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Old 12-25-2019, 06:15 PM   #24751
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Stats for the year:

Live
1/2 189hrs +2860 $15.11/hr
1/3 556hrs +14853 $26.71/hr
2/5 99hrs -3117 -$31.56/hr

Live tourney
8 tourneys, cashed in 4
$3070 buy in
$25858 cash out
$22788 profit

total: 904 hrs $37384 profit

REALLY need to work on my 2/5 game and put in some hrs there..
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Old 12-25-2019, 06:26 PM   #24752
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Nice to see a good tourney score - congrats!

That’s a lot of hours for a rev and not many for a pro - what’s your situation?
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Old 12-25-2019, 07:01 PM   #24753
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Would you still drink if you had to pay $7 for a beer? I definitely found it way more common for people to suggest/buy a round of drinks in Vegas than anywhere in the UK. I completely agree that it's way better optics to drink beer than green tea/coffee etc though


I might have one in that case and keep the bottle for as long as possible. I like to drink independently of trying to facilitate an image and be good for the long term game so I would probably buy one or two extra if winning. I’m a rec tho, if I was fully dependent on poker for income I’d be playing higher stakes and at that point $7 isn’t significant.

Perhaps a derail. /strat.
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Old 12-25-2019, 07:04 PM   #24754
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Old 12-25-2019, 09:08 PM   #24755
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Nice to see a good tourney score - congrats!

That’s a lot of hours for a rev and not many for a pro - what’s your situation?
Thanks/ yeah I work usually only 1 day a week, am in a good situation. I'm a older guy who might retire soon
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Old 12-27-2019, 10:28 PM   #24756
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My session win % is 67.5% over 300 sessions and 1600 hours, with very little manufacturing as I stick to a pretty rigid schedule in my sessions.
I'm personally at 76% lifetime winning sessions. In a casino I've noticed my win percentage tends to be lower due to the rake whereas in certain home games with no rake I've been able to achieve a 90% win rate over 3000 hours.

This year I "only" won at 66% of my sessions, but that didn't matter as my hourly was at $80/hr. which is the highest I've beeb able to earn over any year. 20% at 1/3, 60% at 2/5, and 20% at 5/T. Also won a big share of a BBJ (5 figures) and a room share of a BBJ which I didn't count in my hourly. Really hoping I can continue to play/run at the same levels I have this year.
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Old 12-28-2019, 08:09 AM   #24757
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Must be amazing to be able to keep getting invited back into home games where you win 9 out of 10 times. What is your secret?
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Old 12-28-2019, 10:10 AM   #24758
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Must be amazing to be able to keep getting invited back into home games where you win 9 out of 10 times. What is your secret?
Looking like a drunken moron helps. Also, playing really loose to start and rebuying a few times. Then that $2k sitting in front of you can be “my entire buy in, I’m up ... $17 so far!”. Most players won’t notice that you’re actually only in for $1000 then. Stuff like that.
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Old 12-28-2019, 03:30 PM   #24759
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Honestly just being someone who is fun to be around. People didn't seem to mind or even notice that I kept coming out ahead as it was a very low key, but well run, game. I think it also helps that I play a very LAG style and give everyone a bunch of action.

Poker is a game of egos and I think that also plays into things where people would think he's just lucky. For others I think they enjoyed the challenge of trying to beat me out of pots.

Basically make the game fun and interesting and people will want to keep playing.
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Old 12-29-2019, 05:13 PM   #24760
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Looking like a drunken moron helps. Also, playing really loose to start and rebuying a few times. Then that $2k sitting in front of you can be “my entire buy in, I’m up ... $17 so far!”. Most players won’t notice that you’re actually only in for $1000 then. Stuff like that.
Plan sounds good if you can control how easy it is to win $2000 after losing $1000.

Not sure constantly digging out of hole and acting like a drunken fool can result in winning 90% of sessions.
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Old 12-29-2019, 05:39 PM   #24761
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Old 12-29-2019, 06:34 PM   #24762
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Plan sounds good if you can control how easy it is to win $2000 after losing $1000.

Not sure constantly digging out of hole and acting like a drunken fool can result in winning 90% of sessions.
You don’t have to punt the money, but you can make some hero calls, big bluffs, or take other thin spots. Sometimes you’ll be up $2k on the initial $200 too. People remember that a lot less than how easily you threw chips in the middle.
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:06 PM   #24763
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You just do stuff like calling jams with draws without doing the math, and when you check it you actually lost $10 on the hand, but who cares because your hourly in the game is $100 and by doing that you keep getting invited back
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:08 PM   #24764
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Hardest thing to do in a scenario in which one can win 90% of sessions in an invite-only environment such as home games is probably winning 90% of sessions.

Winning is hard enough by it self, adding even just the illusion of punting money away is going to make it significantly harder to win.

With that said, I get where you are going with it. You are essentially focused on the getting invited back part. Personally, I have tough enough time winning 90% of sessions even without any fake attempt of throwing money away.
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:18 PM   #24765
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FWIW, perhaps I am just underestimating the effect of rake. Most rooms around here take somewhere between $6 to $8 per hand, and that is basically $210 an hour or $23.33 per player in cost to play.

If I get $23 added to my hourly, I will probably win a significantly more sessions as well. And for the average losers in casino games, adding $23 hourly will probably make them feel a lot better about losing and playing, too.

Combining all that in a rake-free environment, it is probably quite sustainable.
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Old 12-29-2019, 08:27 PM   #24766
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Very few winning players play loose enough to win enough hands to pay $23.33/hr in rake. Poker rooms also dont get max rake in every hand.
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Old 12-29-2019, 11:03 PM   #24767
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Good home games tend to be raked.
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Old 12-30-2019, 12:11 AM   #24768
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Well, I didn't believe it until I looked at my numbers, but I actually had a winning year

2019 net: +$138

Tournaments: +$1659
ITM/Played: 5/20
Buyins: $6,095
ROI: 27%

Cash: 152 hours, -$1521 (-$10/hour)
1/3: 80 hours, -$528 (-$6.60/hour)
1/3/6: 27 hours, $1442 ($53.40/hour)
2/5: 45 hours, -$2435 (-$54.11/hour)

I tilted and spewed a lot in cash games. My mental discipline was the worst it's ever been.

Had my worst session by quite a bit in late november, losing $4100 in one night Definitely tilted and punted somewhat but the heavy losses were getting rivered in two 500bb pots at 2/5 with all the money in good OTT. What can ya do.

I play most of my hours at 1/3 because the 2/5 only runs at night. It's crazy tilting to have dozens of hours of 1/3 grinding wiped out by 2/5 variance (and the discrepancy in stakes led me to spew at 1/3 as well -- easy to forget $30 or whatever is a "big bet" when you're also playing with people putting $200 in pre with offsuit gappers etc.)

Will resolve to play a lot more disciplined in 2020. I like the satisfying feeling of finishing a session you played solidly, even if you ended up losing.

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Old 12-30-2019, 03:59 AM   #24769
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I've definitely been there before. After busting a tourney in Reno one time I commenced to be the whale in a 1/3 game. I think I donated like 3600 vpiping 100% from every position and seeing a flop no matter what with any hand.

It was fun though. I cracked a guys KK w/ 92o from a flop of
Q T 3 lol. It came running 2 9.
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Old 12-30-2019, 04:45 AM   #24770
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Well, I didn't believe it until I looked at my numbers, but I actually had a winning year

2019 net: +$138

Tournaments: +$1659
ITM/Played: 5/20
Buyins: $6,095
ROI: 27%

Cash: 152 hours, -$1521 (-$10/hour)
1/3: 80 hours, -$528 (-$6.60/hour)
1/3/6: 27 hours, $1442 ($53.40/hour)
2/5: 45 hours, -$2435 (-$54.11/hour)

I tilted and spewed a lot in cash games. My mental discipline was the worst it's ever been.

Had my worst session by quite a bit in late november, losing $4100 in one night Definitely tilted and punted somewhat but the heavy losses were getting rivered in two 500bb pots at 2/5 with all the money in good OTT. What can ya do.

I play most of my hours at 1/3 because the 2/5 only runs at night. It's crazy tilting to have dozens of hours of 1/3 grinding wiped out by 2/5 variance (and the discrepancy in stakes led me to spew at 1/3 as well -- easy to forget $30 or whatever is a "big bet" when you're also playing with people putting $200 in pre with offsuit gappers etc.)

Will resolve to play a lot more disciplined in 2020. I like the satisfying feeling of finishing a session you played solidly, even if you ended up losing.


go to 5/10 to recoup your losses?
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Old 12-31-2019, 03:08 AM   #24771
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Old 12-31-2019, 08:56 AM   #24772
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Old 12-31-2019, 09:31 AM   #24773
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Old 12-31-2019, 12:43 PM   #24774
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good job BadReg, studying starting to payoff

My 2019 Tourney only stats (AKA lol donkaments)

P/L $3042.00
$/hour 14.58
Duration 208 hours 38 mintues
Cashed 10/33 (30%)
ROI 11%
Buy-in $27,260.00
Winnings $30,300.00
ABI $826

Since getting to the long run in tourneys live is going to be pretty much impossible, how are people viewing the opportunity cost of playing tournaments? Say in these 200ish hours that your EV in cash is 8-9k that's 6ish thousand in "lost" profit with much lower variance.

Accounting note: I counted winning satellites as profit and then would fully debit the account when playing the larger event. Example if the satellite was 410 and I won a 3300 dollar seat I put 2890 in profit but when I fired the larger tourney I marked a loss of 3300. Obviously if I didn't win the satty it goes as -410. Also chopped the Tag team buy-in to 250 from 500 (2 of us) which increased my ROI 1 percent ...also I still have a satty seat outstanding (series later this winter) so if I bust that event I'll be pretty much break even...

So are all live tourney players just sun-running? I still think they are fun and still will fire at the series and when tourney series come locally, but can only imagine doing that for an income without a sweet backing deal.
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Old 12-31-2019, 01:17 PM   #24775
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2019 Totals:

Stake, P/L, Hours

1/2, $205, 120hr
2/5, $1347, 87hr
2/2 PLO, $3750, 58hr
Tournaments: $9235 (Buy ins ~ $8k, Cashes ~$17k)

Total P/L: $14,539

The year started out really bad for me after a horrendous 2018 where I battled through a downswing and tilt/mental game issues. That spilled over into early '19 until I started turning it around in Q2. My goal was to play 500 hours but I only played about half of that. The downswing and tilt in the early part of the year kept me on the sidelines a lot. I ended up dabbling in PLO a bit and found the game to be extremely soft and a lower rake (no promo drops). Overall I'm happy I was able to book a profitable year and work through my mental game issues. I had some major breakthroughs in that area that will be reflected in my results going forward.

Happy New Year!
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