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Old 12-31-2019, 01:36 PM   #24776
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So are all live tourney players just sun-running? I still think they are fun and still will fire at the series and when tourney series come locally, but can only imagine doing that for an income without a sweet backing deal.
I'm a rec player who plays around 8 tournaments a year focusing on good guarantees, structure and soft fields. Based on experience, I can confidently say that the large majority of tourney regulars are either break-even or losing players. Many of these players just play every single tournament with no regard for the structure or prizepool and they aren't even backed!

Obviously the pros are backed or sell action but many of them are good enough to be profitable long-term, just not profitable enough to make a living. Also, to your question, there are rec players (and pros) who are just sun running and will come back to earth eventually. That is a tale as old as time in the tournament world.

FWIW my Hendon Mob shows ~ $100k in cashes in 8 years and I'm at about $50k profit before taxes.
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Old 12-31-2019, 07:57 PM   #24777
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2019 NL Results:

$1/$2 $2/$5
$ Won $955 / $20,250
Hours 19.7 / 817.0
Hourly $48.56 / $24.79

Fair run through August, 7bbs/hour at $2/$5 NL, but the last 230+ hours = ~-2 BIs. Nasty, but it is what it is.

Happy 2020!

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Old 12-31-2019, 07:59 PM   #24778
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2019 NL Results:

$ Won Hours Hourly
$1/$2 $ 955 19.7 $48.56
$2/$5 $20,250 817.0 $24.79

Fair run through August, 7bbs/hour at $2/$5 NL, but the last 230+ hours = ~-2 BIs. Nasty, but it is what it is.

Happy 2020!


Move to 1/2 full time is obvious
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Old 12-31-2019, 08:06 PM   #24779
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Old 12-31-2019, 08:33 PM   #24780
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Learn to win while drunk. Then you'll be happy to include those sessions in your hourly calculation. I don't even think it's that -EV to drink. If you adjust properly could even be +EV if you're stacking someone every time you have a big hand cause no one wants to fold to the "drunk idiot". For me personally, before the 10th drink I can't really recall alcohol making me do anything stupid/spewy. After the 10th drink...well I probably wouldn't be able to recall it anyways

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Not the best way to end the year. To be fair, I really don't know if it was before or after the 10th drink. All I know is that tequila shot did not do me any favours.
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Old 12-31-2019, 09:36 PM   #24781
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2019 Results

Cash:
1/2 - 207:21 hours - 10.70 BB/hr
1/3 - 007:36 hours - 25.83 BB/hr
2/5 - 226:08 hours - 06.00 BB/hr
T/T - 002:48 hours - negative 32 BB/hr
Total - 443:53 hours - 8.30 BB/hr - $26.73/hr
Filter - 441:05 hours - 8.55 BB/hr - $28.93/hr (filtering out the T/T shot)

101 Sessions, 66 Win, 33 Loss, 2 BE (65.3% Win)

MTT:
Total Buy In: $775
Total Cash: $1001
Total Profit: $226

Numbers are way down compared to last year's 250 ish hour sun run. Mostly due to an epic downswing. Here's a giraffe to point out the ridiculousness my most epic downswing ever. It looks to be about $9,400 and contains a T/T shot but there is also 1/2 mixed in so this probably represents around 15 buy ins. Still hard to get my head around. Two biggest swings last year were both half this size or less. How is this possible?



ETA: 2018 for reference.
2018 Game - Hours - $ - BB/hr
1/2 - 23:08 - $2,347 - 50.72 (includes $500 High hand)
1/3 - 12:07 - $1,489 - 40.96
1/3/6 - 0:35 - $70 - 20.00
2/5 - 219:12 - $12,741 - 11.62
2/5/10 - 0:20 - $11 - 3.30
Total - 255:22 - $16,658 - 15.59 ($65.23/hr)
Total - Winning Sessions 65, Losing Sessions 23, Break Even Sessions 3
Total - Longest win streak 14, Longest loss streak 5

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Old 01-01-2020, 03:31 AM   #24782
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I've got an extremely soft 2-2-5 and 5-5-10 PLO game near me. With moderate table selection, the game is unbelievable. I'm breakeven after 3 sessions with an AIEV of around +12 buyins.

Now, obviously the variance is drastically higher than NL. I don't recall every going on more than a 4 ish buyin downswing in Live NL. It's pretty much sit around, value bet, stack fish with a set, etc. I find I can use my "skillset" more at PLO. I.e. high level reads, blocker bluffs. Players play extremely straight forward in low stakes PLO. There are older guys that will 100% only raise with the nuts on textures and you can snap muck the second nuts. Definitely a lot of situations where you can deduce more information in PLO vs NL.

I am confident if you can withstand the variance, the PLO game is superior in terms of hourly, but as an income, NL is going to be more stable. I don't play much, at most it would be like 13-14 hours per week.

What do you all think? I need a side income, and can certainly crush these games(I played 200nl and 400nl online for years, huge winner at 200nl), just not sure what to do with a mid 5 figure bankroll. I could also check out the 5-10 games, though I doubt they are +EV enough to play over a 2-5. Thanks.
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Old 01-01-2020, 01:02 PM   #24783
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TBH, you don't have enough data to make anything resembling a sound decision. Which means that a good thing to do would be to collect more data.

I would say continue to play 2-5 for income, while at the same time putting in more hours at the PLO game when you can.

Don't forget to work on your game away from the table.
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Old 01-02-2020, 12:41 AM   #24784
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I'm sure this is an annoyingly common question in here, but can someone please tell me what the best poker session tracking app there is for iphones.
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Old 01-02-2020, 03:37 AM   #24785
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2019 results:

+$8139
178.93 hours
$45.49 per hour
72% win rate

All played at 2/3 with $500 max. Currency is kangaroo bucks not freedom bucks.

There's a generous dose run-good in these results, including a very juicy +$1475 on a single hand...crazy in a low action game.
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Old 01-02-2020, 09:09 AM   #24786
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Not a bad 2019, despite ending on a $1200 downswing with half of it coming from taking a $1K shot at a deep stacked 1/3 game with lots of $10 straddles.

113 hours. Most 1/2, with a few hours of 1/3 sprinkled in, as 2/5 has now been completely replaced by a 1/3 match the stack game.
+$1825
20 winning sessions, 16 losing sessions.

I didn't track my Vegas results, but from memory, it was about +900ish over about 13 hours or so.

My goal for 2020 is to get in 200 hours, and hopefully take 1 or 2 more shots at the bigger game. My biggest hindrance is I can usually only play during the week and the game tends to be more of a Friday/Saturday thing. I'd also like to try and play the $1100 MSPT event when it comes to town, either in May or October, or if I'm lucky both. In the last 15 years I think I've played at most 10 live tournaments, and have yet to cash, so it would be nice to pop that cherry.
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Old 01-02-2020, 09:29 AM   #24787
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2019:

+9,301
462.67 hours
$20.10/hr
4.89 bb/hr
won 95/158 sessions (60.1%)


1/2: 20 sessions, +$1,465, 34.95 hrs, $41.92/hr
1/3: 48 sessions, ($145), 137.52 hrs, ($1.05)/hr
2/5: 83 sessions, +$9,159, 274.60 hrs, $33.35/hr
5/10 and 10/10: 4 sessions, +$177, 9.47 hrs, $18.69/hr
5/0 PLO with rock: 3 sessions, ($1,355), 6.13 hrs, ($220.92)/hr

looking back, my goal for the year was 250 hours, which i hit in early August.

i unfortunately can't play many long sessions because of family commitments, which i think sometimes negatively affects my play.
158 sessions => 2.93 hrs/session
but only 106 unique days => 4.36 hrs/day.

i'm going to attempt to get a few longer trips planned. already have one for Vegas in Feb. gonna try to do 1-2 more through the year. last short trip i took i got 22 hours in 2 days with my family being there.

overall, i'm probably going to take a step backwards in 2020. every year since 2015 i've increased my yearly volume and while i've done ok for a rec player, it's just becoming too much. it doesn't help that i'm currently on a massive downswing (>7k) since early november. can't seem to do anything right. but even if i wasn't, i want to put an extra 10 hours/week in at work (close to promotion, which benefits me much more long term) and that time needs to come from someplace.

hourly goal will probably stay at 250, but i think i would like my hrs/day to be closer to 6

and i need to figure out PLO. too much money there to not play it.
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Old 01-02-2020, 10:08 AM   #24788
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Nice work Johnny. Pretty excellent to have a side hobby bringing in 10k/year.
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Old 01-02-2020, 12:53 PM   #24789
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$0.25/$0.50 (home game): 1 session, +$125, 5hours, $27.78/hour, 50bb/hour
$1/$3: 51 sessions, +$6417, 352 hours, $18.24/hour, 6.08bb/hour
$2/$5: 14 sessions, +$6921, 82 hours, $84.03/hour, 16.88bb/hour
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Old 01-02-2020, 01:23 PM   #24790
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Completed my 10th year of 1/3 NL in 2019.

After a few pretty lean years I've bounced back with two decent years in a row, this year booking my biggest hourly since the glory years of 2012 - 2013 (which I'm very happy with since the conditions are so much worse). So I'm very pleased with the results my recent Super Nit approach has been getting me.

Booked a record 583 hours in 2019 (beating my previous record by 0.5 hours) at 7.36 bb/hr.



Here's the good, the bad and the ugly over my 10 years at 1/3 NL:

2010: 8.81 bb/hr over 125 hours.
2011: 8.63 bb/hr over 386 hours.
2012: 10.39 bb/hr over 411 hours.
2013: 11.83 bb/hr over 568 hours.
2014: 6.87 bb/hr over 554 hours.
2015: 2.63 bb/hr over 582 hours.
2016: 6.61 bb/hr over 540 hours.
2017: 2.93 bb/hr over 578 hours.
2018: 7.12 bb/hr over 527 hours.
2019: 7.36 bb/hr over 583 hours.

Overall: 7.02 bb/hr over 4854 hours.

Ended 2019 on a ridiculous Postle-like heater, going 24-4 over 240 hours at 11.67 bb/hr. I'm convinced I'm cheating, but I'm just not sure exactly how I'm doing it.

And on my 5th-to-last session of the year, I broke the $100K profit mark at my 1/3 NL game. Pretty happy about that accomplishment. Never had one lesson!





Was really hoping my PokerJournal app would do something like this at the $100K profit point but no such luck:

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Old 01-02-2020, 01:36 PM   #24791
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That is simply amazing. The longevity and consistent results are fantastic. Congratulations GG.
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Old 01-02-2020, 01:43 PM   #24792
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Something about slow and steady?

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Old 01-02-2020, 02:24 PM   #24793
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Awesome body of work GG. Inspiration for us rec players. Keep Postle'ing it up!
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Old 01-02-2020, 02:45 PM   #24794
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Awesome body of work GG. Inspiration for us rec players. Keep Postle'ing it up!
Thanks Corny!

Nice results posted by you as well, with the most impressive being how you managed to bounce back from that mind**** of a downswing; nice job!

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Old 01-02-2020, 03:55 PM   #24795
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I'm very pleased with the results my recent Super Nit approach has been getting me.
Fellow Super Nit for the win!
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Old 01-02-2020, 04:58 PM   #24796
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Clearly GG is hogging all the fun players. J/k. Very well done. Great job by Samo, Johnny, & WereBeer as well.
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Old 01-02-2020, 05:04 PM   #24797
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Clearly GG is hogging all the fun players. J/k. Very well done. Great job by Samo, Johnny, & WereBeer as well.
+1 - Forgot to mention strong years by Samo, Johnny, & WereBeer. Well played gents.
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Old 01-02-2020, 07:07 PM   #24798
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First chart are my individual session results throughout 2019.
Second chart is my 2019 accumulated profit/loss.
Third chart is my all-time results from NL poker, mostly $1-$3 and $2-$2-$3.

First two years were obviously bad (-$15K). When I got laid off in 2018, I spent a little more time on poker and studying and was able to get into the Black for the first time ever - obviously a great feeling. I’m now in my 4th year of playing poker, but seeing other people’s charts, I feel like mine has a lot of variance. I had issues with gaining momentum this year - I’d win some money and then proceed to lose it back, hence the up and down trend of my chart. Finally, towards the later part of the year, you see the graph trending upwards a little bit, but still with lots of ups and downs as opposed to more of a smooth upward projection.

Can you guys help me with what my leak may be based on the stats I’ve recorded? One speculation I have is that since becoming more serious about poker, I feel like I’m “trying too hard” as a low limit player who tries to apply higher-level strategy at these games. For example, I definitely see myself trying to bluff-catch and paying people off. I’ve made some enormous calls before that would awe the entire table. I’ve also made plenty of bad calls as well.

Any input is greatly appreciated! It’s the only reason I’m sharing my results, to gain feedback on improving my game.

FYI-I am fully employed since 2019 and been playing part time when my job allows it. As you’ll see in my stats, I logged about 435 hours with a winrate just shy of 60%. How does my winrate stack up against winning players? Am I barely a breakeven player?
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Old 01-02-2020, 07:36 PM   #24799
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+1 - Forgot to mention strong years by Samo, Johnny, & WereBeer. Well played gents.
Thx Quant and Corny!

Well played to all of the results' posters! GG, the longevity is especially impressive.
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Something about slow and steady?

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Write a treatise, GG! Teach me your ways!
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