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07-02-2010 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by OnkelHotte
Hey there,

I did now check the whole chat between you guys. Sure, Herberts criticism was harsh at some point as he said like "This play is just BS/ridiculous" but on the other hand you just did not accept his feedback in the beginning and alleged Herbert having leaks, starting comments like "lol" etc (which raises emotions), and I think that you can agree that you won't find any personal insult in your chat history.

At the end of the day I think:

- It was an emotional conversation from both sides.
- Herbert admitted that he could have been more friendly at the end, I think the same. He admits that this was not okay and you will recieve his apologies in this thread soon.

Best regards,
Tobias
I really like how you have twisted this....very well played sir.

The "lol" was in response to a comment that insisted you never have any fold equity in a $1 game from UTG. He was implying that every single, that's 100% of shoves get called.
We all know that is a ridiculous statement....hench my reply of "lol"
07-02-2010 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by derkaegi
In addition i told you, that If you can prove it in an essay that your play in that spot was +ev, I am going to publish it on our site. This offer is still there and wasn't intended as an insult.
I'm am pretty sure it was meant as an insult, it came across as you basically calling me an idiot and then instantly disconnecting.
How would you respond?

As regards to your request to discuss the hand here, that's okay. I just need to find it.

But my complaint is not the hand, it is the appalling manor in which you spoke to me and cut me off.
If you meant no insult by your replies then why didn't you say so after your "meeting" or the next day. Surely Clemens told you that I was very unhappy with the way I was spoken to.
07-02-2010 , 01:51 PM
This was a simple matter of either yourself or another member of staff to say sorry at the time, not three months later when I make it public.

The constant trying to turn it around on me is just desperate to say the least.
All that needed to happen when I first posted on here is for someone to reply by saying - I spoke to Herbert and he is sorry he meant no offence.
That would be the end of it, but the pokerstrategy staff insist on trying to turn it around on me or say it was not official, I mean come on. Any and all contact with pokerstrategys staff from a customer is OFFICIAL.
07-02-2010 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Lennonac
I'm am pretty sure it was meant as an insult, it came across as you basically calling me an idiot and then instantly disconnecting.
I read the skypelog just before: I never called you an idiot, as you know. I told you that the the spot imho is really bad played and that insisting on the play as right play is imo ridiculous. I classified the spot with words i shouldnt have used, and that's what my apologies are for.

But i never offended you personally in the way you describe and I never called you an idiot. You were offline after the meeting and you didnt respond to my last question.

I really hope you can find the hand and we discuss it here in the forums.

Kind regards
Herbert
07-02-2010 , 02:45 PM
Since I never had the intention of offending you, and I actually didn't offend you (al least in my skypelog), there was imo no need for an apology.

Btw, if you apply as a video producer, you aren't only a mere customer any more.

I really think we should discuss the hand, if you don't find the handhistory, it would be a pity.

Kind regards
Herbert
07-02-2010 , 08:56 PM
There seems to be a language barrier as I did not say that you said I was an idiot. I said you implied I was an idiot.

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Since I never had the intention of offending you, and I actually didn't offend you (al least in my skypelog), there was imo no need for an apology.

Btw, if you apply as a video producer, you aren't only a mere customer any more.

I really think we should discuss the hand, if you don't find the handhistory, it would be a pity.

Kind regards
Herbert
The very fact that my last message to you said
"plus i think you should review your chat here I am still a customer, so talking to me the way you are is not acceptable"
and you still think I wasn't offended????????????????????

So if someone becomes a video producer you get to talk to them however you like?
Seems like a really good place to work where there is no respect.
Where I come from it is just basic manners.

I didn't answer your last "Question" because it was a statement and not a question.

You keep pushing to discuss the hand, which I will try to find. But this is about your lack of manners and how you treat people. When will you understand that?

It is clear from your replies and others that have replied that you are not sorry nor does pokerstrategy care about the outcome, why would you im just another $ earnt.
07-15-2010 , 07:39 PM
when i saw a big thread on shortstacking, i was expecting to see 50 posts of 'die shortstacker die', not an in depth customer service complaint LOL
08-03-2010 , 06:45 PM
die, short-stacker...die.
08-03-2010 , 07:00 PM
wow. all this whining. isn't poker all about learning to exploit all types of players? short-stackers, deep-stackers, fish, mediocre players, and good players? if u can't figure out how to exploit and beat a short-stacker, then u have no one to blame but yourself. if u cry "short-stackers have an inherent game theoretical advantage," then here's an idea...short-stack yourself. isn't poker all about finding ways to come out ahead, to give yourself an edge over your opponents? personally, I don't mind seeing a few shorties at my table when I bought in for 100BB. if u know they're gonna 3-bet, 4-bet, squeeze, and shove light...ADAPT! sorry, but complaining about a short-stacking strategy is like complaining about someone raising their button and pushing you off ur blind every time, or b1tching about some donk raising to 4x UTG habitually because he read somewhere that it's "the new button steal." just learn how to play against them.
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