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Originally Posted by rickroll
Except I think some wires got crossed here.
It's a bit silly to compute bb/100 live as opposed to bb/hour. 9bb/hour is very achievable in a live setting at 5/10 and that's a major difference in earnings.
Not vouching for current state of the games nor OP's true winrate but a solid 5/10 player is by no means capped at $30 an hour and all the discussion of rake back just screams unfamiliarity with the subject. Also rakeback does exist in live play, it's just far less accessible.
Why is it silly? It’s the exact same thing, except I’m measuring it by hands rather than by hour. When I played live I heard the same type of ghost stories about guys making $120/hr playing 5/10 but never saw it. Of course there were stretches where I made crazy hourlies, but those are due to variance man.
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Originally Posted by Duncelanas
Your posts itt have been good so far and I agree strongly with your post against jumping around formats while being clueless in all of them, but live winrates can easily be 25-30bb/100 (AFTER RAKE)... 7-10bb/hr is considered a strong winrate in a live game. 5/T gets slightly tougher, but good 5/T live regs should be making at least $60-70/hr if not more with $40+/hr being achievable at good live 500. Not that $40/hr provides an insane living, but becoming a strong winner at live 500 is (from a technical standpoint) much easier than becoming a winner at 200z online.
Lots of guys don't realize how insane winrates are live in terms of bb/100.
Thanks guys, I appreciate both of your posts, but it’s absolutely lol to suggest you can make 25-30 bb/100 in a 5/10 live game anywhere over a reasonable sample. Where are you getting this information? Do you have personal experience or know someone with these results, long term??
The mistake that both of you are making, i hope, is due to sample size. Since it takes over a year working 40 hours/week to get even 100k hands (still not a super meaningful sample, but an ok one), you may be misinformed about what is possible due to a short stretch of running really good.
I definitely believe that it’s possible to beat a soft game (especially if you can buy in deep) for more that 10bb/100, but sorry, 25-30bb/100 is not possible except in the short term.
I believe this type of widespread misinformation is part of the reason why so many people try to hack it as live poker pros and then get discouraged, because they had the wrong idea of what was possible in the first place. A pretty good measure of this is to see how many 5/10 grinders are still around in a room after years of it. Hardly anyone does it long term.
Anyways I will not post again about this, dont want to derail the thread. Good luck OP, be realistic and hardworking about your goals and you’ll get there. If there is one thing I can say it’s that hard work always pays off, especially in poker, and you seem to be willing to do that.