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01-06-2022 , 06:11 PM
Have another AQ hand:

Blinds: 2/4

Main V is aware recreational. Super aggro, extremely tough to play against. Solid mental. Comfortable at any stack depth/dollar amount.

Views me as tight/solid, always needling me in the chat.

$1470E~

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero $16 MP with A Q. V 3b $80 next to act. Passive whale cc $80 SB. Hero $300. Only Main V calls.

Flop ($684): A J 6. Hero checks. V bets $500.

I had a plan, usually unsure if it makes sense to share it until afterwards.

What are you doing here?
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01-06-2022 , 06:12 PM
Just as I suspected. I mean that was obviously his most likely holding.
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01-06-2022 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Just as I suspected. I mean that was obviously his most likely holding.
Yeah, it’s always tough when you get shown one combo.

It makes you feel like there’s this potential for them to only have nuts in that spot. Which honestly if this hand took place in the 5/10 Bellagio streets I’d probably let this one go.

I do think V will be wider than this for value (AA, QTs, TTs) which isn’t great for us. There’s more combos of everything else but I do agree QQs is the most likely one.

But yeah ran it by a few other people I respect who play higher and they all said call so what do I know.

Ty for the discussion! Makes posting these dumb hands less annoying
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01-06-2022 , 08:11 PM
First AQ hand I find it hard to believe people are jamming QTs for value in that spot given we can have AA and even a crafty A4s. It could be that there's some weird stuff in equilibrium where we're supposed to bet/fold AA and bet/call AQ so QT gets to play some super wack jam (?????) but I'm skeptical to say the least.

I would probably sighcall if I thought villain was capable (or punty ) and fold vs nits. Blockers seem good and in these 3bp spots I think we're getting run over by capable regs if we're always folding this kind of hand, especially given everyone basically pure bets 44, 22, maybe even TT ott (or at least I would!). Hard to think of many better candidates imo.

If you want to get really technical about it, I suspect Ah is also the right suit to have here as well. Vs good regs capable of finding bluffs in all the spots, sometimes we just gotta click call with good bluffcatchers and lose I think. Sucks but is what it is. Luckily not too many villains can actually play like that

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Hand 2 I have no idea what's going on, vs villain capable of being very aggro I am tempted to say we can flat this one and basically call off almost every turn? I don't think fold is plausible but I don't really see merit to jamming our hand.
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01-06-2022 , 08:21 PM
hand 2 effective stacks were 1470, -300 pre = 1170 so it's a pretty easy minclick to get it in and being happy if he folds out his air

vs a top 20% range you have about 72% equity here

if we give a bit more credit of a 10% range you have 62% equity, even something dominated like like AT has 11% equity vs you and another 4% tie

even total air like QT is 18%, 9T is 6%

you're never folding vs the whale so may as well get it in and hope he doesn't have JJ/AJ/AA/AK
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01-06-2022 , 08:55 PM
Why are we excited to fold out air when we can jam turn ip vs check?

Edit: oh sorry I mixed the positions up, yeah probably jamming against that size given we are oop. I don't really think we get to fold but we don't want him to play perfectly vs us ott. V would need to be quite aggro to prefer call flop call turn I think.
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01-06-2022 , 09:20 PM
yeah if ip i'm happy to call and let him take another stab and if he checks then commit the 1/3 psb on turn

but oop he could check back turn and see equity letting something like JT freeroll to outdraw you and then fold exploitively when you jam on river if he doesn't improve

KQo with a spade is folding 100% here but actually has 20% equity
KQo no spade 16%
JTo no spade 18%
JTo spade = 23%
99 no spade = 9%
99 spade = 13%

i think it would be insane to give those hands turn+river freeroll when you have a 1/3 psb remaining oop if you call on flop
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01-07-2022 , 12:07 AM
Wow it's so good to see how successful you are at poker man. You really transitioned from chess to poker with ease.

I'm also jealous at how much positivity there is in your thread. You seem to have zero haters and no one doubts your ability to succeed at this game.

Your posts are interesting, have the perfect amount of detail, and are formatted very well.

My goal is to reach your level and try to make my thread like yours.

Best of luck in the future man! I hope you continue crushing this game and crushing life hard.

Regarding post #2759 shower thoughts: I think if I made $50/hr, I'd flip half of a $10k roll with 70% equity, half of a $100k roll with 80% equity, and half of a $1m roll with 90% equity.
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01-07-2022 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
yeah if ip i'm happy to call and let him take another stab and if he checks then commit the 1/3 psb on turn

but oop he could check back turn and see equity letting something like JT freeroll to outdraw you and then fold exploitively when you jam on river if he doesn't improve
Yeah I agree with this for sure, for some reason I had the positions switched when I initially replied and thought hero was ip. Tldr reading is too hard

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I'm also jealous at how much positivity there is in your thread. You seem to have zero haters and no one doubts your ability to succeed at this game.
There were quite a few haters in the beginning, but op has proven he can put in the work and discusses hands to a nice level of strategic detail.

Also, not sure there have been any degenerate punts (ex. drunk baccarat with whole liferoll, tilt jamming 42s, imagining fake rivals at the table - note how this op talks about other regs vs. how you do it) or major financial degeneracy stories.

RtP walks the walk and that has silenced the haters. For the most part 6b, sorry to say, you have only been the type of guy who talks the talk but doesn't really back it up with consistently responsible, professional, hardworking actions.

And I think this attitude and effort from RtP has gone a long way towards silencing initial haters and garnering a good deal of respect from the community. Perhaps something for you (and all of us, really, me too ) to reflect on and learn from.
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01-07-2022 , 08:47 PM
^will circle back to the strat posts later but just thought I’d say tyvm gentlemen!

much appreciated
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01-08-2022 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Have another AQ hand:

Blinds: 2/4

Main V is aware recreational. Super aggro, extremely tough to play against. Solid mental. Comfortable at any stack depth/dollar amount.

Views me as tight/solid, always needling me in the chat.

$1470E~

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero $16 MP with A Q. V 3b $80 next to act. Passive whale cc $80 SB. Hero $300. Only Main V calls.

Flop ($684): A J 6. Hero checks. V bets $500.

I had a plan, usually unsure if it makes sense to share it until afterwards.

What are you doing here?

Hero x/jams $1168. V calls 7 6 and scoops on 8 4 runout.

I actually think jamming is a mistake, even OOP, as our hand doesn’t need much protection vs V’s bluffs which are drawing slim.

I would just bet spades myself mostly and even recs can deduce this so my x/jam looks pretty strong given 4-bet pot & A high board.

Spades are calling anyways in V’s shoes l, but if V is running it with l 6 5 , 8 8 , K 10 or something I’m inclined to think he has a fold button vs jam.

where as he would reasonably jam every turn most likely when x to

tldr; jamming doesn’t accomplish too much, I am inclined to jam more vs this size and player type though
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01-08-2022 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Wow it's so good to see how successful you are at poker man. You really transitioned from chess to poker with ease.

I'm also jealous at how much positivity there is in your thread. You seem to have zero haters and no one doubts your ability to succeed at this game.

Your posts are interesting, have the perfect amount of detail, and are formatted very well.

My goal is to reach your level and try to make my thread like yours.


humble up
quit pissing your $ away in the pits
stop spewing
treat you bankroll with the with respect it deserves
work on your game

the haters will have no ammo if you can do those simple things
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01-08-2022 , 01:54 PM
AQ Part 3

Main V is quite nitty when all the money goes in but very wealthy and not generally afraid to put chips in the pot especially on earlier streets. Capable of bluffing AK type of stuff.

Stuck several k, could be tilting.

SB massive whale.

SB and I are $4300E

$1200E~ w Main V

OTTH

Pre-flop: CO straddles $8. Hero $36 btn with A Q. SB calls. BB 3b $116. Hero calls. SB overcalls.

Flop ($356): Q 7 7. SB checks. BB $125. Hero calls. SB folds.

Turn ($606): Q 7 7 6. V continues $303. Hero calls.

River ($1212): Q 7 7 6 2. V jams $655.

What are you doing here? lots of things to consider, wasn't sure in game

value wise dunno if V has KQ, AQ maybe. V being stuck a healthy amount usually influences things though

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01-08-2022 , 03:37 PM
On paper I don't think you can do anything differently than call down.

But there is something to be said for bb 3 balling into 2 people(when he could just call a lot)and 3 streeting it. KK does seem like the highest frequency hand that shows up here.

I'm just going to laugh if you called and he shows up with some type of 7 or QQ again though.
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01-08-2022 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
On paper I don't think you can do anything differently than call down.

But there is something to be said for bb 3 balling into 2 people(when he could just call a lot)and 3 streeting it. KK does seem like the highest frequency hand that shows up here.

I'm just going to laugh if you called and he shows up with some type of 7 or QQ again though.


ty for sharing your thoughts.

feelsbadman- all it takes is a few of these spots (especially the super super deep ones) to get stuck/downswing piles and piles.

pretty mandatory edges to push for the most part though imo

i actually folded here so who knows lol

thoughts welcome
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01-08-2022 , 05:11 PM
you would have to pry that AQdd from my dead hands. facing that sizing sheme being too high up, blocking so much value AA QQ pushing with AQ which is a value triple also, unblocking broadway K / J high 3 barrel bluffs, 3:1 odds on river.

I don't know what you iso pre, if you are opening suited connectors, you will have some 7x here, but if you pure 4bet QQ+, this is near top of range minus 66 / 77

edit : just saw this was a straddle, so presumably you have 67/78 sometimes, no sure how wide you open over straddle or are meant to. still very high up regardless
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01-08-2022 , 05:27 PM
Yeah I could see someone value jamming worse (KQ), we never have KK and not much AA so think I'd just be getting stack in there. Hard to see folding.
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01-08-2022 , 05:37 PM
i think it's a nitty fold but understandable, BB 3! is pretty nutted after sb flats and then continuation range also pretty strong

like the others, i'm not sure if i could find a fold but wouldn't be surprised at all to see villian flip over QQ+
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01-08-2022 , 07:23 PM
so we're folding 88,99,TT,JJ,QJo,QJs,QTs,KQo,KQs... and then also throwing in AQ? we have to have a calling range, I'd have to have a really strong read that V is incapable of bluffing here or ever having KQ
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01-08-2022 , 08:25 PM
v's line only makes sense with something like AA/KK

but it makes a lot of sense for it to be AA/KK
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01-08-2022 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
v's line only makes sense with something like AA/KK

but it makes a lot of sense for it to be AA/KK
Yes, it's true that we lose to some value hands and our AQ is mainly functioning as a bluffcatcher (though I wouldn't be too shocked to see villain have AQ in particular and maybe KQ sometimes as well).

That doesn't mean we can fold our entire range.
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01-08-2022 , 11:29 PM
ty everyone for sharing your thoughts!

we kicked off the week/year on a 10k+ downer. not uncharted territory but with lots of impending travel feel a bit of pressure to not spiral downwards.

I typically feel obligated to answer thoughtfully to every comment as I really appreciate all of them and that's my way of showing it but going to keep the focus on posting the hands for now.

will answer any questions i see though
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01-08-2022 , 11:44 PM
if anyone cares V said we made a good fold- dunno what V had or if he was telling the truth
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01-09-2022 , 12:26 AM
some thoughts on the hand:

a key factor in folding was that V cb 3 ways on a rainbow board w no draws in a 3bp.

my main concern here would be V’s stuckness (rather than how high up we are) but V had just been running bad so it’s tough to know how much him getting crushed affects his play. Kind of the beauty of these reviews honestly. lots of room for creativity and dissenting views.

as for top of range etc- we have plenty of better hands (although would still agree we’re fairly high up as mentioned).

Not sure why the ranges mentioned are so narrow!

It’s a private game super deep with whales where I’m expected to give action. I’ll be opening super wide as well as defending extremely wide $4300 deep and IP with mega whale SB who will always be coming along pre and giving up a massive edge post .

will have 76s, 78s, A7s etc otr pure and likely 75s, 79s as well.

still have no idea if the fold is good/bad V’s comment aside though.

appreciate the discussion!

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01-09-2022 , 12:48 AM
Main V is a huge whale. Fairly passive post, but VPIP’ing everything pre pretty much.

$1644E

OTTH

Pre-flop: Hero $12 btn with A 6. Main V $30 SB. Hero calls.

Flop ($72): Q J 9. V checks. Hero $36. V calls.

Turn ($144): Q J 9 3. V checks. Hero $115. V calls.

River ($374): Q J 9 3 8. V donks $280 after a little.

Hero? $1464E heading into the river
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