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Originally Posted by rickroll
is this the chess equivalent of moving up to where they respect your raises?
Depends on what you mean, but would say this happens at the master level which is several tiers below the level that these gentlemen play at.
Unlike poker, a very high percentage of the guys mixing it up on the top boards of any of the tournaments featured in the thread have dedicated their entire lives to chess in some capacity from a young age.
This lends itself to many differences between the worlds elite in both games.
If you scroll through the player profiles posted in the thread you’ll notice just how accomplished everyone is (even the guys that casual viewers have never heard of).
Just as a random example, Anton Smirnov (Australia’s #1 chess player) is currently ranked “only” 228 in the world.
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
It is my contention that low 2700s can be just as good as the world elite but don't always get the opportunity to play against them in the major events (as they are not oft invited!).
Yeah, for sure. It’s one reason I really enjoy open tournaments or stuff like the Olympiad/World Cup.
It’s worth noting that this is one of the best times ever to be a 2600/2700. So much sponsorship money etc flowing in and I think that will lend itself to most of those guys getting the recognition, opportunities, money etc that they deserve.
Also, there’s far more incentive for those guys to stick with chess rather than transition into something more lucrative which is also great for the game. I suppose this is mainly relevant for juniors.
What do you think about Magnus shooting for 2900? Odds he gets it done before he retires?
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
Relatively uninformed re high-level chess here, but I tend to think that when 2700s are "hot" they can definitely put up very high-level performances, but they don't have the consistency over time when it comes to competing against 2750+ players. From what I've seen, many of the top super gms are near top of standings every event, meanwhile most "weaker" super gms have middling performances and occasionally are in good form and can sneak in some solid results.
This is a good point. It’s not a perfect analogy but I think the chess top 100 can be compared to other individual sports like golf/tennis top 100 where similar logic applies. This is even true for individuals that participate in team sports imo.
One key difference is that there’s far less life variance/variance that can get in the way of chess progression (like injuries or lack of funds) that lends itself to the guys you’re talking about being so insanely good (even if far weaker compared to Carlsen).
There are only 38 guys rated 2700+ in the world currently.
It’s not until you get to well outside the top 100 where there is true separation in terms of quality of play. Performances in general are heavily dependent on quality of competition/wins etc so it’s tough to read too much into it.
On a similar note, Nodirbek (winner of the World Rapid last year) would likely not win that tournament again if it repeated 100 times regardless of his level of play. Most of the time Carlsen/Nepo/Caruana/Hikaru/Duda/Alireza etc would win.
So while it is an outlier performance, for it to even be possible shows how many GMs there are capable of competing against the worlds elite (especially in shorter time controls).
Rating is fairly reliable in a vacuum
Last edited by RoadtoPro; 01-19-2022 at 07:42 PM.