.

can’t be better than guys like Garrett without paying ur dues for several years amirite

this is also my most comfortable style in these bigger games (relative to 100/200/400nl 100bb online) as it maximizes all of my strengths and keeps me mentally stimulated at all times (which is a must have for me).


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Old 09-16-2021, 12:09 PM   #2115
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Re: 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey

200/400/800nl

SB is unknown.

MainV (straddle) is mega whale who is VPIP’ing ~100% at the time of the hand. Stuck piles, super splashy. Capable of jamming 2-5x pot w air as well as value. Have seen it several times.

$845E w main V. $805E w SB.

OTTH

Pre-flop: Main V straddles $8 utg. Hero opens $28 LP with A K. SB calls. Straddle overcalls.

Flop ($88): K 9 5. SB checks. Main V donks $29. Hero calls. SB overcalls.

Turn ($175): K 9 5 Q. SB checks. Main V jams $790 relatively quickly.

What are you clicking AP?

this guy/girl is insane and probably has worse for value for this sizing as well as all kindz of bluffs. hard to estimate equity v range w/out good assumptions though.

Also have a player behind.
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Typically raise flop vs this sizing.

As played simple turn fold getting a bad price and not closing action.

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Typically raise flop vs this sizing.

As played simple turn fold getting a bad price and not closing action.
Ty for dropping in!

I f turn, but dunno. v is insane, call may even be printing if we had more clarity on the type of spew v has and if it was HU. But we’re 3 ways etc so doesn’t matter ofc

def not raising flop aggressively enough tho in this kind of spot. Mostly bc I prefer not to re open the action w another player who’s somewhat uncapped~ behind
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Old 09-17-2021, 03:11 AM   #2118
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Re: 1.c4: Chessman begins his poker journey

200nl line check

Main V is a std. reg. No relevant notes.

$220E

OTTH

Pre-flop: V RFI $6 SB. Hero calls BB with A J.

Flop ($12): Q 10 8. V c-bets $4. Hero calls.

Flop ($20): Q 10 8 J. V continues $15. Hero calls.

Flop ($50): Q 10 8 J 3. V triples $37. Hero jams $195E. V folds.

Flop and turn seem straightforward w this combo.

Otr I was thinking that while calling is probably fine in optimal, most regs don’t have nearly enough bluff combos in these wide range spots and are likely overfolding v jam as well w non flushes.

V will also have less flushes than in optimal AP as it seems as most regs auto fold the 105s, K2s stuff pre given high rake environment.

Think I’ve been too passive in these spots read-less once I take into account how often regs are clicking fold- so trying to sprinkle some more spice into my game.

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Old 09-17-2021, 04:37 AM   #2119
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Think I’ve been too passive in these spots read-less once I take into account how often regs are clicking fold- so trying to sprinkle some more spice into my game.

Thoughts?

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Old 09-17-2021, 08:43 AM   #2120
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400nl line check, short-handed

Main V (btn) is good reg

Had a nitty image.

$1360E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero opens $16 with 9 9. V 3b $60 btn. Folds to hero, who calls.

Flop ($126): Q 10 8. Hero checks. V bets $30. Hero calls.

Turn ($186): Q 10 8 7. Hero checks. V checks back.

River ($186): Q 10 8 7 A. Hero probes $150. V folds

I was thinking this is the worst~ pear i arrive to the river w so could potentially do this always w nitty image

think v rarely clicking call or raise w KQ, QJ, K10 here otr at the time of the hand

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Old 09-17-2021, 06:35 PM   #2121
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200/400/800nl line check

Main V (BB) is a super nitty recreational. Really likes tank folding and then showing hands that shouldn’t really be folded in a given spot on all streets, including pre.

other v unknown, probably rec.

Straddle is reg.

main v usually has it when stacking off v me.

$810E~ w main V, hero covers others.

OTTH

Pre-flop: utg straddle $8. other V calls $8 MP. Hero iso LP $40 with K Q. BB cc. Other V overcalls.

Flop ($132): 10 7 5.
Checks to hero, who bets $40. Only main V calls.

Turn ($212): 10 7 5 J. V checks. Hero continues $170. V calls.

River ($552): 10 7 5 J 8. V checks. Hero jams $560.

Thoughts?

I don’t think this player type calling off w 10x, or Jxdd, Jxhh etc
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Old 09-18-2021, 04:51 AM   #2123
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200/400/800nl line check

Main V (BB) is a super nitty recreational. Really likes tank folding and then showing hands that shouldn’t really be folded in a given spot on all streets, including pre.

other v unknown, probably rec.

Straddle is reg.

main v usually has it when stacking off v me.

$810E~ w main V, hero covers others.

OTTH

Pre-flop: utg straddle $8. other V calls $8 MP. Hero iso LP $40 with K Q. BB cc. Other V overcalls.

Flop ($132): 10 7 5.
Checks to hero, who bets $40. Only main V calls.

Turn ($212): 10 7 5 J. V checks. Hero continues $170. V calls.

River ($552): 10 7 5 J 8. V checks. Hero jams $560.

Thoughts?

I don’t think this player type calling off w 10x, or Jxdd, Jxhh etc
v tank f, hero scoops

I suppose this v likely has QQ to click f w too v jam

think this player type often raising sets pure OTT as protecting their calling range isn’t important to them for w/e reason oop

hard to know if our line is printing, looking for more clarity on that
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200nl line check

Main V seems like a whale but is new to the table/hero. No relevant notes, timing tells etc.

$400E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Good reg RFI $5 LJ. Hero 3b SB with A A. Main V cc BB.

Flop ($49): Q 10 6. Hero c-bets $25. V calls.

Flop ($98): Q 10 6 4. Hero continues $88. V calls.

Flop ($274): Q 10 6 4 10. Hero jams $265. V calls.

Thoughts?
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200nl line check

Main V seems like a whale but is new to the table/hero. No relevant notes, timing tells etc.

$400E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Good reg RFI $5 LJ. Hero 3b SB with A A. Main V cc BB.

Flop ($49): Q 10 6. Hero c-bets $25. V calls.

Flop ($98): Q 10 6 4. Hero continues $88. V calls.

Flop ($274): Q 10 6 4 10. Hero jams $265. V calls.

Thoughts?
v calls off kk, hero scoops

I’ve noticed recs cc 3b w JJ-KK, AK region a lot more than I expected (as opposed to cold 4-betting)

KK less so than JJ tho and indiv dependent
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