I made a similar post years ago. During one of first levels of Wsop ME where I had KT black in limped pot AQJhh flop and all hell broke loose. At the time I considered folding, but obv got it in vs KThh

This^^^^^^^

What if you were up against 4 all-ins, not just one,before it gets to you, even though you currently have the nuts?

completely agreed. But the issue is that if there are 4 all-ins ahead of you, there is a good chance someone is completely free-rolling, while two other are drawing to full houses and nut flushes while your hand will never improve. In such scenario, is it still a '-no-brainer' call?

If you don't call, in this case or the op's, you have no business being in the game.

Yes, of course. It is a straight math problem as others have said.

Flop: AJ10 rainbow.

Four players have KQ offsuit, the nut straight.
One player has a set.

If they all shove, then each of the nut straight players has ~15% equity, and the set player has ~39.5% equity.

You can clearly see that if the set player and three of the nut straight players go all in on the flop, then for the last nut straight player, he cannot achieve positive EV, and should fold.

This is assuming certain stack to pot ratios, but easy to do by just having it limped around and a normal deep game, and first to act just open shoving the flop.

In any event, if people flip their hands up on the flop, its easy to construct situations where you should fold the nuts.

Opened thinking it was gonna be a crazy suuuperdeep spot, then saw it was only 200bb deep.

lulz

The state of poker is great my friends

Snap call

Guess barring 1000+ bb situations this could be possible with like 1 card straight on turn (AKQJ double suited board) facing an enormous overbet shove

I would fold in the $2/5 game because it's not worth my time to chop a $3000 pot, but call in the $500/1000 game and buy a new car with my G-bucks

i had a similar spot with JT on 987ss when i was facing 3 all ins and reluctantly called while explaining to my neighbors that i am spewing and i should fold bc i knew i was up against a FD a set and the same straight. i lost.

Sick freeroll if you have life insurance.

Just watched a hand happen today where 3 players went ALL IN on this flop:
10 9 7

Player with 10 10 was pushing the action
Player with J 8 was raising and
Player with Q 6 was getting the right odds along the way

They ended all going ALL IN on the flop - each with each about 30% equity

Since poker is about getting and advantage/ edge, how is going AI here (or in your example) getting the most bang for your buck?
It's like rolling a dice with 5 other people with only one guy going home for the whole pot depending on where it lands.

As mentioned by another posters... it depends on your what % of your BR is in play...
but i think what OP is asking is: should a player be calling a shove here when your pot equity isn't bigger than your opponents?

ibtl

and this is a poker stove question, but lsdeee (thumbs up on name) gave a great situation imo where a fold can be found give. certain stack depths.

Nah, I Would Not Fold This Hand For Only Two Hundred Big Blind Stacks. Also, Your "Bigger Game" Isn't An Accurate Scale Up. UTG's Raise Should Be To 5000 And Your All In Should Be To 200,000.

lol, is this a joke? folding the nuts...

There's lots of hands where all you can make is a +EV play. But it's a play that everyone would make; there's no advantage possible.

Making a +EV call is always totally normal and standard.

It's definitely not like rolling a die if you assume that every decision made in the hand had a positive EV.

Are you talking about reciprocity here?

I was equating this example to 6 people each choosing a number from 1-6 and where ever the die lands - gives us a winner.

in example above:
A K 10

we've got Q J

vs 3 other players:
Let's say one has a set (AA, KK or TT)
Another has FD (QX or JX)
and
the other also has QJ (for the sake of argument, not )

our equity in the pot is approx 33% (which we're splitting with QJ)
so essentially we're gambling to split the pot.

Isn't this more like an 0 EV situation here?

Now, let's say it's the final 2 tables at the WSOP Main Event.
11 players left.
3 All Ins ahead of you.

Wouldn't it be more +EV to fold and pick a better spot?

So, the answer to the OP's question could be, it depends? If the players are super deep, folding the absolute nuts on the flop (with no redraw) could be correct? (imagine each player being 500-1000BB deep).

Certainly theoretically possible vs a nit whose range is only composed of suited connector nut straights. However, we would generally need to be heads up, super deep, with little dead money in the pot. We may go a lifetime of live poker without this situation developing though so it probably doesn't warrant much discussion.

I'll just use my cat-like quickness, grizzly strength, and piercing blue eyes to escape danger, nab the girl, grab the money, and hit the bar with a war story to tell if i get sucked out

Too lazy to stove this but I'm assuming the answer in NL will be no, PLO not sure