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10-09-2019 , 11:26 AM
Which dealer was showing favoritism? Was it the older black gentleman helping out his fellow brothers? Are you gonna start boycotting him by sitting out every time he’s dealing? I would stop tipping him and watch him like a hawk. He needs to know what he did was not cool at all
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10-09-2019 , 11:32 AM
now if you dont tip him people will think you are racist.
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10-09-2019 , 12:37 PM
It’s not racist cuz he can keep tipping the other black dealers and being friendly with the black players and staff. The guilty black dealer will know exactly why he get stuffed and if anyone asks dumbo can let them know why
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10-09-2019 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JosephRellort
It’s not racist cuz he can keep tipping the other black dealers and being friendly with the black players and staff. The guilty black dealer will know exactly why he get stuffed and if anyone asks dumbo can let them know why
That’s true but it would be perceived as racist by some either way.
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10-09-2019 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
So I made $105 off a comped meal, but nothing else off of him. That's pretty much it. Up $400.
Don't you feel kind of scummy selling a comped meal to someone for $105? Why not get some good karma points and offer to split the meal with the dude for free or something? A little kindness goes a long way especially with a drunk action player. You should have figured out by now that when these players like you they are more willing to give you loose action. He obviously doesn't care about the money so he might just giftwrap his whole stack to you at the end of the night because you were nice to him. He certainly wouldn't feel that way after making him pay $100 for your meal and that's probably why he didn't give you any action at the poker table. Don't underestimate these people, they are not as stupid as you might think. It's always a good idea to be in everyone's good graces.

Do not stop tipping a dealer over some minor indiscretion, it will reflect poorly on you. Let it go man. Be the bigger person, just laugh it off. Who cares. Your life will be better with that kind of attitude, trust me.
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10-09-2019 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Don't you feel kind of scummy selling a comped meal to someone for $105? Why not get some good karma points and offer to split the meal with the dude for free or something? A little kindness goes a long way especially with a drunk action player. You should have figured out by now that when these players like you they are more willing to give you loose action. He obviously doesn't care about the money so he might just giftwrap his whole stack to you at the end of the night because you were nice to him. He certainly wouldn't feel that way after making him pay $100 for your meal and that's probably why he didn't give you any action at the poker table. Don't underestimate these people, they are not as stupid as you might think. It's always a good idea to be in everyone's good graces.

Do not stop tipping a dealer over some minor indiscretion, it will reflect poorly on you. Let it go man. Be the bigger person, just laugh it off. Who cares. Your life will be better with that kind of attitude, trust me.
Dumbo said he was leaving for the night anyway so he wasn’t benefiting anymore from the action player’s action anymore. Might as well take the $105. If someone is willing to pay that much for it, your doing them a favor by selling it to them. Besides, some people feel a sense of power buying something off someone that they didn’t want to sell. I used to see this guy always offer $50, $100 to buy the hat off someone’s head because it makes him feel boss. The action player was probably feeling the same, he owned dumbo with his money and took his meal away.

As for tipping, it won’t reflect poorly as long as you keep tipping everyone else. Why should you reward a scumbag? When you tip everyone else but the scumbag, the scumbag will know it’s cause he’s a scumbag and it gives you an opportunity to let others know why you aren’t tipping the scumbag. What that dealer did wasn’t a minor discretion, he is attempting to help out another player at dumbos expense. He deserves $0 tip and a write up.
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10-09-2019 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JosephRellort
Which dealer was showing favoritism? Was it the older black gentleman helping out his fellow brothers? Are you gonna start boycotting him by sitting out every time he’s dealing? I would stop tipping him and watch him like a hawk. He needs to know what he did was not cool at all
I don't want to single out anyone since the last time I named names here I got flamed, but it was not racial bias. The dealer and player were different races.
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10-09-2019 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Don't you feel kind of scummy selling a comped meal to someone for $105? Why not get some good karma points and offer to split the meal with the dude for free or something? A little kindness goes a long way especially with a drunk action player. You should have figured out by now that when these players like you they are more willing to give you loose action. He obviously doesn't care about the money so he might just giftwrap his whole stack to you at the end of the night because you were nice to him. He certainly wouldn't feel that way after making him pay $100 for your meal and that's probably why he didn't give you any action at the poker table. Don't underestimate these people, they are not as stupid as you might think. It's always a good idea to be in everyone's good graces.

Do not stop tipping a dealer over some minor indiscretion, it will reflect poorly on you. Let it go man. Be the bigger person, just laugh it off. Who cares. Your life will be better with that kind of attitude, trust me.
I don't feel scummy at all; in fact, I really didn't want to give up my meal and only did it after pressured to by the other regs who wanted to keep their customer happy. And yes, I do believe he didn't care about the money (he was up around $4k at 2/5) and simply wanted to flex his money muscles a little for the table. I never offered to sell it to him, he offered the $100 to me. I don't think he resented me for it, either. When I left, he helped me color up and asked me my name and we shook hands. At one point he even apologized for taking my meal from me when other people said there was nowhere else to eat this time of night.

And bottom line is, I went hungry for the rest of the session. I think someone should have to pay for that sacrifice. Fair deal in my eyes.

And as far as "drunk" goes, I wouldn't say he was wasted, he was not slurring his speech or walking unsteady or anything like that, but he had been drinking - according to him.

Last edited by DumbosTrunk; 10-09-2019 at 04:56 PM.
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10-09-2019 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JosephRellort
Dumbo said he was leaving for the night anyway so he wasn’t benefiting anymore from the action player’s action anymore. Might as well take the $105. If someone is willing to pay that much for it, your doing them a favor by selling it to them. Besides, some people feel a sense of power buying something off someone that they didn’t want to sell. I used to see this guy always offer $50, $100 to buy the hat off someone’s head because it makes him feel boss. The action player was probably feeling the same, he owned dumbo with his money and took his meal away.

As for tipping, it won’t reflect poorly as long as you keep tipping everyone else. Why should you reward a scumbag? When you tip everyone else but the scumbag, the scumbag will know it’s cause he’s a scumbag and it gives you an opportunity to let others know why you aren’t tipping the scumbag. What that dealer did wasn’t a minor discretion, he is attempting to help out another player at dumbos expense. He deserves $0 tip and a write up.
No, it will reflect poorly. There are a lot of people who don't tip certain dealers and it reflects poorly on them. Do you expect other people to know the reason why you aren't tipping a particular dealer? Or that you tip other dealers? All they see is you raking a pot and not tipping. It's a bad look. What you can do without looking like an A-hole is tip dealer's that you like more than you would other dealers.

As for him leaving and not being able to get action again, how do you know he won't be back? If he's up 4k at a 2/5 game you think that's the last time he is going to set foot in that casino? Not likely.

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I don't feel scummy at all; in fact, I really didn't want to give up my meal and only did it after pressured to by the other regs who wanted to keep their customer happy. And yes, I do believe he didn't care about the money (he was up around $4k at 2/5) and simply wanted to flex his money muscles a little for the table. I never offered to sell it to him, he offered the $100 to me. I don't think he resented me for it, either. When I left, he helped me color up and asked me my name and we shook hands. At one point he even apologized for taking my meal from me when other people said there was nowhere else to eat this time of night.

And bottom line is, I went hungry for the rest of the session. I think someone should have to pay for that sacrifice. Fair deal in my eyes.

And as far as "drunk" goes, I wouldn't say he was wasted, he was not slurring his speech or walking unsteady or anything like that, but he had been drinking - according to him.
Listen I'm not saying that taking $100 that's offered to you for a meal is scummy. Rather it would be magnanimous of you to offer to split it with him for free. Other people will take notice of your generosity and it will make you feel better. Think long term. That $100 will come and go. Imagine how the other regs at the table would see you if you turned down the money and offered to split the meal with him instead or just give it to him, whatever. That action player is going to want to come back to the casino to play with such nice people. Consider that approach next time. There is more to life than money.

Also, intermittent fasting is good for you. Calorie restriction leads to longer and healthier life. Being hungry is not the worst thing in the world.

Last edited by SimpleRick; 10-09-2019 at 08:12 PM.
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10-09-2019 , 08:17 PM
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No, it will reflect poorly. There are a lot of people who don't tip certain dealers and it reflects poorly on them. Do you expect other people to know the reason why you aren't tipping a particular dealer? Or that you tip other dealers? All they see is you raking a pot and not tipping. It's a bad look. What you can do without looking like an A-hole is tip dealer's that you like more than you would other dealers.

As for him leaving and not being able to get action again, how do you know he won't be back? If he's up 4k at a 2/5 game you think that's the last time he is going to set foot in that casino? Not likely.



Listen I'm not saying that taking $100 that's offered to you for a meal is scummy. Rather it would be magnanimous of you to offer to split it with him for free. Other people will take notice of your generosity and it will make you feel better. Think long term. That $100 will come and go. Imagine how the other regs at the table would see you if you turned down the money and offered to split the meal with him instead or just give it to him, whatever. That action player is going to want to come back to the casino to play with such nice people. Consider that approach next time. There is more to life than money.

Also, intermittent fasting is good for you. Calorie restriction leads to longer and healthier life. Being hungry is not the worst thing in the world.
Well, then I guess I'm no Mother Theresa. :/ He'll be back regardless. He's very degen. Thanks for the input though. Very thoughtful of you.
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10-09-2019 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
No, it will reflect poorly. There are a lot of people who don't tip certain dealers and it reflects poorly on them. Do you expect other people to know the reason why you aren't tipping a particular dealer? Or that you tip other dealers? All they see is you raking a pot and not tipping. It's a bad look. What you can do without looking like an A-hole is tip dealer's that you like more than you would other dealers.

As for him leaving and not being able to get action again, how do you know he won't be back? If he's up 4k at a 2/5 game you think that's the last time he is going to set foot in that casino? Not likely.



Listen I'm not saying that taking $100 that's offered to you for a meal is scummy. Rather it would be magnanimous of you to offer to split it with him for free. Other people will take notice of your generosity and it will make you feel better. Think long term. That $100 will come and go. Imagine how the other regs at the table would see you if you turned down the money and offered to split the meal with him instead or just give it to him, whatever. That action player is going to want to come back to the casino to play with such nice people. Consider that approach next time. There is more to life than money.

Also, intermittent fasting is good for you. Calorie restriction leads to longer and healthier life. Being hungry is not the worst thing in the world.
Are you a dealer? You seem to care a lot about whether dealers get tipped. I’m sorry but some dealers don’t deserve a tip when they do a bad job. Tips are based on performance. Sometimes the only way to express your dissatisfaction is by not tipping until the performance improves.

You also care too much what others think. So what if it “reflects poorly”. This is between me and the dealer and none of their business. Most people won’t notice or care anyway except for the most judgmental. Only judgmental people like you will notice
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10-10-2019 , 04:33 AM
Lost $250 at 5-card just missing flops, getting rivered, last table was godawful so I played HE. Lost another $100 or so at 2/5, won it all back and then some at 5/10 (KK AI pre against QQ) for a tidy $375 profit tonight. Got home a little earlier than I have been lately (on graveyard shift...), felt tired early. Hopefully earlier start tomorrow than the 4pm I have been waking up at lately. Left 5/10 as soon as bad dealer from yesterday started his down. I hope he got the message. Funny, because another player left when I did and we rode the elevator together. He said he hated the same dealer too (but because he's slow). I told him the story.

And the degen was back tonight at 2/5. His table was definitely the main game but I was too tired to play at the lame game until a seat opened up.
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10-10-2019 , 05:58 AM
It feels like the dealer was just embarrassed and tried to cover it up with a bad joke. Don't think there was any ill intention fwiw
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10-10-2019 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
I am starving and order carryout from Vietnamese place, one of my favorites, finally pick it up, drunk action player goes "is there anywhere to eat?" Player says there's no more food service, waitresses went home (it was 4:00 a.m.), drunky asks if I'll sell him my meal for $100. I really don't want to. I am starving and there's nowhere else to eat. Everyone else at the table wants to keep him there and happy and encourage me to take the offer so I cave. (He even threw in an extra $5!) So I made $105 off a comped meal, but nothing else off of him.
Maybe it's because I don't play in overnight / 4:00am games, but I've literally never seen anyone at the table ask anyone else at the table to eat their meal (it's a rather insulting question and puts the respondent in an awkward social spot that he shouldn't be put in). Pretty sure I'd eat the meal myself (almost regardless of price being offered / action this dude is giving to table / etc.), but if I was to actually give it up (especially if really hungry) I have zero problem with making the guy pay a pretty penny for it (he wouldn't get it for anything less).

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10-11-2019 , 04:50 PM
Played three "sessions" yesterday, lost around $375-$450 each one: 2/5 ran KK into AA AI pre (I had doubled up and had around $500 at this point), MP pro opened $30 (rather large), folded to me in BB with KK, $155, he min raised, I jammed. "It's just a friendly game, right?" he said, with a huge grin on his face as he tabled the bullets pre. (We know each other from playing a while now and do each other favors from time to time, so no hard feelings.) Still, I thought it only fair to give him a good cursing out and knocked his chip stack over on my way to 5/10. Floor did not call me for 5/10 in order and this hand wouldn't have happened if they'd done their job correctly. :/ Bummer. Should I find a fold after he min-4! given my nitty image and 3! sizing? I wonder.

5/10 $25 straddle on, I flat UTG open QdQc with $1,200 eff., two more callers, flop 9-3-2hh, UTG $150, call, SB reg c/r $400, UTG jams $2.3k eff. We fold. Against UTG range of 99-AA, AKhh, probably close but a good laydown given the action. Left 5/10 after about an hour. Hoping for a quick double up in such a big game and it didn't happen.

1/2 5-card iso KK789ds over fish limp, unknown player flats SB (unknown I assume fish), fish limper l/rr $100 (last time he did this was with single-suited QJT83, so he's willing to gamble), I re-jam $325 with $80 behind, SB flats (...), I flop bottom two and K-high fd, he puts me all in, I lose to his AA (no hearts), which rivered a set. :/ Lost a couple more pots missing flops, 3! AA small once hoping pfr would re-pot and get it HU but that didn't work. Just lots of bad timing today.

Biggest single-day loss for me today in a while (though not the biggest, which was $1,800 when I was playing 1/3 on garbage fire tilt a long, long time ago, before I even started this thread). I suppose when I play bigger games I should expect somewhat bigger losses, and I guess my roll is big enough for this kind of session, but I still do feel somewhat uncomfortable gradually increasing my stop loss from where it used to be. Is this discomfort a good thing?
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10-11-2019 , 08:43 PM
How do you play so many different games in one night? You game hop and table change like a fiend? From 5/10 to 2/5 to Omaha and back? And how do you double up at 2/5 and still only have 500? It’s a blessing that’s all you got when you run kk to aa
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10-11-2019 , 09:03 PM
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How do you play so many different games in one night? You game hop and table change like a fiend? From 5/10 to 2/5 to Omaha and back? And how do you double up at 2/5 and still only have 500? It’s a blessing that’s all you got when you run kk to aa
Sometimes I change it up if I’m not doing too well in a particular game. In this case I was playing 2/5 while waiting for a 5/10 seat to open. I really like the freedom to hop around like this, especially when I have a losing table image.
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10-11-2019 , 11:09 PM
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Sometimes I change it up if I’m not doing too well in a particular game. In this case I was playing 2/5 while waiting for a 5/10 seat to open. I really like the freedom to hop around like this, especially when I have a losing table image.
how long do you give it before you determine youre not doing too well? Personally I dont consider anything less than 100 hands to be relevant, which is at least 3-4 hours of play. If I arrive at 7, unless my table is an obvious steaming pile of **** (4 old men, no full stacks, etc) or there is an obvious juicy main game I can get on a list for, then I dont even think about mixing it up until around midnight.
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10-11-2019 , 11:15 PM
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how long do you give it before you determine youre not doing too well? Personally I dont consider anything less than 100 hands to be relevant, which is at least 3-4 hours of play. If I arrive at 7, unless my table is an obvious steaming pile of **** (4 old men, no full stacks, etc) or there is an obvious juicy main game I can get on a list for, then I dont even think about mixing it up until around midnight.
Yeah I usually give it at least a couple hours unless the factors you mentioned are at play. I don’t table/game change willy nilly, it’s always for a strategic reason. More often than not I just change just when the floor calls me for the game I originally wanted to play but couldn’t due to the list.
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10-12-2019 , 08:33 AM
What is the strategy behind starting $2/$5 with 50bb?
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10-12-2019 , 08:36 AM
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What is the strategy behind starting $2/$5 with 50bb?
I’m too lazy to change my strat at this point. It was really working so can’t complain. Plus I play deeper after a double up or two anyway. And Omaha has helped a ton with post-flop play.
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10-12-2019 , 12:18 PM
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I’m too lazy to change my strat at this point. It was really working so can’t complain. Plus I play deeper after a double up or two anyway. And Omaha has helped a ton with post-flop play.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. That explains why u game hop so much? Double up your min-buy at 5/10, go to 2/5. Double up at 2/5, go to Omaha. Double up there, back to 5/10 for a second helping. All in one night. It’s a bulletproof strategy. I need move to somewhere with a big enough poker room to try this. Anyone at the poker room ever say something about you hopping around?
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10-12-2019 , 02:35 PM
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If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. That explains why u game hop so much? Double up your min-buy at 5/10, go to 2/5. Double up at 2/5, go to Omaha. Double up there, back to 5/10 for a second helping. All in one night. It’s a bulletproof strategy. I need move to somewhere with a big enough poker room to try this. Anyone at the poker room ever say something about you hopping around?
That’s not really how it works anymore. (Although when I first started Omaha I would do this because I was at a skill disadvantage.) If I am winning I usually just keep playing until I get tired, unless it is a really big game that I’m not rolled for (like the 5/10/25 I am currently in with VIP millionaire). Nowadays I am pretty comfy playing whatever game I am in (except the straddled 5/10).

Nowadays I am more likely to leave a game if I am losing.

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10-12-2019 , 05:00 PM
When you jump in a game your under rolled for like that 10/25, your plan is to double up and run right? Do players get mad when you hit and run or do they celebrate when your hit and run plan fail?

I wanna try out your strategy when I go to WSOP next year where there will be many games to jump in and out of. It’ll be a goldmine!!!!!! Will people get mad when I hit and run and will they notice if I hit and run them several times a day? Or do I have to venture to a different casino to keep hitting and running. Thanks for the help!
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10-12-2019 , 05:10 PM
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When you jump in a game your under rolled for like that 10/25, your plan is to double up and run right? Do players get mad when you hit and run or do they celebrate when your hit and run plan fail?

I wanna try out your strategy when I go to WSOP next year where there will be many games to jump in and out of. It’ll be a goldmine!!!!!! Will people get mad when I hit and run and will they notice if I hit and run them several times a day? Or do I have to venture to a different casino to keep hitting and running. Thanks for the help!
Your posting is inconsistent. Why would you care what other players think about you??

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Are you a dealer? You seem to care a lot about whether dealers get tipped. I’m sorry but some dealers don’t deserve a tip when they do a bad job. Tips are based on performance. Sometimes the only way to express your dissatisfaction is by not tipping until the performance improves.

You also care too much what others think. So what if it “reflects poorly”. This is between me and the dealer and none of their business. Most people won’t notice or care anyway except for the most judgmental. Only judgmental people like you will notice
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