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Old 12-21-2019, 11:06 AM   #24701
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Old 12-21-2019, 05:08 PM   #24702
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Tentative results for 2019:

Won $4059.29 over 333.6 hours. About half and half $1/2 NLHE and PLO.

Terrible volume this year after our home game folded Not a terrible year in terms of winnings though.

I doubt I'll be able to play before the end of the year due to family commitments, unless I can get over to one of the Florida Dog Tracks. But I'm starting 2020 off in Vegas so hopefully that'll jumpstart things.
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Old 12-21-2019, 06:48 PM   #24703
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I'm also probably not gonna have many chances to play before the end of the year, so:
NLH (almost entirely 2/5): 216 hours, $4515 winnings
PLO (almost entirely 5/10): 168 hours, $19,484 winnings
Definitely didn't play enough hours, ran super hot in PLO / pretty terrible in NLH, but overall happy with the year
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Old 12-21-2019, 07:01 PM   #24704
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May as well since the year is pretty much over (thankfully). This is a mix of PLO (1/2 and 5/5/15 5-card) and 0.25/0.5 - 5/10/25 NLHE, mostly 1/3 & 2/5 NLHE and 1/2 5-card PLO. Doesn't include $2,500 in promos (or $2/hr. in comps obviously). Ran pretty poorly at 5/10 and well below EV at PLO, but ran well at 2/5. 1/3 was somewhere in between.

All in all pretty happy, although I know I have room for improvement in 2020.

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Old 12-22-2019, 01:28 AM   #24705
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May as well since the year is pretty much over (thankfully). This is a mix of PLO (1/2 and 5/5/15 5-card) and 0.25/0.5 - 5/10/25 NLHE, mostly 1/3 & 2/5 NLHE and 1/2 5-card PLO. Doesn't include $2,500 in promos (or $2/hr. in comps obviously). Ran pretty poorly at 5/10 and well below EV at PLO, but ran well at 2/5. 1/3 was somewhere in between.

All in all pretty happy, although I know I have room for improvement in 2020.

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Old 12-22-2019, 03:55 AM   #24706
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I use Poker Income. Free trial then like $1, then $5 for filters (date, game, stake etc.). Well worth it.
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Old 12-22-2019, 04:19 AM   #24707
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Last 5 sessions:
+$2800 ($2/$3)
+$1700 ($5/$5/$10)
+$1100 ($5/$5)
+$2200 ($5/$5/$10)
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Old 12-22-2019, 07:19 AM   #24708
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May as well since the year is pretty much over (thankfully). This is a mix of PLO (1/2 and 5/5/15 5-card) and 0.25/0.5 - 5/10/25 NLHE, mostly 1/3 & 2/5 NLHE and 1/2 5-card PLO. Doesn't include $2,500 in promos (or $2/hr. in comps obviously). Ran pretty poorly at 5/10 and well below EV at PLO, but ran well at 2/5. 1/3 was somewhere in between.

All in all pretty happy, although I know I have room for improvement in 2020.

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Only 52% winning sessions but overall winning? Interesting. I say that cause mine is low too with a similar hourly. I guess you have a stop loss which caps your losses?

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Nice. LAG or just flopping a set every new dealer?
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Old 12-22-2019, 09:32 AM   #24709
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Nice. LAG or just flopping a set every new dealer?
It was a really good game for one which is why I was sitting in the $2/$3 the whole night. I also play super LAG (probably had about 80% VPIP this session) and my favorite dealer also sat down and literally dealt me the winner every single hand of her down, or at least good enough cards to bluff big and take the pot down which is basically getting dealt the winner. No she's not a mechanic but she might as well be the way I've run with her over time. I had a nice pot too where this player who just endlessly tilts against me overbet slammed his rack all in on the turn after I check called the flop with a set of aces, had him drawing dead. I actually stacked that same player with a turned house in my last session but it was just such a bad table I couldn't put a profit together otherwise. I would have gotten up but he was stuck like $3k in that game and I was thinking I could get him to tilt off more to me but I just couldn't hit hands all night and the table was otherwise very reg heavy. My plan for the session basically backfired as I managed to put him on monkey tilt with the first hand we played but then I wasn't catching hands, couldn't get into another pot with him, and then just lost small-medium pot after small-medium pot all night to the regs at the table as he fed everyone else.

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Old 12-22-2019, 03:31 PM   #24710
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Here's my year roll up as part time rec player.

Online Cash: $19319
Online Tournaments: $6272
Live Cash: $13400
Live Tournaments: -$2790

Clearly I should spend more of my time in live tourneys.
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Old 12-22-2019, 04:30 PM   #24711
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Only 52% winning sessions but overall winning? Interesting. I say that cause mine is low too with a similar hourly. I guess you have a stop loss which caps your losses?
Yes, I generally don't lose more than $1k in a session, but if I do I just quit. I don't feel the need to chase my losses or get out of the hole at that point. Some people relentlessly play longer to get unstuck, but not me. I just decide it's not my night and head home. I definitely try to abide by the "minimax" concept (minimize loses, maximize wins).

Doug Polk in his Postle video explained that even top/elite players only have around a 54/55% winrate. I think people who have higher winrates are probably just manipulating their results artificially (or sit in extremely soft/passive/low variance games).
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Old 12-22-2019, 05:41 PM   #24712
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Doug Polk in his Postle video explained that even top/elite players only have around a 54/55% winrate. I think people who have higher winrates are probably just manipulating their results artificially (or sit in extremely soft/passive/low variance games).
I really don’t think this is true.
60-70% is definitely attainable at most 2/5 games imo.
Doug Polk’s opinion is just his opinion.
I can almost guarantee the top 10-20% of winning players are easily over 60% wins over losses.
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Old 12-22-2019, 05:49 PM   #24713
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Maybe that just changes as you move up into the nosebleeds then. Obviously he was talking about the highest stakes, so it may not apply to us.
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Old 12-22-2019, 05:51 PM   #24714
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Yes, I generally don't lose more than $1k in a session, but if I do I just quit. I don't feel the need to chase my losses or get out of the hole at that point. Some people relentlessly play longer to get unstuck, but not me. I just decide it's not my night and head home. I definitely try to abide by the "minimax" concept (minimize loses, maximize wins).

Doug Polk in his Postle video explained that even top/elite players only have around a 54/55% winrate. I think people who have higher winrates are probably just manipulating their results artificially (or sit in extremely soft/passive/low variance games).
That's insane. I always thought 2/3 winning sessions was standard for LLSNL but I guess once you move up to a point where 5 bb/hr is "crushing", it's a lot different.

But I guess in our cases, stop losses mean that even though we lose more often than the average reg, we win way more than we lose.

As an aside, I don't think stop losses are necessarily good if one is planning to move up stakes. Maybe while taking a shot sure but certainly not right before doing that at the lower stake. I feel like in that case, one must train to play through the pain.
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Old 12-22-2019, 06:12 PM   #24715
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Why would anyone think Doug Polk is an expert in anything having to due with low to mid stakes games? When's the last time he put in 1000 hours of 1/2 or 2/5? Or even 5/10?

2/3 winning sessions is very obtainable for top players at 5/10 and below. Not that session win % is anything to be really gauging a whole lot on. You should never be trying to raise or lower that number....but at the end of the year its interesting to look at.
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Old 12-22-2019, 06:19 PM   #24716
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Here's my year roll up as part time rec player.

Online Cash: $19319
Online Tournaments: $6272
Live Cash: $13400
Live Tournaments: -$2790

Clearly I should spend more of my time in live tourneys.
Well played Spy!
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Old 12-22-2019, 10:11 PM   #24717
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Old 12-22-2019, 11:06 PM   #24718
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Here's my year roll up as part time rec player.

Online Cash: $19319
Online Tournaments: $6272
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Live Tournaments: -$2790

Clearly I should spend more of my time in live tourneys.
Nice work Spy! What kind of volume did this require?
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Old 12-22-2019, 11:08 PM   #24719
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Tentative results for 2019:

Won $4059.29 over 333.6 hours. About half and half $1/2 NLHE and PLO.

Terrible volume this year after our home game folded Not a terrible year in terms of winnings though.

I doubt I'll be able to play before the end of the year due to family commitments, unless I can get over to one of the Florida Dog Tracks. But I'm starting 2020 off in Vegas so hopefully that'll jumpstart things.
This reminds me of my 2018 volume. Some years are just like that I guess. 6+ BB/hr is solid work though, congrats and thanks for sharing.
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Old 12-22-2019, 11:10 PM   #24720
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I'm also probably not gonna have many chances to play before the end of the year, so:
NLH (almost entirely 2/5): 216 hours, $4515 winnings
PLO (almost entirely 5/10): 168 hours, $19,484 winnings
Definitely didn't play enough hours, ran super hot in PLO / pretty terrible in NLH, but overall happy with the year
Thanks for sharing. Your yearly results are consistently impressive IMO. I'm sure we've played together before. Good to know who to look out for. That PLO is just insane. I really need to learn that game. My hours are so limited though, it just makes me want to stay in the comfort zone and just move up until I can't win.
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Old 12-22-2019, 11:13 PM   #24721
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May as well since the year is pretty much over (thankfully). This is a mix of PLO (1/2 and 5/5/15 5-card) and 0.25/0.5 - 5/10/25 NLHE, mostly 1/3 & 2/5 NLHE and 1/2 5-card PLO. Doesn't include $2,500 in promos (or $2/hr. in comps obviously). Ran pretty poorly at 5/10 and well below EV at PLO, but ran well at 2/5. 1/3 was somewhere in between.

All in all pretty happy, although I know I have room for improvement in 2020.

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This bottom line was my poker fantasy when I started reading to improve my game. The obvious catch is that there's no way I can put in 2k+ hours a year. So the $50k on the side remains a fantasy. Nice work though and thanks for sharing. I plan on logging a few more sessions before posting my results.
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Old 12-22-2019, 11:27 PM   #24722
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This bottom line was my poker fantasy when I started reading to improve my game. The obvious catch is that there's no way I can put in 2k+ hours a year. So the $50k on the side remains a fantasy. Nice work though and thanks for sharing. I plan on logging a few more sessions before posting my results.
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Old 12-22-2019, 11:31 PM   #24723
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Nice work Spy! What kind of volume did this require?
About 700hrs online.
I usually have a tourney running in the background when I play cash. Also helps I can play on my phone so am not limited to sitting down at my laptop.

Around 100hrs live.
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About 700hrs online.
I usually have a tourney running in the background when I play cash. Also helps I can play on my phone so am not limited to sitting down at my laptop.

Around 100hrs live.
Thanks. Is that a typo? Wow, 13k in less than 100 hrs live is crazy to me.
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Old 12-23-2019, 12:31 AM   #24725
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This reminds me of my 2018 volume. Some years are just like that I guess. 6+ BB/hr is solid work though, congrats and thanks for sharing.
Yea, I had gotten into a pattern of playing 2-3 6ish hour sessions of home game PLO a week for over a year. Super convenient location and times. When that game folded the switch back to Going to a casino was just VERY inconvenient. But NLHE is so stupidly easy after PLO.
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