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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
Inky, I don't know much about PLO4, but purrfect rundowns (especially T-high and better) have some of the best equity aside from AA in PLO5. I've run some equity sims in ppt and we're looking at 46%+ against an AA-heavy range. I am just never folding this hand against Mr. Jay given how horrifically he plays post-flop and my positional advantage, and knowing he has AA like 110% of the time when he makes it $700. While against a tougher opponent I would not be as willing to gamble, against him I very much am.
PLO5:
Hand | Pot equity | Wins | Ties |
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AA | 53.60% | 318,248 | 6,653 |
T9876 | 46.40% | 275,099 | 6,653 |
PLO4:
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
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Hand | Pot equity | Wins | Ties |
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AA | 59.13% | 353,764 | 2,091 |
T987 | 40.87% | 244,145 | 2,091 |
And as to folding pre with KJ988: I totally get where you are coming from, and against a pool of decent regs, I agree, but as I said, this game was special and so I was trying to get involved with anything remotely playable. In tougher line-ups I would 100% fold this though. I think I have enough post-flop awareness to get away from set-over-set scenarios, which is why I checked and evaluated this time before GII. If I am playing this, it should probably be for a raise though, I agree.
I think in a game like 5C PLO, hands in general are going to have close raw equity, and that's not what matters. What matters is whether you have hands that can value bet/raise/get it in, and on multiple streets.
Also comparing it to AA is not good either, since AA is.... not that good in 5C.
Like to begin with AA has 59% equity against like a 90% range. Having 46.5% isn't like... much better than 41% you know?
T987ds is a WAY stronger hand in comparison.
In both comparisons vs AA, we have a 5% gain compared to a 90% range, BUT T987ds is going to have a value bettable hand or can get it in with a big equity advantage postflop way more in 4 card than 5 cards. Our suits are much more likely covered and we can barely bluff catch in 5 card comparatively, and when we do get it in, we're much more rarely getting in vs two pair or worse, because everyone know straights are easy to have (this is where having high equity matters less because you won't get paid as much when you have straights) and also you're far more likely to be covered by the stronger AA that play fast (in 5 card you flat or even fold AA far more often), like AA876 etc.
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My 46% equity is my all in equity if we GII pre and my flop equity is considerably lower.
Ah I only just read this. Well I explained it for nothing maybe, but I hope it expands on it.
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I do have 40% against AA otf though, assuming the jams all his AAs.
Yeah, certainly there are lots of situations where we can still get it in okay, but basically when you look at all the downsides and upsides it adds together a picture where you get it in okay or slight edge, or sorta deadish, when on flop and high spr. That's why limping it in particular is not great (or limp calling and ending up at a reasonably high spr.
The thing is, Mr Jay may be loose and not selective with hands so maybe the flop is whatever, but our hand itself is going to end up in pots with more reasonable players where we're in a lot of pain even if we get two pair or pair and straight draw and such, especially multiway with money behind.