Tight female player sitting directly to my right. We have eff stacks of $400 plus. $1/$2 NL.

She hasn't raised once in about 2 hours that I've been playing with her. She had not shown down a hand yet. She raises to $11 preflop. I look at Ah Qd and though I don't love my hand against this opponent, I can't just fold preflop. It's $11. So I call.
Flop comes Ad Qc 4d. She bets $15. I think about raising and probably should have.
Turn is a Kd. Now I have two pair and the nut flush draw. She bets $20. Very weak. I call.

River Td. I now have the nuts. She checks. I bet $45. She mumbles and mucks her hand, then tells her friend five minutes later how brutally I sucked out on her. Honestly, if she had AA or QQ, yeah, it was a brutally bad beat. But she lost $46. Not like I stacked her (which if she had one of those two hands I could have by playing it faster and being a donk).

So who folds any street here?

I fold pre, I raise on the flop, or shove turn.

You played the hand fine.

Folding pre. Raising flop is pretty bad imo. Better to raise turn if you think she'll fold river on non-pairing river (she's obv never folding AA/QQ on turn, but might fold AK/AQ), if you make it 80 to go on the turn and $150 on river, she'll prob fold sets.

I just defended you playing KTs and you're saying you fold AQo in position for a small preflop raise?

Please extrapolate on your reasoning.

Wow u guys are both Morons. HE HAS 400 AND YOU WANT HIM TO FOLD AQ.

Preflop: Id prob flat based on player describ.

Flop: Im raising to $40 here all day. You have to remeber this is 1/2nl you got top 2 pair. You have to get value out of you hand in this spot against AK AJ A10. Think about it if she had a set she would of bet more. People in 1/2 are always scared of the flush draw out there. IMO if she had a set of AA she would of bet the pot or a little more then the pot. If she raises after you make it $40 then muck it and move on.

Turn: If she flatted your $40 the king is the worst card in the deck. If she leads the turn I would just call her with my 11 outs 2Qs and 9d. If she has AK.

River: I would bet like $20. somthing small so she will just pay you off. betting 40 on that river is really hard to get called by anything except like aj with the j diamonds or qj with the j of diamonds. Plus the $20 bet could also induce a raise.

Vs a tight raiser, AQo plays quite poorly.

Lol shove turn, do you routinely shove $350 into $80 pots?

As for the hand, I think the line could have been more agressive, but can't find a fold at any point.

You played the hand fine. I said "me".

I would fold because the player you stated has not raised a hand in 2hours. AQs is a auto call.

Vs a super tight player I don't want one pair type hands. I want straight draws and flush draws vs them. I would take K4s instead of AQo.

AQo is a good hand vs the players we play against. I just hate big off suit aces. Ill raise with them, 3bet or fold. Calling is meh in my game plan.

Exactly

Sometimes if the situation comes up.

Fair enough. Appreciate the response. Always looking to improve.

What is she raising with? AA to jj, maybe 1010, AK maybe AQs. You do poorly against that range and have reverse implied odds and it is deep. I fold pre but raise flop or turn cause I had the 3 or 4 percent miracle flop I liked.

[ ] have the nuts

Nvm... Diamonds

I disagree with most people here. I think the call pre is fine, the flop is ok... but I'm raising most times. Turn is fine, river is fine.

This hand IMO gets on down to the idiot level (villains) in order to be worthy of discussion.

At 200bb deep here ....

Hero more likely to blow off way more dough getting coolered
by Qxx flop (AA KK) or Axx flop (AK AA) .........than the times all the money goes in ONE SPECIFIC CASE OF AxQ (AK) and that requires the villain to be the ultimate village oblivious idiot and call off 200bb with AK and one pair.

So i cant help but laugh when people say "hey, we are deep man, and AQ is a pretty hand".

5.5x raise to me isnt a small raise either. This thread is beginning to sound like a nucleus of 1/2 players that i just imagine sitting there in game and all saying --holy **** dude, i never fold AQ preflop, are u crazy? And before anyone gets bent that i say that, go ahead and give me all the scenarios where hero can get a big stack from villain here, then paper out all the times hero can get screwed, and see how the dust settles at the end of the day.

If you can really make a real case for it, then go ahead. Otherwise its all garbage and just talk, in order to preserve the right to go ahead and play the AQ cause so many low limit players shudder at the thought of waiting 2 hours for a playable hand and then folding AQ when it finally shows up IMO.

And also i doubt hero here is doing anything elaborate postflop (taking pot away from ak when both miss) since there is likely to be players coming in behind when we flat villains raise. (im just assuming that much)

If this is a general statement, fine. But you'll notice I controlled the size of the pot on the flop and turn and by not raising and building a bigger pot. Of course, in retrospect, I wish I had played the hand faster. With just two players in the hand, I don't think I'm ever going broke here. If there were more callers behind, who knows what would have happened? I was in a good frame of mind last night. I don't know what happens if I raise the flop bet and she 3-bets me.

Also, we're putting her at the top of her range to say she had AA, AK or QQ here. She could have had JJ, bet the flop and when I didn't raise, been confused about what I peeled with so she fired again on the turn. Who knows if her speech to her girlfriend was legit? Honestly, if I had AA or QQ there, I'd be pissed at losing, but I'd just say 'nice hand' and move on. I'd probably show it too to let my opponent know how lucky they'd gotten.

But I agree with ANL's analysis that most $1/$2 players will get coolered in a situation like this. And some nights, I will too. If I had just sat down, we probably would have played a $300 hand with no read and that flop.

+1

It cracks me up to no end when Villain 1, who hasn't raised PF for hours, raises 6bb in MP and gets called by Villain 2 with AQo. (Ofc, V2 proceeds to stack V1 when the flop comes AQx).

Fold pre. The point pre isnt that she's a tight raiser. She's raising like 1-2% of hands which is essentially AA, AK, KK, QQ which all crush you.

Who cares if your 200bbs deep, you have little equity against her raising range w AQo and its not like shes stacking unless shes crushing you. AQo fold. AQs call.

i did mean it only as a general statement. But also, we got about the best flop in the world ever for our hand, and we cant still love it. So how in the world can we talk about wanting to play the hand pretty deep, when we cant flop anything we want to get in?

its just a bad plan from the beginning, thats all. Sure, we can take a flop, hope for an Ace. Hope she has QQ, and all that, but when any real money goes in, we suck a big ballsack, right? Compare that to calling with 88 where it comes A85ss and now we are ready to put in the farm with our hand AND we hope villain is around top of their range being AKss etc. Now that is teh "type" of implied situation that we want instead of gthe opposite type hand where we are hoping for all sorts of miracles to happen. (or we are just mindlessly looking at AQ as pretty and can still win a bunch of small pots etc)

Now having said all that, mind you that i would most likely flat AQ behind a tight player (with few behind me) quite often. But for different reasons.
A. I block with both A and Q in my hand.
B. I will win the pot from AK if i detect a whiffed flop.
C. I may decide some other creative play if i think its +EV

IOW, ive got a lot going on where i can win without the best hand. And maybe you do too. But thats the point, calling with this just on its own face value is like really level 1 thinking. (not directing this at you per se OP). Just in general.

Personally i LOVE taking pots from SF tight villains holding AK when i have AJ etc. Thats just another form of exploitation. Keep in mind we dont flop the same pair but like 13% or so.

Op, you CAN fold it PF.
You stick your cards in the muck.
You don't have to do anything at a poker table.
If your trying to make $, you could almost say you have to fold considering Vills profile.
There's even a good case for dumping AK here,
and it's more than just one clicK ahead of AQ in strength.
Only thing is that it's the same hand vs her "range"
which is sounding like its compromised of 2, maybe 3 hands.

Should've raised flop because the suck-out was coming!

I think people assume more consistency from small stakes players than they often have. Someone not raising for 1.5 hours might mean a super-tight player only going in with QQ+, but it could also mean a player who is kinda clueless and got bored or frustrated and thinks back to that PAD show they saw where Durrr played crap but worked it out...

There's no problem playing this hand carefully.

pre flop.

edit: especially if we're scared to take 2p to value town.

ps. i also think your pot controlling tendencies are usually incorrect when i read your posts, though i think i might have posted that before so ignore me if i have and you disagree

i will go back and check some of them out.