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Yet another selective aggression spot Yet another selective aggression spot

01-04-2015 , 11:38 PM
Same story as before. LHE player making the leap to NLHE and having trouble figuring out when to push the issue and when to lay off the gas.

Hero($250) - Late 20s white male. Has been sitting at the table all day with villain and has been card dead for the majority of it. Villain has seen me both fold an over pair to a flop check raise to a very tight player as well as semi-bluff shove the NFD (a race i lost, but that spazz out is for another time)

Villain($1200) - Mid 20s Asian. Is probably the most solid player at the table apart from hero. Solid TAG who plays ABC. I have not seen him semi bluff or fold overpairs or anything like that. He has been on a heater recently and is up about 1k in the last 30 minutes or so.

UTG fold, Villain raises to $17. Folds to Hero on the button who calls with 97. Blinds Fold. Heads up to the flop.

Pot ($37) Flop: 582

Villain Leads for $35.

Hero?
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01-04-2015 , 11:55 PM
Fold pre. Your stack is too small and you are not getting the right odds heads up for $17. Villain, from earlier, knows you'll get it in with a flush draw. With the gutter also you are 44% or so against an over pair. If you want to flip for $225 raise to call his ship or just ship it now. Seems like your spazz out mentioned from earlier is about to go down again. The off chance the V has AQcc or something can make this even worse.
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01-05-2015 , 12:26 AM
In position. Calling is a strong play here. We can evaluate the turn.

Any idea what a pot size bet means from this villain?
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01-05-2015 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mikko
In position. Calling is a strong play here. We can evaluate the turn.

Any idea what a pot size bet means from this villain?
I set villain's range as KQo+ and TT+


Hero calls $35

Pot ($107) Turn: 9

Villain bets $50.

Hero?
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01-05-2015 , 02:08 AM
It pains me to say this: fold, fold, fold.

On the off chance you want an opportunity to flop gin IP vs big stack: we did not flop gin.

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Originally Posted by Gorgalosk
Hero($250) - Late 20s white male. Has been sitting at the table all day with villain and has been card dead for the majority of it. Villain has seen me both fold an over pair to a flop check raise to a very tight player as well as semi-bluff shove the NFD (a race i lost, but that spazz out is for another time)

Villain($1200) - Mid 20s Asian. Is probably the most solid player at the table apart from hero. Solid TAG who plays ABC. I have not seen him semi bluff or fold overpairs or anything like that. He has been on a heater recently and is up about 1k in the last 30 minutes or so.
1. Why does anyone know what you folded? Stop showing when you don't have to.

2. I won't comment on the "aside from Hero" part of Vs description But unless the majority of his hands have gone to SD, I'm not sure how accurate your read is.

Last edited by trucdouf; 01-05-2015 at 02:13 AM.
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01-05-2015 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Gorgalosk
I have not seen him semi bluff or fold overpairs or anything like that.
That's a reason to not semi-bluff cause all you do is fold his air and stack off as an underdog vs his sets/OPs/dominating FDs (NOT flipping).

Is this 2/5? If so auto top up to 500 always. Even if this is 1/2 like the other guy said you're not deep enough for this to be profitable call pre. If you were deeper (200bb) you'd have much better fold equity even if he hasn't shown willingness to let go of overpairs yet.
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01-05-2015 , 02:14 AM
Assume this is 2/5? Please indicate in the post.

Why are you sitting with only 50bb at 2/5?

If we have 100bb I would play 97s OTB heads up against someone I had reads on and was confident I could oftentimes steal from postflop. If he's a decent TAG you should be able to call a c-bet and steal on the turn a lot of times.

There isn't much advice to give as played, because 97s is impossible to play with only 50bb stack. You don't have implied odds for your draws, and you don't have stack leverage to steal. If you have 100bb, I would call flop and raise turn, shove river. V's hand looks a lot like an overpair. We can easily represent sets, two pair, and straights here... and half the deck brings in a flush which would should get a fold if river calls turn putting us on a semibluff.

If you think Villain is incapable of folding an overpair, then just call turn.
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01-05-2015 , 02:40 AM
suited connectors (speculative hands) plays well if...
1) we are IP vs relatively weak tight opponents who gives up easily
2) we are multiway and we are deep

therefore fold because
1) we are against an aggressive (TAG) player
2) its HU
3) we are not deep

ap, we got the best flop we can wish for and he is betting pot... he most likely have overpairs or the absolute worst of higher flush draw.. regardless, we don't know we are good unless we hit our gutter.

if you think he doesn't have 2 over with a FD, im raising it to 85 and shove any turn.
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01-05-2015 , 10:45 AM
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It pains me to say this: fold, fold, fold.
Interesting. When i was driving home to the casino and thinking about posting this hand, I knew most of the responses I would be getting would be in the vain of "fold pre". I can even see a fold on the flop, but why do you fold on the turn in this spot?


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1. Why does anyone know what you folded? Stop showing when you don't have to.
Fair enough. I'm working on getting better with this but am still worse about it than most.

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2. I won't comment on the "aside from Hero" part of Vs description But unless the majority of his hands have gone to SD, I'm not sure how accurate your read is.
Your point is well taken in regards to the "aside from hero" comment. I didn't mean for it to sound arrogant or condescending, only that this villain in particular is a bit more skilled than the normal 1/2 crowd.

The majority of his hands have not gone to shown down, but I still believe my UTG raising range for him is accurate pre flop. Once he fires the turn, I think it narrows to sets, over pairs, flush draws with the AJ+ of clubs or possibly spades.

I guess writing that out and walking through it in my head, a shove on the turn doesn't really fold out much of his range now does it?
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01-05-2015 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
That's a reason to not semi-bluff cause all you do is fold his air and stack off as an underdog vs his sets/OPs/dominating FDs (NOT flipping).

Is this 2/5? If so auto top up to 500 always. Even if this is 1/2 like the other guy said you're not deep enough for this to be profitable call pre. If you were deeper (200bb) you'd have much better fold equity even if he hasn't shown willingness to let go of overpairs yet.
Thanks for this. After walking through the villains range again when he fires on the turn in the above post, I can see what you mean. I just don't fold out much of it with a semi bluff..

This is a 1/2 game with a 300 max. I did not top off as I was packing up to leave for the day. Relatedly, I normally do not top off unless I drop at least 50bbs. Is this bad practice?
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01-05-2015 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by HH2010
Assume this is 2/5? Please indicate in the post.

Why are you sitting with only 50bb at 2/5?

If we have 100bb I would play 97s OTB heads up against someone I had reads on and was confident I could oftentimes steal from postflop. If he's a decent TAG you should be able to call a c-bet and steal on the turn a lot of times.

There isn't much advice to give as played, because 97s is impossible to play with only 50bb stack. You don't have implied odds for your draws, and you don't have stack leverage to steal. If you have 100bb, I would call flop and raise turn, shove river. V's hand looks a lot like an overpair. We can easily represent sets, two pair, and straights here... and half the deck brings in a flush which would should get a fold if river calls turn putting us on a semibluff.

If you think Villain is incapable of folding an overpair, then just call turn.

Sorry about the lack of info. This is a 1/2 game with a 300 max buy in. I had not topped off, as i was packing up and getting ready to leave and I normally do not top off until I drop at least 50bb.

I do, in fact, think that I can outplay this villain in position as I have a decent read on him from playing together for the last six hours or so.

My assessment is that villain is capable of folding an overpair, although probably not on this board against this Hero since he's seen me semi bluff before.
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01-05-2015 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bombonanza
suited connectors (speculative hands) plays well if...
1) we are IP vs relatively weak tight opponents who gives up easily
2) we are multiway and we are deep

therefore fold because
1) we are against an aggressive (TAG) player
2) its HU
3) we are not deep

ap, we got the best flop we can wish for and he is betting pot... he most likely have overpairs or the absolute worst of higher flush draw.. regardless, we don't know we are good unless we hit our gutter.

if you think he doesn't have 2 over with a FD, im raising it to 85 and shove any turn.
1) While opponent is not weak-tight, we've been playing together for the last six hours and I believe I have a decent read on him and will have an idea of where i'm at post flop as I haven't seen him get overly creative or tricky.

2) Does this hand become playable with 1 caller in between villain and myself? What about 2?

3) How deep do we need to be to play this pot in position against villain? 200bb? 300bb?
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