H1 fold pre, as played fold. tight reg easy fold pre out of position.
H2 fold also just call river dont raise we push LJ out from overcalling and we don't get value from pretty much anything.

fist pump snap both

fold KQs pre bvb 3b?!

The only thing I would regret about these hands is not having more money on the table.

Nah, I'm still a nit, no mixing it up for me. But I do understand what hands would be good to 4bet bluff. If I was playing in tougher games against tougher competition I would employ some more GTO elements in my play but I don't feel it's necessary or the best move. The games I play in have such a low 3bet percentage that 4bet bluffing pre is essentially punting.

But I'm definitely learning by responding and I like the hands you post so thanks and keep 'em coming!

Vs a tight reg oop? Sure. Not gonna be much KJ and worse that we dominate when we call. So best case scenario is we're up against a hand like AJ or JJ or something we have good equity against. If there was no more action I'd be happy to call but out of position we're gonna be in a tough spot to realize our equity when we miss and have reverse implied odds when we do hit. Call me an extreme nit but I'd just fold here and move on.

If we're looking for the GTO solution I'm sure it's a call pre and a call on the river. But I'm a nut peddling nit so I'd fold.

Extreme ***** nit

im hoping seeing these hands/reading my thought process doesn't cost you too many brain cells

ty sir

legit lol'ed.

pleased you found your way in here friend. Don't hesitate to needle me- daily if you want to

It's just a FR vs 6m thing as usual. massive difference.

I think you'd be blown away as to how much 4b bluffing, triple barreling etc you would see in the games Mr. BenaBadBeat plays in for example.

My understanding is that your vision of what that would be like is actually what's taking place in 100nl 6 max games (everywhere) in 2021 if that makes sense. Let alone tougher environments where 10nl is like that too haha.

And it's essential- not just something good regs do because they desperately want to be a sicko or whatever haha

See below

but yeah, happy to hear that. tyty

and I've said this before, but I definitely respect that you keep posting your feedback even with some of the needling--- so keep it coming as well

While I understand where you are coming from--imo you have to keep in mind that even nitty 6m regs are loose compared to FR regs all around sir.

I think your average nitty 6m reg is still 3b around 10% ish BvB vs another reg (as opposed to 15% ish).

V will likely have KJs, KTs, in addition to several other Kx usually that are 3b at some freq that we dominate. Even if they're not mixing in some sophisticated matter-- % wise I think 10 is about what we'll see still from a nitty reg in this config.

just from a pure equity standpoint we're doing quite well with KQs vs a 10% range. Being OOP is not going to be particularly relevant if/when the spot is not close as well.

I wrote up some surprisingly long thoughts but I'll save them for a later date as it was kind of just a tangent as to why it's quite essential that we are extremely loose by FR and live poker standards.

cliffs; rake usually over 10bb/100, games are tough, bots, RTA, collusion, less fun money, lots of regs getting squeezed out, tight is not right, lots of misconceptions about solvers

no, none of us are trying to be robots

yes, this approach is just as much (if not way more so) "playing poker" as looking at a Civil War Vet, sippping his decaf, in the eye and folding the second nuts vs his x/jam otr for 200bbs live

Couple hands

H1

1/2 online. 6m

V is recreational. Meaningless, but their table VPIP is around 40% and PFR is below 20%. Been limping a lot. No showdowns. Everyone else is a reg.

$200E

OTTH

Pre-flop: V limps LJ. Hero iso BTN $9 with 7 7. Blinds fold. V calls.

Flop ($21): 8 7 3. V checks. Hero bets $16. V calls.

Turn ($53): 8 7 3 5. V checks. Hero bets $44. V jams $175 total. Hero calls.

Thoughts?

I was thinking this was straightforward but a friend disagreed.


H2

1/2 online. 6m

Main V’s first hand at the table and is unknown. Only has 50bb. CO is a reg.

$100E.

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero RFI LJ $6 with K 9. CO calls $6. BB over calls.

Flop ($19): K 6 5. Checks around.

Turn ($19): K 6 5 9. BB bets $24. Hero calls. CO folds.

Turn ($67): K 6 5 9 A. V checks.

Hero? V has a PSB left

Let me know what you think. There’s no right/wrong answers

H1 seems trivially standard to me

H2 is a bet I am pretty sure. Not sure about sizing, maybe 1/3 so you can use a smaller size for your bluffs too?

H1: I think you want to cbet small to keep his overcards in the hand. Not too much to worry about or protect against. Bet 1/4 flop or even check.

It's an obvious fist pump call of the jam I'm assuming that's not what you're asking about.

H2: LJ is just UTG at 6max right? Fold K9s pre. Especially with a shortstack BB. As played I think bet tiny here like 1/5 pot to get value and maybe induce a jam. If he had you beat he would bet himself here, he probably has KQ or KJ or something.

I find myself is the awkward situation of agreeing 100% with simple Rick

I gotta go take a shower and brush my teeth again

K9s is a standard open utg at 6max. Not sure why the presence of a likely weak 1/2 stack in the BB is making people advocate for a fold either

H1 I agree with most of Rick said except the check part. You never check this hand. We have SDV hands like AK, 55 or complete air to do this with. Call vs the jam. Curious to know what your friends argument was because folding is ludicrous.

H2, V only has $65 left? Ez shove

@kolotoure2.0 agreed if anything we open wider because of weaker player in blinds

fold KQss bvb 3b
fold K9s utg
pleeeeease

you actually would rather open wider vs a bb short stack given they're more likely to be a rec.

fwiw i'd never ever bet small with 777. big fan of sizing and ap snappedy snap

I'd shove K9 otr but can get behind the tiny bet since their range does seem quite well defined

Ya, I agree with Bena’s takes. 77 is very standard, but good sizings.
K9 I think a smaller sizing is the best option over shoving against a random short stack like this. I think they’re folding almost all their worse combos to a jam even with 1:1 SPR, but calling most of what he actually has in reality to 30-40%. Can’t see him checking better OTR almost ever, so...

=(

<3

I could actually see V nit checking 78 in H2 tbh. That’s the only hand I think we ever lose to.

Agreed about sizing in 777 hand. Think we should be betting less frequently but larger on this class of flop

Unfortunately chessboy will have to end up having to choose between the opinion of one of the longest winning regs in the game.....or simplerick

GL

77 std, why even post this hand

K9 large or small fine

I respect Ben's opinion on poker but felt him dunking on me was unnecessary.

And I know he's better at poker than me but technically I've been a winning reg for longer so that metric doesn't mean very much.

Seemed quite playful and harmless to me.

Thanks a lot guys, I really like the direction the feedback has been taking. I’ve read a lot of the threads I’ve wanted to read by now (see post #1118), but most of the HH comments I see are really results oriented in nature and overall quite unproductive.

Everyone’s a genius when they can see the cards . I’m sure Ben and Rick can relate

This probably has a lot with the OP’s including the results in the spoilers. It got me thinking about why I was even including them after the fact.... (so I’ll probably stop doing that).

I think I’ve struggled to provide value to others the way I wanted to so far itt but this kind of feedback (productive & good) really will do that for everyone who wants to get better

Also happy we’ve largely faded the toxicity that is prevalent in most threads

weird spot. I definitely agree we still want to keep our overall range in mind for sure though

Right, can approach pre-flop, flop, turn all differently and even vs a recreational player we need to think in terms of our range so that’s why H1 was posted.

Preflop, I think we’re just printing vs a l/c range. But we will get 3b aggressively online (even by weaker regs like myself) and it leads to some quite akward spots regardless of what the limpers does.

Will get l/rr with spazz etc.

Flop same idea. I understand your points.

And then turn can approach differently sizing wise as well.

AP, with the chosen sizing- can’t fold of course.

Interesting, I was thinking b/f if we go small in H2. But I agree




right, and I’m mixing as well preflop so lots of “weaker” stuff will find its way in there sometimes depending on all the factors.


See above for H1

ty sir, I enjoy reading your thoughts



happy to hear we’re thinking along the same lines sir

ty sir





*chessman xD

ty sir


you would think so, these spots are tricky!


I jammed H2. Won one, lose the other, will leave you guessing (may surprise you). Liking this idea of no results- the feedback and discussion is orders of magnitude more productive for everyone involved when there is no fear of being “wrong”. Obviously, most of us that take the game seriously understand that they’re largely irrelevant, but when people get their egos attached to the feedback that awareness seems to goes away.

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next post will be a special one!

I saw this thread hit 100K views and I was thinking I should do a recap of some of my favorite moments from the OP until now.

It’s been less than a year since the threads inception, but since 99% of pgc threads do not reach this point, I take pride in the consistency.

this journey is fleeting and I don’t take poker or this for granted at all. Truly treasure all the milestones.

You never know the road that lies between here and 250K (next milestone).

I like to keep an open mind, but i also have full clarity by this point that this is what I WANT to do for a long time.

I imagine I still have played less than 500K hands of poker lifetime (live & online combined) so in the v v early stages. Fortunately none of my thinking here wrt this has ever been based on results so the sample sizes never mattered. IYKYK

Tbh I think this thread as a facilitator of good discussion is already worth something. You have a bunch of people of all levels coming in to discuss and give takes on hands which is worth something in itself. I don't think you need to worry too much at this stage about providing additional value.

I personally just lurk and assume BBB is right about stuff though

I didn't mean to dunk on you, rather saw something i didn't see eye to eye with (such is the nature of reviewing poker hands) and shared my disagreement. It was meant to be harmless, promise!