All of the hours were logged in Florida and Vegas, with the vast majority being played at places with a 200bb max buy-in. Looking forward to keeping the tracking going.

So I used the pokerdope variance calc and according to that, the odds of breaking even over 500 hrs (15000 hands) with a 12bb/hr winrate is 0.05%. I used a 150bb/100 standard dev. Got that number from Ryan Fee's estimates of live variance. Odds are the same for having a 24bb/hr win rate

I grind LA. Always hear it's softer than other places, but I really think that's exaggerated. For example, my 1k cap 5/5 game from Sunday had me and two other full time pros in it. There was a hand full of BE middle-aged types, and maybe just one person with zero clue. I wish I had other places to compare my experience to, but the only other places I've played were Venitian and Aria. I can say that the Aria games were pretty ****ty, but what I saw at Venitian didn't really differ greatly from what I see at the Bicycle on a regular basis. Furthermore, the Euro infestation here seems to get slightly worse every day. I mean, on average, it seems like ~8% of the playerpool here is made of foreign grinders. So sure, if you table select and only play Friday and Saturday nights, you might be able to beat $75/hr, but if you're putting in full-time hours, that's basically impossible.

Finally, @Typesick... really really, really fantastic results. Almost unbelievable, I'd say. It could be that I'm just jealous, but if your results continue and can somehow be verified, I'd pay you a handsome hourly for coaching.

Put me in the jealous camp as well. Great job man. I don’t think I could pull those numbers off if I got to get my cards out of the muck and play the river whenever I wanted.

Marsh

My bad. I know you've talked about L.A. 5/10 games and win rates in those games so I thought thats where you were.

I did see a few Euro pro looking guys when I was in L.A. not long ago, but the games I played in were so donk infested I couldnt believe my eyes. Just about every table had 4-5 Asians gambling it up. It was total insanity compared to my nit infested games.

And I never played past 8-9PM or on the weekend.

That's impressive for 2/5. Pretty insane heater for 500 hours.

What style do you play? What types of hands do you attribute most of your winrate to?

As other noted, this winrate is very likely the be unsustainable for 2/5 in the long run. Realistically even the best players can only make around $70/hr. at 2/5. But it's still nice to run well.

Where'd ya play at?

I just play the style I feel would be the most profitable at any given table and against any given opponent. It varies tremendously and I definitely go super exploitative at times. Most hands I play are value based but I will absolutely pound pots with whatever when ranges are defined. I have an extensive background in online 6m, so I’m sure I have significantly more experience navigating tough spots than over 99% or 2/5 players.

Commerce
Bike
Hawaiian Gardens
Hollywood Park

I played a few sessions at each place and changed tables a few times to get a good sample of how the rooms played. Of the 4 rooms, The Bike was the toughest game I was in by far. If the games there tend to be like the one I was in, I would never play there if I was you. Commerce and Hollywood Park were complete donk fests.

Lol, most of my time is at the Bike. The 500 cap games are obviously softer, but I'm transitioning to 5/10, so I really don't see how playing with the worst players on the planet will condition me for higher stakes. For what it's worth, my hourly @ bike is higher than the other 5/5 games. The deeper buy in helps with that imo. Also, with such a high drop, playing bigger pots helps overcome the house.

What are they dropping at Commerce and the Bike these days?

For those of you thinking about moving to LA to make 10-20bbs hourly playing 5/5 and/or 5/10 please promise me you wont be upset if certain posters are exaggerating the softness of the games.

Typesick -> As far as results effecting your ability to play you may want to try recording your sessions but not looking at the overall results. That way, in case you want to see a bigger sample you can without seeing certain data points and making it effect your play.

Any chance you post any HH's of you getting out of line deep without giving away too much of your strat?

Would you rather play T/25 with GTO european pokerstars robots or T/25 with the wealthy business men/gambly rich asians/1 other pro in the game....

I can tell you both games players are very different, but the amount of aggression is present and the population thought processes in regards to thin value and bluff catching (even if the recs don't know wtf those terms even are) are about the same, just one side of the aisle is playing chronically worse.

It's best for your winrate to play against the worst people possible with the most money lol.

Game selection is imperative to the preservation of one's winrate and bankroll.

I am not a fan at all of broad sweeping generalizations. Why do people think 70 is the cap. I have not played in a while but my long term w/r playing in some not ossum games is well over 50. I play well but I know there are dudes out there that are smarter, work harder, and think about the game at a significantly deeper level.

I have logged an absolute ton of hours am friendly and quite observant. I have played and befriended a couple of dudes who blew my mind. They both claimed w/r that were over your stated max. I had zero issues believing them.

^ I think a large factor is the max buy-in.
For a 2/5 game with a 150-200bb cap, I can easily believe that the most elite players could rake in $100+ an hour. The thing that makes a really high WR in my game is that the cap is 100bb. In that structure I feel like $70+ an hour is almost impossible long term.

This discussion has come up periodically, and I think that win-rate scales with the average stack in the game a LOT more than it scales with the blinds. Especially when we're talking about a live game with non-professionals.

I think wr scales with the number of whales dumping on a weekly basis.

What years did they/you beat games for that high of an hourly? How deep were the games and where if you don't mind saying?

No disrespect to Squid, but one thing is for sure. There's no debate. The games are tougher now that they were in the past. So while Im sure Squid would still do well, he most likely would not win at the same rate as he did in the past.

I dont think $70/hr is the cap at 2/5 though. In fact Id bet a lot of money that's its not.

Are you agreeing with squid or disagreeing with squid? So the cap is lower than 70 or more?

^I very confidently feel that max buy-in/average stack is the most impacting factor on WR (beside the quality a play given Hero and V’s are, of course).
So a 2/5 with a 200bb max buy-in would be far more profitable than 100bb.
I’m guessing my WR would jump 30-35% if I could play a 200bb max buy regularly.
It’s honestly instantly noticeable for me how much faster I win when I’m at 150-200bb+ instead of just 100bb. All the correct decisions at 100bb are often straightforward, to the point where it can feel tedious.

2/5 with a 100bb cap a WR of $70 long term would be incredibly impressive.

2/5 with a 200bb cap a WR of $100+ long term I believe is definitely achievable by the cream of the crop type player.

My winrate at 2/5 NL is $75.16/hr (for realz) so story checks out.

But I've only played 1 session / 95 minutes.

GexpertG

Clearly average stacksize makes a gigantic difference in achievable winrate. Maybe even more so than skill. I mostly play a 5-5 where the max buyin is 2.5k or 500bb, and i'd say the average stack is around 1500.

I have ~400 hrs in my current database and im at €76,06/hr (I broke my previous phone which had ~700 hours recorded on it, winning i think around €60/hr in that sample). I'm also reasonably sure there are bigger winners than me in this game.

On the current sample i played seven 5k+ pots (1000+ bb's). I chopped one, lost one and won 5. If you do some quick math, you'll know that 1) i'm a luckbox who runs really well, and 2) around 1/3 of my profit over this current sample comes from these 7 pots.

So it seems highly likely that if i was playing in a 100bb max game, I would be winning <€50/hr. I guess i run good in that way also .

Higher...depending on a number of factors.

If you only play Mon-Fri during the daytime at Aria, its lower than $70.

If you play most of your hours after 6PM at Hollywood Park or at Harrahs in New Orleans...its higher than $70.

If you play at most any room in S. Florida from Thanksgiving-Easter the cap is higher than $70. If you play at most rooms in S. Florida from Easter-Thanksgiving, the cap is lower.