okay 2/5 table, I'm fairly new to the game (like 3 orbits), no history with the villain, the only thing I know is he has like 2K in front of him so obviously he's been doing pretty well.

I'm on the button with QQ (just bought in for a rack $500)

Table folds to the villain who raises to 25, being new to the table I elect just min raise to 50 to get heads up, villain calls.

Flop (105)

1093

he leads out 75, I def did not expect that so I kinda froze and flatted the 75

Turn (255)

2

Villain checks, I bet 125, villain flat calls.

River 505

5

Villain slides a stack of green forward putting me all in.

hero?!?!

call ftw

3bet to at least 65 preflop.

Flop call probably fine.

Turn bet bigger.

On river, his line makes no sense and he is repping nothing.

Online I snapcall, if this is live, I am less happy but still call.

this is such a snapcall. don't minraise

Explain.

^^^^ well I guess maybe this is being weak/passive and I know that by doing this I'm giving him odds to take the flop with a wide range of hands but I've really only been at the table for 2 orbits so I want to control the pot a bit but I have to put in some kind of raise because I want it heads up with position on a big stack.

I think I'm disguising my hand a bit more since it seems like when people (live players) min raise in late position nowadays they are doing it with medium pair hands like 88+ or AK to get heads up.....so maybe we get some more value if we are up against 99-JJ and the flop is low and favorable to the action

not sure if any of that made sense lol

lol. i think we might be getting leveled?

Pf. min raise is really bad. reraise at least 3x the orignal raise and do it with anything u are reraising with (bluffs/ak/AA/KK etc ec..)... UNLESS you have a specific reason NOT to.. i.e min reraise causes a mega spaz etc etc.. in this case u are readless so RR 3x+ is best.. (+ noone likes to fold to RRs live..)..

Flop flat is fine. Snap river.

Your reasoning for min reraising pf is not very good. U should aim to be reraising and then be willing to play for stacks.. imo..

If you are not happy doing this you shoudl flat...

people minirasing live are usually dumb nits with monsters pre giving huge implied odds to get cracked to pieces

would agree with this some of the time, not all of the time, especially not in 2010

agree

no it wasn't a level i was trying to find anyway to defend a bad play

small 3bets are fine but minraising is just bad

When you are new to the table, you shouldn't try to be sneaky since you don't know the villians. Or put another way, making moves when you can't anticipate or read the reactions/responses just isn't smart. It's best to just tighten up and play a strong ABC TAG game until you get a read on the table. Once you get a read on the villains, then open up your game.

Min-raising is just absolutely horrible (as mention many times above). In a live 2/5NL game, you need to be 3-betting it here to at least $70ish. This will give you a range of JJ-AA, AK, AQs. Also, for some reason live players LOVE to put you on AK whenever you raise which is an ideal situation to cash in on when holding JJ-AA.

As played, snap call river.

this is all spot on, except i am fist pumping the rivercall.

Live hands that get minraised preflop go here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...low-stakes-nl/

villains position?

Minraise preflop is really bad. Whenever I play live and see a player minraise preflop like that I automatically note them as a fish. You're hand is 100% good, snap call river as soon as the greens go into the middle. If he had you beat you would of been c/r'd on the turn

sweet post bro, I minraised one hand to make an isolation play and thats what you come with? cooool broo you are awesome!

btw results are that he had a set of 3's, i know pretty confusing. and when i pushed my chips over he said "yeah man i got really lucky" so i guess maybe he was newer to the game maybe did not look like a reg.

Gotta call.

He probably puts you on AJ, KQ, KJ, and thinks you missed the flop (thus the $75 bet out) and flat called down to the river to try and steal. He may have also put you on JJ or top pair when you called his bet and figured you had a small piece but were weak.

All you can do is hope you don't see a T9, TT, 99, 33. These are the only hands that would be in a range that would raise late and then call a min re-raise. But you have to follow the betting and it would be odd for him to bet $75 with 2 pair or a set. If he does end up showing a big hand then record the way he played for future reference.

My guess is that he has a QJ, AT, QT, JT. He either missed his straight draw and is trying to buy it or has top pair and feels that he's weak but senses your weakness and figures he can steal it with a big bet and if called still has a small chance of being good.

Since when is QQ a hand you want to pot control with? If you think you are behind then the correct play IS TO CALL. But obviously calling QQ otb is ridonkulous, so you raised like any sane person word. And instead of raising for value, you raised to isolate, which makes even less sense. Do you want to make money or what? Do you also minraise AA to take it HU? If you value raise him to $75 and he flats, well then it's time to play postflop poker to determine the strength of his hand. Typically people are going to check raise or put you allin with a monster on the flop, so then you can decide right there if QQ is good or not.

And I think it's safe to say you called, obviously having an overpair, so what did this guy showdown? If he has 9T or a set, then much respect to him for value towning you. If he has T5 or 55, then you're the tool for leveling yourself into getting into an odd spot with him.

i understand why everyone is focusing on the minraise-because it so terrible. but please understand this is the only time in my life in a cash game I've ever minraised let alone with QQ. so i guess it's good that I'm getting this feedback just to realize that this could be the reason I lost the hand but in all honesty I'm more concerned with the overall line of the villain and not my min raise but I 100% agree with everything everyone said about the minraise and know it's horrible

never unless you group it with mid pairs 88-JJ as more of an isolation play from late position to drive out the blinds at the start of a session because you have no reads on the table which was my rational which has no been picked apart and destroyed so i'll never do it again

PS i think i picked it up from limit which I also play often

Brutal spot. Half your stack is in the middle and you're getting sick odds, but you're virtually never winning here. I could see going either way.

His line might not make sense, but this isn't necessarily indicative of anything. Not everyone is a 2p2er with a "standard" set of betting lines.

Oh and BTW guys, just for the record since the word has been used a zillion times in this thread:
[ ] minraised preflop

I don't understand, why would $75 into $105 with T9/TT/99/33 be odd on this flop?

His line is so utterly bizarre I dont think he has any idea what you have, and with that information I elect for a call. I mean it's 1 buyin, hopefully you are properly rolled for this game, because these are some of the mistakes you are allowed to make. You beat a ton of bluff's and screwy value lines, and only lose to to like 3 hands, which he probably isnt raising preflop that often. I've never seen a live player raise any PP less than jacks, or any connecting hand like 9T. My guess is he's probably turning his hand into a bluff here thinking TP is a value shove.

PF is prob not the most +EV in a vacuum, but it's perfectly fine to minreraise in position in general. This is FAR from a big mistake, if any. We have QQ. Villain is still incorrect to play many hands to a 3bet oop (like small pairs, SCs, ) if we can play half decent postflop. Making is 75+ here with 100bb stacks in atypical 2/5 game is a good way to win $30 pretty often, or get it in against KK+. In a vacuum $60 pf vs a 5x raise would be my default