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01-18-2022 , 04:23 AM
Rameshbabu Praggnanaandhaa


https://ratings.fide.com/profile/25059530
Fourth-youngest GM in history (12 yr, 10 mo, 13 d). Three Time World (Youth) Champion. U8, U10, U18. 16 years old.


Praggnanaandhaa-Nakamura Tata Steel India Blitz
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01-18-2022 , 04:49 AM
2/4 Shorthanded

Main V is a rec who’s buried piles. Stopped topping off. Unpredictable, tilts often, but is somewhat aware overall. Not afraid to put the stack in.

BB $4130~. Hero $3765~. Main V $830~ and is the effective stack.

OTTH

Pre-flop: Main V $12 btn. Hero $55 SB 9 9. Only V calls.

Flop ($114): A 6 5. Hero $34. V calls.

Turn ($182): A 6 5 8. Hero checks. V stabs $120. Hero calls.

River ($422): A 6 5 8 9. Hero checks. V quickly jams $620.

What are you doing here?
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01-18-2022 , 05:52 PM


Tata Steel Chess 2022 Round 4 Commentary:


I personally prefer the first commentary linked as it features the highest level analysis (by far), but for those that are interested and want something more casual to skim through I'll link a few more.

















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01-18-2022 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
2/4 Shorthanded

Main V is a rec who’s buried piles. Stopped topping off. Unpredictable, tilts often, but is somewhat aware overall. Not afraid to put the stack in.

BB $4130~. Hero $3765~. Main V $830~ and is the effective stack.

OTTH

Pre-flop: Main V $12 btn. Hero $55 SB 9 9. Only V calls.

Flop ($114): A 6 5. Hero $34. V calls.

Turn ($182): A 6 5 8. Hero checks. V stabs $120. Hero calls.

River ($422): A 6 5 8 9. Hero checks. V quickly jams $620.

What are you doing here?
I'm calling and if possible to show only one card if I'm losing I just show 1.

Any thoughts on playing some LAPC? Can message me if any interest.
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01-18-2022 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Any thoughts on playing some LAPC? Can message me if any interest.
I am minimally interested in LAPC as I already have two trips scheduled for February and will be grinding cash very heavily amidst and during them.

If you're interested in where my head is at generally, though, I'm happy to share here.

Firing tourneys at all is pretty unappealing to me at this stage, as the opportunity cost is so incredibly high. Even the life/happiness EV is easily higher for me grinding cash as I'm still climbing.

For WSOP, I'm itching to grind 80-100+/hrs a week throughout the series (cutting out the off the felt work) this year, so I should have lots of flexibility/availability to grind whatever during that period, though.

I will also pay closer attention to all of the deep-stack events run at other casinos once schedules are released shortly. Firing those could be printing more than large WSOP events where the EV is significantly harder to realize.

I think a triple-digit hourly is sustainable throughout the series playing cash with the games I'll be grinding, so I would need to sell at a healthy bit of markup (coinciding with my edge) to avoid hemorrhaging EV.

And selling at the requisite markup to make it worthwhile doesn't align with my value system, given zero live tournament results, so it would just be about minimizing the EV lost, which isn't appealing.




TLDR; we'll be in touch, and I'll keep an open mind to it! I'm mainly only interested in working with friends anyway, and I'm happy to take the time to work something out that's favorable for the other side, with certain people.

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01-18-2022 , 09:45 PM
Thanks, totally understand the opp cost aspect of it which I agree with. Just thought I'd toss it out there.
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01-19-2022 , 03:08 AM
for sure. glad you did
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01-19-2022 , 04:55 AM
Tata Steel Chess 2022


Round 1-4 Recap




Carlsen- Van Foreest Round 4 Analysis











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01-19-2022 , 05:32 AM
Tata Steel Chess 2022 Standings through four rounds:


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01-19-2022 , 07:37 AM
It is my contention that low 2700s can be just as good as the world elite but don't always get the opportunity to play against them in the major events (as they are not oft invited!).
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01-19-2022 , 04:27 PM
is this the chess equivalent of moving up to where they respect your raises?
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01-19-2022 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
It is my contention that low 2700s can be just as good as the world elite but don't always get the opportunity to play against them in the major events (as they are not oft invited!).
Relatively uninformed re high-level chess here, but I tend to think that when 2700s are "hot" they can definitely put up very high-level performances, but they don't have the consistency over time when it comes to competing against 2750+ players. From what I've seen, many of the top super gms are near top of standings every event, meanwhile most "weaker" super gms have middling performances and occasionally are in good form and can sneak in some solid results.
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01-19-2022 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
is this the chess equivalent of moving up to where they respect your raises?
Depends on what you mean, but would say this happens at the master level which is several tiers below the level that these gentlemen play at.

Unlike poker, a very high percentage of the guys mixing it up on the top boards of any of the tournaments featured in the thread have dedicated their entire lives to chess in some capacity from a young age.

This lends itself to many differences between the worlds elite in both games.

If you scroll through the player profiles posted in the thread you’ll notice just how accomplished everyone is (even the guys that casual viewers have never heard of).

Just as a random example, Anton Smirnov (Australia’s #1 chess player) is currently ranked “only” 228 in the world.


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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
It is my contention that low 2700s can be just as good as the world elite but don't always get the opportunity to play against them in the major events (as they are not oft invited!).
Yeah, for sure. It’s one reason I really enjoy open tournaments or stuff like the Olympiad/World Cup.

It’s worth noting that this is one of the best times ever to be a 2600/2700. So much sponsorship money etc flowing in and I think that will lend itself to most of those guys getting the recognition, opportunities, money etc that they deserve.


Also, there’s far more incentive for those guys to stick with chess rather than transition into something more lucrative which is also great for the game. I suppose this is mainly relevant for juniors.

What do you think about Magnus shooting for 2900? Odds he gets it done before he retires?


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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
Relatively uninformed re high-level chess here, but I tend to think that when 2700s are "hot" they can definitely put up very high-level performances, but they don't have the consistency over time when it comes to competing against 2750+ players. From what I've seen, many of the top super gms are near top of standings every event, meanwhile most "weaker" super gms have middling performances and occasionally are in good form and can sneak in some solid results.
This is a good point. It’s not a perfect analogy but I think the chess top 100 can be compared to other individual sports like golf/tennis top 100 where similar logic applies. This is even true for individuals that participate in team sports imo.

One key difference is that there’s far less life variance/variance that can get in the way of chess progression (like injuries or lack of funds) that lends itself to the guys you’re talking about being so insanely good (even if far weaker compared to Carlsen).

There are only 38 guys rated 2700+ in the world currently.

It’s not until you get to well outside the top 100 where there is true separation in terms of quality of play. Performances in general are heavily dependent on quality of competition/wins etc so it’s tough to read too much into it.

On a similar note, Nodirbek (winner of the World Rapid last year) would likely not win that tournament again if it repeated 100 times regardless of his level of play. Most of the time Carlsen/Nepo/Caruana/Hikaru/Duda/Alireza etc would win.

So while it is an outlier performance, for it to even be possible shows how many GMs there are capable of competing against the worlds elite (especially in shorter time controls).

Rating is fairly reliable in a vacuum

Last edited by RoadtoPro; 01-19-2022 at 07:42 PM.
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01-19-2022 , 08:20 PM
Yeah, it's definitely true that weaker GMs can be competitive with the best players in the world when they're playing their best -- they do have the capability to score wins or at least get advantageous positions and press, especially with the white pieces.

As a spectator I am a huge advocate for rapid chess. I think some form of rapid control is a very ideal balance allowing for a bit of variance, high level play + calculation in the important moments, and a general good pace of play as a spectator (regular moves but still enough time for commentators to break down ideas).

Blitz can be exciting, but as a weak (1400ish?) chess player I am obviously not capable of understanding what's going on and the pace gets fast enough that commentators can't break down the key ideas. Bullet is nearly unwatchable in any meaningful sense from a strategic perspective. And with classical, it's great that top-level classical competition exists, but from a spectator perspective it's just slow - very hard to devote 3-6 hours to watching a single game of chess, and the games will have long breaks in play when the players go deep into the tank.

Tldr I am a huge fan of rapid chess coming more to the forefront recently/in covid times, especially with many of the online events that have been run. Rapid is my favorite form of chess by a mile both to play and watch tbh.
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01-19-2022 , 08:31 PM
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What do you think about Magnus shooting for 2900? Odds he gets it done before he retires?
Considering how hard it is for him to actually gain points I'd say he's a legitimate dog to get there.
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01-19-2022 , 09:05 PM
How does that work when you're the top dog?

You still get some amount of points every time you beat someone lower rated than you?

Is the quality of the win somehow factored into how many points you get?
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01-19-2022 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
How does that work when you're the top dog?

You still get some amount of points every time you beat someone lower rated than you?

Is the quality of the win somehow factored into how many points you get?
No, quality is irrelevant. You get a differing amount of points dependent on the elo gap between players.
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01-20-2022 , 12:16 AM
im 1000 top eva wuzz 1080 or sumthin i play cuzz QUEEN GAMBIT i saw
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01-20-2022 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Elizabeth5579
im 1000 top eva wuzz 1080 or sumthin i play cuzz QUEEN GAMBIT i saw


obligatory trailer post anytime someone mentions queens gambit in here




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01-20-2022 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
Yeah, it's definitely true that weaker GMs can be competitive with the best players in the world when they're playing their best -- they do have the capability to score wins or at least get advantageous positions and press, especially with the white pieces.
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
Blitz can be exciting, but as a weak (1400ish?) chess player I am obviously not capable of understanding what's going on and the pace gets fast enough that commentators can't break down the key ideas. Bullet is nearly unwatchable in any meaningful sense from a strategic perspective.



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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
As a spectator I am a huge advocate for rapid chess. I think some form of rapid control is a very ideal balance allowing for a bit of variance, high level play + calculation in the important moments, and a general good pace of play as a spectator (regular moves but still enough time for commentators to break down ideas).
Big fan of all the high-level rapid/blitz chess showcased online recently as well. While it’s always been around, it’s increased by several orders of magnitude.

Live is a different story for many reasons, in practice. Logistically speaking, organizing and running tournaments is incredibly difficult for many reasons. Chess is a worldwide sport.

Playing games that don’t move the needle wrt classical rating is unappealing to the participants who only play x number of tournaments annually and are pushing for certain milestones.


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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Considering how hard it is for him to actually gain points I'd say he's a legitimate dog to get there.
For sure


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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
How does that work when you're the top dog?

You still get some amount of points every time you beat someone lower rated than you?
Yes, if Magnus (2863) beats Fabi (2788), he gains 4 points. The issue for him is that the expected result is (by far) a draw (regardless of color), and he loses point(s) every time he draws anyone.

Nobody has ever eclipsed 2900, even Kasparov, who was world #1 for 255 months (21~ years), most of which were consecutive. Kasparov’s peak rating was 2851.



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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Is the quality of the win somehow factored into how many points you get?
No, all of the games where he equalizes quickly with Black and is pressing but draws a near perfectly played game still cost him point(s).


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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
No, quality is irrelevant. You get a differing amount of points dependent on the elo gap between players.


I want to add that the development coefficient (Kval) is also the lowest for GMs, making it up to four times more challenging for them to gain (and lose) rating points.

This nuance contributes to GMs gaining so few points with wins.
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01-20-2022 , 05:04 AM
I just realized I never posted 2022 goals? Running the 4 year goals from last year back

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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Poker Goals by 25
[ ] Play 5/10+ exclusively, when playing live
[ ] Reg HSNL online on any site profitably
[ ] Play in a high stakes game on LATB
[ ] Play in the WSOP Main Event
[ ] Play poker in FL, MD, MA, NJ, NorCal
[ ] Still be updating this thread regularly
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Life Goals by 25
[ ] Have my career trajectory at least match, if not exceed, the avg of my friends with careers in STEM, finance, etc. at that time
[ ] Be in a serious relationship
[ ] Be useful and help contribute to society. Through chess or otherwise. Do more than the bare minimum.
[ ] Be the best son, friend, and brother I can be.
[ ] Be able to dunk a basketball
[ ] Move out (again)
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01-20-2022 , 06:14 AM
Are you 21 now? And does the online HS goal apply to non US facing sites too?

Gl RTP, you seem to have a rare work ethic/maturity so I've no doubt you'll crush 2022.
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01-20-2022 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
I just realized I never posted 2022 goals?
I feel that the poker goals will be reached/surpassed in no time, but the life goals will take more time, me thinks... Especially the be in a serious relationship one (hard to sneak a partner into your present schedule, isn't it?), be able to dunk a basketball (not sure how tall you are, but darn, I could dunk on an official bball net ), although I have no doubts that you are fullfilling (and more) the be the best son, friend, and brother I can be

Peace bro
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01-20-2022 , 05:06 PM
You should film the basketball bit. Also would be fun to get prop bet action for it.
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01-20-2022 , 05:34 PM
rtp - can coach u up on teh vertical. I could still dunk @49, 52" box jump @ 52 yo with a few inches to give. Im 6'0" and have done extensive plyo training during my athletic years.
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